Just dont get CFB rankings

[Bishop2b5]

I’ll ask you the same question since you believe (or agree) resume means nothing. If Bama’s WR had come down out of bounds last week at Auburn, would you still be advocating them to be ahead of FSU? Surely one play out of thousands in the season wouldn’t be the difference between them being better. So, would an 11-2 Bama deserve to be ahead of FSU? After all it’s about BEST teams not most deserving.

I never said resume means nothing. Don't misrepresent my position.

If we'd lost to Auburn, I wouldn't expect to be in the CFP.

 

[AllTimeIrish]

You guys have fun arguing this, I’m done.

I’m going to go do something more intelligent than arguing FSU is top 4, like sticking my dick in the blender.

Carry on.

You have been saying you would leave the discussion for awhile now. Is it going to happen?

 

[Circa]

How did we get stuck reading posts from Bama fans acting like they know about integrity?

 

[Grahambo]

He obviously doesn’t.

I’m slowly losing faith in the amount of football knowledge here.

Nobody in their right mind thinks FSU is one of the best 4 teams. It’s just stupid.

FSU is absolutely NOT one of the 4 best teams. Even with Jordan Travis.

 

[NDRock]

I never said resume means nothing. Don't misrepresent my position.

If we'd lost to Auburn, I wouldn't expect to be in the CFP.

Ok, but if that play at the end went differently, would you still think Bama is better than FSU.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Like it or not, my team and conference have earned that benefit of the doubt. Bama has won 6 of the past 15 NC's, is 9-4 in the playoffs, and is 6-2 against AP #1 teams during the Saban era. The SEC has won 14 of the past 20 NC's, including the past 4. You earn some benefit of the doubt with that.


The short answer is that FSU went 13-0 against air. It's a great record, but it has to be judged in context. Their SOS was 55th and with the loss of their star QB, their trajectory is definitely not up. OTOH, Bama went 12-1 with the #4 SOS, beat the #1 team in the country, and are clearly on an upwards trajectory.

Agreed that Saban has earned the benefit of the doubt. The conference? No. That conference as it’s known today was built on two coaches: Saban & Urban.

Saban built LSU into a national power. Les Miles & Ed Orgeron merely played Barry Switzer to Jimmy Johnson. Hell, the BCS was so fucked up it allowed LSU to lose their final regular season game & back in to a NC appearance w/ two losses. Truly, Saban deserves more credit for their 2007 NC over Miles b/c those were mostly his players & no way he loses 2 regular season games w/ that roster.

Auburn won in 2010 b/c of Cam Newton. If not, why did Chizik get fired two years later. End of story. Same w/ Orgeron and Burrow/Brady. After that season & before Brady they were mid if not worse.

Every other Natty was won by Saban or Meyer. Now, UGA has entered the picture. They’re legit. But they simply replaced the void left by Meyer. So it’s two teams and the rest of the conference rides their coattails.

So, again; kudos to Saban b/c he has earned the benefit of the doubt. But nothing in sports is as disgusting as rooting for a conference. It’s like OSU rooting for scUM, Yankees rooting for BoSox, Bears rooting for Packers, Dodgers rooting for Giants, Cubs rooting for Cards, SC rooting for UCLA, UNC rooting for Duke. GTFOH w/ that shit. I‘m not saying you personally ascribe to that line of thinking. Most respectable Bama fans don’t. But when my buddy who is an Auburn fan admits he still ends up rooting for Bama in NC game b/c “SEC! SEC! SEC!”, I lose respect for him as an Auburn fan.

Good luck to your Tide. I hope they smoke scUM in the semis.

 

[forkbeard3777]

Talking about Bishop?
You, of everybody on this Board, have no crediblity to criticize him, not even in jest.
GTFO with that

 

[T Town Tommy]

So every ten point home loss when leading after three quarters is a curb stomping?
Do you know what curb stomping is...lol

forkbeard knows all too well what curb stomping is. He and his jv team from Baton Rouge have been living it for the better part of 15 years when it comes to Bama. He can take his red stick, coon ass right back to tigerdroppings and drown in his misery with his fellow brothern.

 

[Giddyup]

FSU is absolutely NOT one of the 4 best teams. Even with Jordan Travis.

