Louisville Post game thread (should be fun)

[irishff1014]

I may have already said this cuz I was pretty drunk last night but MF has allowed Ohio St to beat us 3 weeks in a row. We survived miraculously last week and we didn't last night. I was really rooting for him to be successful. I just don't see it happening

100% correct

 

[NDFAN2008]

Problem is if Freeman isn’t the answer then who is? I don’t think Fickel would be any better and is recruiting isn’t lighting the world on fire at Wisconsin.

 

[irishff1014]

Problem is if Freeman isn’t the answer then who is? I don’t think Fickel would be any better and is recruiting isn’t lighting the world on fire at Wisconsin.

An offensive minded guy.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Problem is if Freeman isn’t the answer then who is? I don’t think Fickel would be any better and is recruiting isn’t lighting the world on fire at Wisconsin.

Kalen deboer would be one, bring his OC

 

[Free Manera]

I’m not quitting on Freeman yet it’s too early. The admin needs to quit being jerkoffs about public perception of spending on football and give a full war chest to Freeman. Let him get whatever assistants and analysts he wants.

 

[jpachuta33]

I’m not quitting on Freeman yet it’s too early. The admin needs to quit being jerkoffs about public perception of spending on football and give a full war chest to Freeman. Let him get whatever assistants and analysts he wants.

Exactly... but do you ever foresee them ever doing so? Because I don't...

 

[Irishdrunk]

Problem is if Freeman isn’t the answer then who is? I don’t think Fickel would be any better and is recruiting isn’t lighting the world on fire at Wisconsin.

Absolutely, Fickel was the obvious better hire. Wisconsin recruiting vs. ND is different. I don't see Fickel doing some of the fucking dumbass shit Freeman has done.

Regardless, you hire with the better track record. Honestly, I think Swarbrick already knew he could oversee Freeman and get him cheaper than Fickel- who was already a proven HC. It comes down to that.

 

[mrmcgrail]

I live in Wisconsin fickell isn't setting the world on fire here. Those 24 points put up on Rutgers isn't wowing anyone

 

[PutuporShutup]

Absolutely, Fickel was the obvious better hire. Wisconsin recruiting vs. ND is different. I don't see Fickel doing some of the fucking dumbass shit Freeman has done.

Regardless, you hire with the better track record. Honestly, I think Swarbrick already knew he could oversee Freeman and get him cheaper than Fickel- who was already a proven HC. It comes down to that.

Honestly just think it was image and jack not prepared for Kelly to leave before the bowl game or any time and he panicked instead of waiting for the right hire potentially meaning no new HC for a pretty big bowl game.

 

[Terry Jillery]

Absolutely, Fickel was the obvious better hire. Wisconsin recruiting vs. ND is different. I don't see Fickel doing some of the fucking dumbass shit Freeman has done.

Regardless, you hire with the better track record. Honestly, I think Swarbrick already knew he could oversee Freeman and get him cheaper than Fickel- who was already a proven HC. It comes down to that.

He also knew that he wouldn’t have to face the music if he failed since he’s done. He won’t be held accountable, but he is responsible. Instead Pete will have to do the dirty work.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Honestly just think it was image and jack not prepared for Kelly to leave before the bowl game or any time and he panicked instead of waiting for the right hire potentially meaning no new HC for a pretty big bowl game.

That could be. He could have a dozen reasons to justify the hire. But ND should always just fucking reset and do a true National search instead of worrying about a coach for the Bowl game or the impending class.

 

[Irishdrunk]

I live in Wisconsin fickell isn't setting the world on fire here. Those 24 points put up on Rutgers isn't wowing anyone

Fair enough but he hasn't single handedly contributed to two losses, has he?

I think with ND's platform a decent effort should get you a Top 15 - 20 class every year regardless. So Freeman has done better than average on recruiting. I think Fickel could land a Top 15 class at ND. But these coaching mistakes are so, so costly.

Its also clear to me, a guy like Fickel would be more in charge of his assistants. He wouldn't be the type to have the AD hire the Assistants and would likely pound the table when the AD cheaped on him. This is why Freeman was perfect for Jack Swarbrick.

 

[Terry Jillery]

Fair enough but he hasn't single handedly contributed to two losses, has he?

I think with ND's platform a decent effort should get you a Top 15 - 20 class every year regardless. So Freeman has done better than average on recruiting. I think Fickel could land a Top 15 class at ND. But these coaching mistakes are so, so costly.

It’s also clear to me, a guy like Fickel would be more in charge of his assistants. He wouldn't be the type to have the AD hire the Assistants and would likely pound the table when the AD cheaped on him. This is why Freeman was perfect for Jack Swarbrick.

I’d say chances are nearly 100% that we’d be 5-1 if Fickell was the coach. Chances are close to 100% that we would’ve been 10-2 last season as well. If Elko was our coach I’d feel similar to Fickell. There is no way in hell Mike Elko loses to Marshall, Stanford, or Louisville with ND’s players.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I’d say chances are nearly 100% that we’d be 5-1 if Fickell was the coach. Chances are close to 100% that we would’ve been 10-2 last season as well. If Elko was our coach I’d feel similar to Fickell. There is no way in hell Mike Elko loses to Marshall, Stanford, or Louisville with ND’s players.

