Kyle Rudolph

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

The thread creator basically states teh way I feel about Mike Floyd... in all my years I have not seen another come close (Shark, Tate, Rocket,... anyone)

to each their own, but if Floyd can just stay healthy he has potential like no one who has ever worn the jersey as far as I can see...

BUT, a lot needs to happen before we start talking HOF for anyone not named Bus or Brown... these kids are just juniors in college... lol

Jeff Samardzija > Michael Floyd

 

[Riddickulous]

Jeff Samardzija > Michael Floyd

Samardzija was shut down by Michigan, USC, and LSU in 2006.

 

[GreatGolson]

Hey reggie have they asked for your trophy back yet?

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

Samardzija was shut down by Michigan, USC, and LSU in 2006.

Those were all elite defenses that year. Wasn't Glen Dorsey up for the Heisman? Sendric Ellis? Alan Branch?

DB's on all of those teams had All-Americans covering him with All-American d-lines getting at Quinn. Don't forget that UCLA defense was impressive as well and he made the winning play. This is too easy. UCLA had two d-line All Americans on that team.

How many teams can you say that about in regards to last years games? Stanford? Hell no. Boston College? Hell no. Navy? A big hell no. Michigan St? Hell no?

C'mon this is too easy. Samardzija caught everything you threw at him. Throw him a hitch and he gets 8 yards easy. Throw him a slant and he stiff arms db's into the turf.

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

Hey reggie have they asked for your trophy back yet?

Hey geatdayne, did it actually occur to you that there was a small chance I might not be the real reggie bush?

Dumbest shit I ever heard in a long time. Are you going to call my mother fat next?

 

[Riddickulous]

Hey geatdayne, did it actually occur to you that there was a small chance I might not be the real reggie bush?

Dumbest shit I ever heard in a long time. Are you going to call my mother fat next?

Somebody ban this troll.

 

[BGIF]

Hey geatdayne, did it actually occur to you that there was a small chance I might not be the real reggie bush?

Dumbest shit I ever heard in a long time. Are you going to call my mother fat next?

Actually the dumbest is posting under that name on an ND board.

Check your PMs.

 

[wakeuptheechoes]

ND has had some great TE's I remmeber all three mentioned here. Dave, Mark, and Ken all made some freat catches in there days at ND.

 

[IrishTimer]

Man I was liking you till the Gregg Olsen comparison LOL! Greg olsen is faster than KR but from a blocking stand point it is night and day.

Obviously......

Which is why I said Rudolph is "better overall"......

When he is on the field DC's KNOW he is running routes most of the time and if he is blocking he is just chipping.

Yeah, I know.

KR is a real tight end that just happens to be a gangster receiver . Shockey was one hell of a good TE for Miami though.

Yeah and Shockey is nowhere close to being a HOF'er in the NFL, and IMO Rudolph is not as good as Shockey was in college..so......See where this is going?

Bavaro is not a HOFer???

Why does the Football HOF keep out so many great players?

Why should Bavarro be in the HOF?

In 9 seasons he averaged 39rec 525yds and 4 TD's per year. Bavarro was a good TE but is no where near a HOF'er.

He had basically two really good seasons in the mid 80's and that was really it.

 

[DCirishfan]

Obviously......

Which is why I said Rudolph is "better overall"......



Yeah, I know.


Yeah and Shockey is nowhere close to being a HOF'er in the NFL, and IMO Rudolph is not as good as Shockey was in college..so......See where this is going?



Why should Bavarro be in the HOF?

In 9 seasons he averaged 39rec 525yds and 4 TD's per year. Bavarro was a good TE but is no where near a HOF'er.

He had basically two really good seasons in the mid 80's and that was really it.

OK proclaiming him a HOFer may be a little out there, but I think he will be a far better overall pro than shockey. Shockey could have been better IMO.

 

[Rocket89]

Those were all elite defenses that year. Wasn't Glen Dorsey up for the Heisman? Sendric Ellis? Alan Branch?

DB's on all of those teams had All-Americans covering him with All-American d-lines getting at Quinn. Don't forget that UCLA defense was impressive as well and he made the winning play. This is too easy. UCLA had two d-line All Americans on that team.

How many teams can you say that about in regards to last years games? Stanford? Hell no. Boston College? Hell no. Navy? A big hell no. Michigan St? Hell no?

