L O S T

[SouthernIrish]

i think he'll be Radiation Man when he grows up.

a crossover show with HEROS. that would be cool

 

[WeisWeisBaby]

So... SouthernIrish, what are you doing tonight? Would you be up for maybe watching some T.V., maybe a family classic like Lost?

 

[SoCalDomer]

she's married and has kids in college; your love for Omar has blinded you badly.


(not that young guys can't pick-up on you SI, just giving him the facts.)

 

[WeisWeisBaby]

I've given up on Omar..... so , SoCalDomer, how are YOOOUUUU doing?

 

[SouthernIrish]

I have kids in college but I am divorced, SoCal

My ex is a Michigan grad so another helpful dating hint.

Don't marry anyone you meet on spring break

 

[SoCalDomer]

well, then, let the LoveConnection begin.

just not in here. the way weisweis baby said "how you doin", kinda creeped me out.

 

[WeisWeisBaby]

(refocus energy back towards SouthernIrish) - So, how are you doing tonight Southern Irish? I can't stand Michigan grads, how many kids do you have? Boys, Girls?

(refocus energy back to LOST) I think tonight someone dies.

 

[SouthernIrish]

is SoCal the chaperone

I have two sons, freshman at Alabama and a junior at West Virginia. I also have a sort of foster son, 6 years old but that was a long sad story that has ended well.

I am dating a soccer coach/businessman which has gone great until he started talking about marriage. that's going to mess up everything


I think a LOT of people die on LOST but I think they will time travel back and fix it.

 

[WeisWeisBaby]

SouthernIrish, you had me until you didn't want to get married. It will never work, there just isn't enough room in my life for myself, someone else, AND omar hunter.

 

[SouthernIrish]

SouthernIrish, you had me until you didn't want to get married. It will never work, there just isn't enough room in my life for myself, someone else, AND omar hunter.

and Omar would take up QUITE a bit of room

 

[IrishRamMan10]

wtf has this thread turned in to...

 

[SouthernIrish]

wtf has this thread turned in to...

it got L O S T

but now is found. time to turn on the teevee

 

[notredomer23]

lost has been pretty good so far

 

[WeisWeisBaby]

Lost is sooooo cool

 

[phork]

Some guy posted a theory over at thefuselage.com in regards to he believes that they are under the North Pole.

Search wikipedia for Hollow Earth, and Viral Vorteces. Its really quite good.

 

[SoCalDomer]

some thoughts on this latest episode

1) It takes 40 minutes to move the island 12 hours! I know I complain too much about the speed, but this is frustratingly slow. I should know by now it's not gonna change.

2) The Lostie Interrogation pattern was in full effect. twice during the episode, key questions were asked and once again, a butterfly flying by distracted them from getting the answer. When Jack asked Daniel what their primary purpose was, "Hey look, is that a rabbit over there," and viola, the question goes unanswered and the interrogation ends. when Locke was about to get answers, he let's Ben again play his mind games and is satisfied in not getting answers.

3) Confusing story line - Ben says he has someone on their boat, and thus he knows who is coming. That doesn't make logistical sense. Ben has not had communication with the outside world since the Flame station (where Patchy was) was blown up by Locke. He has not had contact with his group for at least 3-5 days, when he left them to stop Jack from calling the boat. So, he has had too few days to discover that a ship was out there looking for the island, too few days to get a spy on the boat, and no way to be in contact with the spy on the boat to get info. But, i think his story about the spy makes sense, because he spilled way too much correct info abou the redhaired parachuter to not have inside info.

4) The identity of the people on the boat appears to be the new Dharma group, trying to retake the island. first, the redhaired parachuter finds a dharma tag around the remains of the polar bear during her flashback where they're excavating in the desert. she recognizes it. also, the mission was to find Ben Linus, who killed all the Dharma people and staged a coup on this island. Kinda makes sense why they want to find him, interrogate him and remove him from power.

But what doesn't make sense is why they're using the discovery of the plane crash as the cover story to retake the island. Why did they wait at least 16 years to retake the island? (remember Ben kidnapped Alex 16 years ago, must have been after the coup)

And why did the use these people to go find Ben? A ghostbuster, a pilot, a physicist, an acrheologist and Naomi, the only trained military person are going to retake the island?