5-1 or better 10-2 or better

 

[NDFAN2008]

I’m not quitting on Freeman yet it’s too early. The admin needs to quit being jerkoffs about public perception of spending on football and give a full war chest to Freeman. Let him get whatever assistants and analysts he wants.

Agree 2000%

 

[mrmcgrail]

What was Cincinnatis record in the aac last year? 9-4 you just say stuff that you can't prove you have no idea what fickell would do if he was here

 

[DONTH8]

I’m not going to read through 300 posts right now. I think the biggest thing I saw last night was our team looks gassed. Even Alt was dragging. We looked tired the whole game. We miss Balis more than I think we realize. Our team desperately needs a bye week. And a top of the line strength and conditioning coach again. We need @Giddyup on the line right now.

 

[mrmcgrail]

Wisconsin with Phil Longo aren't a top 50 offense. Nd has a better scoring defense. They have played one decent team in wsu and got handled. Fickell is a good coach but he isn't some homerun hire where you are playing for titles. I'd rather boom or bust with freeman and actually let him get a decent oc and see what happens with his recruiting

 

[FWIrish4]

Some of you guys live in fantasyland. Everyone go to work Monday and come back with some new ideas.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Wisconsin with Phil Longo aren't a top 50 offense. Nd has a better scoring defense. They have played one decent team in wsu and got handled. Fickell is a good coach but he isn't some homerun hire where you are playing for titles. I'd rather boom or bust with freeman and actually let him get a decent oc and see what happens with his recruiting

You are missing the point. As a HC that already had a track record of 5 years as a HC and 14 more years of total coaching experience vs. a 35 year old non-experienced HC, two different hires.

Experience is hard to compensate for as we are clearly witnessing. Freeman was 35 when he took over. That is very, very young. Fickel already had a Top 10 finish and had 5 years of HC experience and had 11 more years of total coaching experience.

Fickel likely would have been more like Kelly - a HC with experience and have made demands that Freeman clearly isn't doing. Swarbrick clearly favored dealing with his protege in Freeman than bringing in what may be more akin to another Brian Kelly.

 

[Giddyup]

Stuckey only has two years as a wr coach. Maybe that wasn’t the best idea.?. Got to be some more experienced guys out there

 

[stpeteirish]

I’d say chances are nearly 100% that we’d be 5-1 if Fickell was the coach. Chances are close to 100% that we would’ve been 10-2 last season as well. If Elko was our coach I’d feel similar to Fickell. There is no way in hell Mike Elko loses to Marshall, Stanford, or Louisville with ND’s players.

Elko is a reasonable get for ND this off-season, Fickell is not. But nothing is happening barring a complete collapse.
And Elko will be off the market after this cycle I’m afraid

 

[mrmcgrail]

I'm not missing the point with fickell you are the same you are never going to win it. Freeman might fail he might not but there have been so many top coaches right now who went straight from coordinator to coach. He got fucked with the Parker hire

 

[Giddyup]

He picked Parker. There were other options on the universe

 

[forkbeard3777]

If Hartman ever slides feet first again he should be immediately benched… to slide feet first; tap defender on head then see him realize he was short AGAIN for the first was comical

Hartman’s sideline demeanor is concerning. He looks checked the fuck out. He came to ND to improve his draft stock and show that he could play in an offense that wasn’t just the “slow mesh.”

Well, the OC blows, the running game is bottled up, the offensive line has been meh at best against competition that isn’t a SWAC school or service academy, his best receiver (and he’s damn good — he’s arguably playing better than anyone on the entire team right now) is TE Mitchell Evans. It just isn’t clicking like we all thought it would.

 

[forkbeard3777]

He picked Parker. There were other options on the universe

This. No one held a gun to his head. There are other coaches out there than Ludwig.

 

[T-Boone]

I sense some panic with the beat writers as they must know that interest in what they offer will drop considerably for the rest of the year.

 

[Irishdrunk]

I sense some panic with the beat writers as they must know that interest in what they offer will drop considerably for the rest of the year.

And it won't be fixed next year. This is a systemic problem. Swarbrick hired a young inexperienced HC on the far gambit that charisma will carry the day. That Freeman will work for him in an easier manner than an experienced HC like Kelly.

Freeman is no Fickel. He won't make demands of Swarbrick, much less his staff. He is too amiable and not ambitious enough to take the true reigns of a program like Notre Dame at the age of 35 years old. The hire was an exercise in hopeful folly with zero track record for the decision.

 

[stlnd01]

And it won't be fixed next year. This is a systemic problem. Swarbrick hired a young inexperienced HC on the far gambit that charisma will carry the day. That Freeman will work for him in an easier manner than an experienced HC like Kelly.

Freeman is no Fickel. He won't make demands of Swarbrick, much less his staff. He is too amiable and not ambitious enough to take the true reigns of a program like Notre Dame at the age of 35 years old. The hire was an exercise in hopeful folly with zero track record for the decision.

Wait, you’re not a fan of the Freeman hire? Who knew.

 

[T-Boone]

So Jordan Faison should get promoted from PWO to scholarship. 2 catches as a freshman and a TD. Is he faster than the others?