C'mon this is too easy. Samardzija caught everything you threw at him. Throw him a hitch and he gets 8 yards easy. Throw him a slant and he stiff arms db's into the turf.

Shark has the benefit of the doubt because we've already seen his junior and senior seasons, and he's got some school records and all that.

Still, I have a hard time saying he's better than Floyd.

As already mentioned, Shark got shut down against great teams. And also, Floyd probably hasn't faced an elite defense yet.

So what does that leave us? Both players who played against roughly the same amount of compeition (Michigans, Navys, BC's, Purdues, etc.) and with how Floyd has produced as a freshman and sophomore, I don't see how he can't be considered better.

Basically, if Floyd had stayed healthy the past two seasons, he would have done (as a true frosh and soph) what Shark did as a junior and senior.

That's impressive.

 

[IrishTimer]

OK proclaiming him a HOFer may be a little out there, but I think he will be a far better overall pro than shockey. Shockey could have been better IMO.

Shockey coul dhave been better. He just never had it mentally.

 

[TheGoldRocket]

Kyle

Kyle

He is def, one of the most recognizable faces on the irish roster and will probaby be one of the sons of notre dame long after he is graduated, however like brady quinn and all irish players of the last 12 years, until he wins the big one, not nessacarly a national championship, but something of great importance, irish lore will eventually forget him

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

Shark has the benefit of the doubt because we've already seen his junior and senior seasons, and he's got some school records and all that.

Still, I have a hard time saying he's better than Floyd.

As already mentioned, Shark got shut down against great teams. And also, Floyd probably hasn't faced an elite defense yet.

So what does that leave us? Both players who played against roughly the same amount of compeition (Michigans, Navys, BC's, Purdues, etc.) and with how Floyd has produced as a freshman and sophomore, I don't see how he can't be considered better.

Basically, if Floyd had stayed healthy the past two seasons, he would have done (as a true frosh and soph) what Shark did as a junior and senior.

That's impressive.

"if Floyd stayed healthy"

You could say that about any great player. Staying healthy is part of the game. Being a great player also includes longevity otherwise they will not be great. It is actually a fault of Floyd that he cannot stay healthy.

What if Jordan was plagued with injuries for most of his career? What if Drew Brees never came back from his shoulder surgery? Grant Hill, probably one of the best players as far as talent and his career is tainted due to injuries.

 

[KPENN]

Jeff Samradzija
Stats Overview Receiving Rushing Fumbles
YEAR REC YDS AVG LNG TD
2004 17 274 16.1 41 0
2005 77 1249 16.2 80 15
2006 78 1017 13.0 51 12

Career stats
RECEPTIONS YDS TOUCHDOWNS
172 2,540 27


Michael Floyd

YEAR REC YDS AVG LNG TD
2008 48 719 15.0 51 7
2009 44 795 18.1 88 9

CAREER STATS
RECEPTIONS YDS TOUCHDOWNS
92 1,514 16


Floyd's first 2 years were a bit better then the Sharks. To pass him in every major catergory he needs 81 catches. 1,026 yards and 11 TD's. If he stays healthy he should pass him, but thats been a problem for floyd.

 

[Rocket89]

"if Floyd stayed healthy"

You could say that about any great player. Staying healthy is part of the game. Being a great player also includes longevity otherwise they will not be great. It is actually a fault of Floyd that he cannot stay healthy.

What if Jordan was plagued with injuries for most of his career? What if Drew Brees never came back from his shoulder surgery? Grant Hill, probably one of the best players as far as talent and his career is tainted due to injuries.

Yeah it's a knock on Floyd that he can't stay healthy. But in the same vein, Floyd was dominating from the first time he stepped on the field, whereas we didn't even know who Shark was his first two seasons.

So, doesn't Floyd get credit for longevity since he's been an elite receiver since his freshman year? Shark had a nice career and everything, but he wasn't exactly a poster child for longevity.

Even if Floyd doesn't stay healthy and misses 4 games a year (and doesn't turn pro early) he'll still have played almost a full season worth of games more than Shark.

And I imagine the statistics will be heavily in Floyd's favor too.

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

You can blame Willingham for not playing him either. He was second string to Shelton. I thought Shelton was a great undersized player but he was not first string material. Willingham got some great players but simply did not know how to maximize his talent.