5) Did you see Ben's face when he realized Hurley knew about the cabin!?!

 

[MirageSmack]

I tried watching, but I was "Lost" too. It didn't help that year that they showed a re-run every other week.

On a related note, I went to school with William MaPother, who plays bad guy Ethan. His cousin, Tom Cruise, also went to my school, ST Xavier. In fact, he delivered newspapers in my hood in his grade school years.

Is Ethan still on the show? I watch maybe an hour each season but never see him. I tried again last night, and was totally clueless again.

 

[SoCalDomer]

Etahn was killed in season one. But, he's made many an appearence since in the flashbacks.

My favorite scene of him is during one of Juliet's flashbacks. She is taken by sub to the island, and when they arrive, Ethan is standing at the bottom of the stairway to climb out. He points up with his finger and has a funny look on his face. Almost like he's saying, "Smell my finger." The fact he is a doctor makes it even funnier.

 

[WeisWeisBaby]

I think SoCal Domer was a little harsh.. they did answer why there were there, it was to get Ben.

The reason it takes a whole episode it only go through 12 hours is because of the story line, something is always happening and there are not long days where nothing significant isn't happening, especially now.

If you also remember, this island is not easy to find. This might be the reason it took so long to not only discover that the whole Dharma team was killed, but also to gather the resources to get another mission together to go out there. They knew about Desmond, but they had NO IDEA that there were survivors left on the island. The reason they must have known about Desmond was because he worked in the hatch long ago.

I don't think there is ANY confusion in the story line, I think Ben has known about this "boat" for quite some time and he has had info on them for a long time, and has had a spy on the boat for a long time.

 

[SoCalDomer]

I think SoCal Domer was a little harsh.. they did answer why there were there, it was to get Ben.

I will give them credit, by the end of the episode, they did answer that major question.

If you also remember, this island is not easy to find. This might be the reason it took so long to not only discover that the whole Dharma team was killed, but also to gather the resources to get another mission together to go out there. They knew about Desmond, but they had NO IDEA that there were survivors left on the island. The reason they must have known about Desmond was because he worked in the hatch long ago.

Ok, wait, Ben's coup was over 16 years ago (Alex is 16 years old, Ben kidnapped her when she was a young baby and had to be after the coup). If you were running strange and bizarre experiments on a remote island, you would know how to find that island.

Now, it is possible that these people are not in fact the old Dharma, but are rather a new company that knows about Dharma and is investigating what Dharma used to do, or is still doing. In fact, that idea sounds more plausible than my initial thought that this was old Dharma.

The way that redhaired archeologist looked at the dharma symbol on the tag around the polar bear remains is evidence she's familiar with Dharma.

But what doesn't make sense is the continued Dharma food drops. If Dharma believed they still controlled this island (evidenced by the continued food drops) then why haven't they been sending any new people, or planning any new projects? I don't know, these are just curious things i miagine they may never answer.

Also, Desmond's back story places him on the island roughly three years ago, and by accident. No way, he has been in that hatch for a long time, otherwise there would be no picture of him and Penny, no boat race, etc. No way did he work for Dharma before.

I believe the reason they know about him is because 1) he went missing a few years ago in that region, the same region the Oceanic plane went down, and 2) Widmore (Penny's dad) may have some connection with this new group looking for the island. This is consistent with my theory that the new company is investigating clues connecting Dharma's old projects.

I don't think there is ANY confusion in the story line, I think Ben has known about this "boat" for quite some time and he has had info on them for a long time, and has had a spy on the boat for a long time.

It's not so much confusion as it is there's not enough time for him to have learned that much info. Maybe there's an explanation, but my first reaction is it doesn't fit well.

But, again, a long time is not possible. The Losties have been on this island roughly 90-120 days. I will re-watch last nights' episode to get an idea of when the discovery of the "wreckage" occurred. But I get the impression the "wreckage" (note the news report showed fake wreckage, hence the helicopter pilot calling Oceanic saying that's not the pilot, plus we know the front of the plane is on the island and the rear section splashed down in shallow water!) was found recently. Thus this team could not have been put together until after the wreckage was found. The team was put together only recently (recall the meeting with Naomi and the agent who also visited Hurley in the looney bin), then it was likely after the time that the Flame station (which was their only means of off island communication) was blown up.