 

[NDinLA is a TROLL]

Yeah it's a knock on Floyd that he can't stay healthy. But in the same vein, Floyd was dominating from the first time he stepped on the field, whereas we didn't even know who Shark was his first two seasons.

So, doesn't Floyd get credit for longevity since he's been an elite receiver since his freshman year? Shark had a nice career and everything, but he wasn't exactly a poster child for longevity.

Even if Floyd doesn't stay healthy and misses 4 games a year (and doesn't turn pro early) he'll still have played almost a full season worth of games more than Shark.

And I imagine the statistics will be heavily in Floyd's favor too.

Once Floyd proves he can will his team to a big victory, he we be in my mind better than Shark. Off the top of my head, the play that really sticks out is the last play vs UCLA where Shark willed his team to a victory over the bruins. I cannot say the same for Floyd.

Name a play that cements Floyd as being great. Same with Crabtree when he caught that pass against Texas. It is those kinds of plays that will cement his legacy. The teams they win against will also have a role in it. Showing greatness against a shity Nevada team does not count. LOL

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

Yeah it's a knock on Floyd that he can't stay healthy. But in the same vein, Floyd was dominating from the first time he stepped on the field, whereas we didn't even know who Shark was his first two seasons.

So, doesn't Floyd get credit for longevity since he's been an elite receiver since his freshman year? Shark had a nice career and everything, but he wasn't exactly a poster child for longevity.

Even if Floyd doesn't stay healthy and misses 4 games a year (and doesn't turn pro early) he'll still have played almost a full season worth of games more than Shark.
And I imagine the statistics will be heavily in Floyd's favor too.

I see what you're getting at, but no. Shark played in 12 games in '03, '04, and '05 and then played in 13 games in '06. He had receiving yards of 53, 274, 1249, and 1017 respectively in those seasons. If Floyd goes for over 1,000 this season, he could pass Shark in total yardage, but in games played...no.

Floyd hasn't played a full season yet (11 games in '08, and 7 in '09), whereas Shark played in every game for four seasons. I think the "longevity" question mark for Floyd is a valid one. Using Shark as a comparison is not fair in that regard. Futhermore, Shark was a two sport athlete, so durability and the ability to stay healthy were not an issue for him.

 

[IrishTimer]

Once Floyd proves he can will his team to a big victory, he we be in my mind better than Shark. Off the top of my head, the play that really sticks out is the last play vs UCLA where Shark willed his team to a victory over the bruins. I cannot say the same for Floyd.

Name a play that cements Floyd as being great. Same with Crabtree when he caught that pass against Texas. It is those kinds of plays that will cement his legacy. The teams they win against will also have a role in it. Showing greatness against a shity Nevada team does not count. LOL

Huh? He caught an open pass and broke one arm tackle.

Shark had a really nice game and all but the guy who stick out in my mind as "willing" that team to victory was Brady Quinn who, after getting killed all day, still lead the game winning drive.

 

[Rocket89]

Once Floyd proves he can will his team to a big victory, he we be in my mind better than Shark. Off the top of my head, the play that really sticks out is the last play vs UCLA where Shark willed his team to a victory over the bruins. I cannot say the same for Floyd.

Name a play that cements Floyd as being great. Same with Crabtree when he caught that pass against Texas. It is those kinds of plays that will cement his legacy. The teams they win against will also have a role in it. Showing greatness against a shity Nevada team does not count. LOL

You have a point, but what was Shark's big play through his sophomore year?

The biggest thing Floyd has in his favor is that, durability aside, he's been dominant from the start.

Yes, Shark's play was great against UCLA, but I hardly think that's much a great moment in the grand scheme of Irish football. If I remember correctly the Bruins were more than a .500 team that year. It was a tremendous play to be sure, but way, way down the list of biggest plays in Irish history.

 

[Rocket89]

I see what you're getting at, but no. Shark played in 12 games in '03, '04, and '05 and then played in 13 games in '06. He had receiving yards of 53, 274, 1249, and 1017 respectively in those seasons. If Floyd goes for over 1,000 this season, he could pass Shark in total yardage, but in games played...no.

Floyd hasn't played a full season yet (11 games in '08, and 7 in '09), whereas Shark played in every game for four seasons. I think the "longevity" question mark for Floyd is a valid one. Using Shark as a comparison is not fair in that regard. Futhermore, Shark was a two sport athlete, so durability and the ability to stay healthy were not an issue for him.

Ok you're right that Shark played his first two year's, but he wasn't lightining it up like Floyd has been.

The longevity argument is good when you're actually producing. I don't think we should give Shark too much credit for catching a couple balls over his first two years.

 

[ACamp1900]

I love Shark, but he ain't even in the same league as Floyd... just my expert opinion.

 

[johnnykillz]

Apples and oranges here guys, like Nolan and Eckersley. Nolan was the man, but many kids like myself wanted to throw and fan batters with the dirty sidearm fastballs and screwballs Dennis threw. His command was glorious.

Nolan would kick Dennis's ass though, hands down. UFC style. Take that Robin Ventura.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

Ok you're right that Shark played his first two year's, but he wasn't lightining it up like Floyd has been.

The longevity argument is good when you're actually producing. I don't think we should give Shark too much credit for catching a couple balls over his first two years.

Okay, well now you're switching your argument to production over pure durability over games. Your original quote said Floyd would have at least a season's worth of games over Shark. Now you change your viewpoint a bit.

Is Floyd going to have a more prolific career then Jeff? Probably. However, his health is the caveat to his final statistics. He has shown, THUS FAR, to not be as durable as Shark. THAT was my point. I never said Shark lit it up more than Floyd. We'll see this year. Floyd needs to play a full season, no question about it. He needs to stay healthy this year. So far, he has shown he will be hard pressed to break some of Jeff's single season records. He will break many of his career records, but he will have a tough time breaking Jeff's 2005 records unless he stays healthy all year.

 

[KPENN]

Okay, well now you're switching your argument to production over pure durability over games. Your original quote said Floyd would have at least a season's worth of games over Shark. Now you change your viewpoint a bit.

Is Floyd going to have a more prolific career then Jeff? Probably. However, his health is the caveat to his final statistics. He has shown, THUS FAR, to not be as durable as Shark. THAT was my point. I never said Shark lit it up more than Floyd. We'll see this year. Floyd needs to play a full season, no question about it. He needs to stay healthy this year. So far, he has shown he will be hard pressed to break some of Jeff's single season records. He will break many of his career records, but he will have a tough time breaking Jeff's 2005 records unless he stays healthy all year.

Exactly. The best example I can think of with something like this is in hockey. Ask most knowlegable hockey fans who'd they'd rather have Peter Forsberg or Eric Lindros. People would say Forsberg, even though Lindros was the more explosive and exciting player he couldn't stay healthy. Same here. Floyd is the Lindross.

Untill Floyd puts together a full year I'd take The Shark in a heartbeat

 

[Rocket89]

Exactly. The best example I can think of with something like this is in hockey. Ask most knowlegable hockey fans who'd they'd rather have Peter Forsberg or Eric Lindros. People would say Forsberg, even though Lindros was the more explosive and exciting player he couldn't stay healthy. Same here. Floyd is the Lindross.

Untill Floyd puts together a full year I'd take The Shark in a heartbeat

Ahhh!! Eric Lindros is my favorite hockey player ever!!

The comparisons are similar, but I think it's different when we're talking about 4 years of college versus 8-12 years in the pros though.

I never started the argument that durability is key to success really. Yeah it's important, but I just think that when we look at Shark, yes he was durable, but he was only making plays for two years as an upperclassmen.

I hardly think that when we look back at his career 10 or 20 years from now that the durability issue will come up that much.

With Floyd it will if he can't stay healthy, but at this point like I said, regardless of injuries, Floyd is way ahead of the curve because he has produced as a freshman and sophomore.

And when I said Floyd will have played a season worth of games more than Shark, I meant that as in playing games AND producing.

If Floyd doesn't stay healthy and stays in school, we'll still get roughly 35 games of All-American talent.

Isn't that better than Shark's 26?

And if Lindros doesn't get into the Hall of Fame soon, I'm going to flip the F out.

 

[TheGoldRocket]

Kyle Rudolph, Micheal Floyd will not be remember in the long run unless they do something of importance, just winning the hawaii bowl wont cut it

 

[KPENN]

Kyle Rudolph, Micheal Floyd will not be remember in the long run unless they do something of importance, just winning the hawaii bowl wont cut it

That's kinda like saying the team that scores more points wins.

 

[TheGoldRocket]

what have they done that your going to remember them for? What great last second? (besides Purdue) and i mean come on, Purdue, are you going to remember them for?