Again, they may have an explanation, I'm just saying it doesn't seem plausible.

(weisweisbaby, don't take my criticisms of your criticisms of my ... you get the idea... the wrong way. i enjoy the back and forth discussion of this. just beware i have a good memory of the details of this show. i just wish i could remember the things i want to remember. )

 

[WeisWeisBaby]

SoCal, I'm not taking anything personally... I think the best part of this show is actually talking about it.

I like your ideas about it a lot, but what I got from the episode last night is that all four of those people had flashforwards, not flashbacks, to what happened to the boat being rescued.

 

[SoCalDomer]

I like your ideas about it a lot, but what I got from the episode last night is that all four of those people had flashforwards, not flashbacks, to what happened to the boat being rescued.

that i don't follow at all. do you mean the 4 people (physicist guy, ghostbuster guy, redhaired lady, and Jerry Garcia pilot) who came to the island in last night's episode were flashforwards? those were clearly flash backs, showing how they got to be involved in the arrival at the island.

to show the confusion over Ben's comment about having a "man on the boat" here is a good argument why this doesn't work:

Let me preface this by saying that TPTB certainly could make it so that Michael (or Walt) is Ben's "man on the boat." But that if they did that, they'd be staring straight at one of two major continuity errors. Think about a couple of options:

A) Ben's Man on the Boat has been supplying him with constant updates on the freighter since the time that it launched.

or

B) Ben's Man on the Boat did provide him with comprehensive updates of the freighter people and their mission, up until Desmond turned the failsafe key and the sky turned purple, at which point no more communications came in to him.

Probably has to be A) or B), right? Either the communications kept coming in after Desmond turned the key, or they didn't.

Well, I think we can safely rule out A) for a number of reasons. Multiple scenes in S3 made it clear that "since the sky turned purple" they were having trouble communicating with the outside world. Ben had the Looking Glassers jamming the signals off the island, and nothing else was getting through on the island. PLUS, it took a cowardly Bernard spilling the beans about the Losties' plan for Ben to even become aware of the fact that Naomi had come to the island. Now unless Ben's inside man had a change of loyalties or zero concept of what was important information (Where Charlotte went to college? Check. Someone is coming to hunt you down? Meh.), this would seem to definitively rule out option A). Whatever information Ben had from his inside man, he had to get it before Desmond turned the key. Option B). Whatever Ben knows about the people on the freighter, he knew right when he stood on the pier and the sky turned purple.

Of course, the pesky little problem with Option B) is that Desmond turned the key before Michael and Walt even left the island. Honest. There's no way Michael could have been on that boat at all to gather and then inform Ben of the various vital statistics of his supposed rescuers.

It just doesn't fit with the timeline. Michael cannot be Ben's man on the boat, unless TPTB have completely lost track of their own story.

that was from a Lost webboard. (now look what happened, I ended up back there again!)

The point of that person's post is that there is continuity problem with outside communication. But, Ben shared major info, so I am completely lost (ha, pun intended) as to how he knew that much info about Charlotte, the red haired archeologist.

 

[WeisWeisBaby]

Because Charlotte is hot and any right minded guy would know everything about her, seems logical enough.

 

[SoCalDomer]

LOL, good answer. that must be it

 

[WeisWeisBaby]

Personally, I think the spy on the boat for Ben is none other than Omar Hunter, it would explain a lot about why he signed with the "others" two days ago.

 

[SouthernIrish]

Yes. I read on a premium board that Omar has been a silent commit to the Others for awhile.

 

[WeisWeisBaby]

What a great show last night, I can't wait till next Thursday when they answer one thing but raise 4 more questions.

 

[SoCalDomer]

holy frick. I just had to go back to the Lost board to find out if my continuity argument was shared by anyone. I made the mistake of logging on and now the peeps i used to laugh and joke with about the show spotted me... they're pulling me back, help me help me.

 

[SouthernIrish]

Go in! You can bring back what you learn in a condensed and easy to follow by blondes format!

 

[phork]

What are the chances that Mike Martin will land on the show?