Poop

 

[Giddyup]

Alabama must be pissed they have to run off ESPN’s teet

 

[forkbeard3777]

forkbeard knows all too well what curb stomping is. He and his jv team from Baton Rouge have been living it for the better part of 15 years when it comes to Bama. He can take his red stick, coon ass right back to tigerdroppings and drown in his misery with his fellow brothern.

JV team? Easy. We’re one of your better wins all year.

And coon ass? 😂 I’m from NOLA — yat? Sure. Coon ass — that’s a different part of the state. I wish we could all be as civilized my Alabama brethren. Shall I teach you how to eat with a fork? How to pick and enjoy a wine — one that isn’t a non-vintage, blend, perhaps?

 

[NDRock]

FSU is absolutely NOT one of the 4 best teams. Even with Jordan Travis.

Some of you guys must make a fortune gambling on football. Everyone knows exactly who is better than who. Hope you guys all kill it this playoff.

 

[Giddyup]

Dumbo’s just like the corrupt committee

 

[forkbeard3777]

FSU is absolutely NOT one of the 4 best teams. Even with Jordan Travis.

And TCU was never going to beat Michigan.

ETA: Obviously, it’s an entirely subjective standard, but who are the best 4 teams?

Michigan?
Alabama?
Washington?
Texas?
Georgia?
Ohio State?
FSU?

If it’s the 4 best teams, then why isn’t Georgia in there?

 

[T Town Tommy]

JV team? Easy. We’re one of your better wins all year.

And coon ass? 😂 I’m from NOLA — yat? Sure. Coon ass — that’s a different part of the state. I wish we could all be as civilized my Alabama brethren. Shall I teach you how to eat with a fork? How to pick and enjoy a wine — one that isn’t a non-vintage, blend, perhaps?

Oh… my apologies. If I knew I was referencing a guy that drowns his misery in wine I wouldn’t have been so harsh. Next time you’re in T Town I’ll buy you a bourbon. That is if your lily white ass has the chest for it. Enjoy.

 

[Giddyup]

Alabama needs corporate espn to keep the southerners occupied. Sad

 

[Rambler09]

Does anyone else think it's odd how pissed off people are about this on the message board of the #16 ranked team?

 

[T-Boone]

Now that the dust has settled.... what if Notre Dame were sitting undefeated right now? Would you have them in the top 4?

If we were undefeated, I would have us in at 4

1. Washington
2. Michigan
3. FSU
4. Notre Dame

What do you guys think?

Yes that is what I would have. I’d also have us nesting Washington then muchigan

 

[Bishop2b5]

Ok, but if that play at the end went differently, would you still think Bama is better than FSU.

Assuming everything else stays the same? We beat UGA last night, FSU loses their star qb and looks mediocre without him? I wouldn't expect to go to the playoffs, but I'd probably still think we'd beat FSU today. One play wouldn't change that in reality, but I wouldn't have any expectation of being ranked ahead of FSU at that point. I realize resume matters. I just don't think it's the ONLY thing that matters in determining how good a team is. How a team played, who they played, when & how they won or lost, improvement over time (or lack thereof), overall body of work, record and who it was achieved against, and etc. all count. Not just one single data point.

 

[BleedingGold]

Bourbon, wine, shine, beer….why we got to trash talk anyone’s taste in ambrosia?

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

Does anyone else think it's odd how pissed off people are about this on the message board of the #16 ranked team?

I mean cause and effect.

Cause
FSU gets fucked.

Effect
We play in the Sun Bowl

 

[tussin]

Does anyone else think it's odd how pissed off people are about this on the message board of the #16 ranked team?

It’s a board filled with CFB fanatics.

 

[BleedingGold]

Does anyone else think it's odd how pissed off people are about this on the message board of the #16 ranked team?

Most of it is trolling I imagine. Coming here for much less is rather moronic.

 

[T-Boone]

It is tough for FSU but it makes sense. I think they had to have Bama in and therefore Texas.

 

[NDRock]

Assuming everything else stays the same? We beat UGA last night, FSU loses their star qb and looks mediocre without him? I wouldn't expect to go to the playoffs, but I'd probably still think we'd beat FSU today. One play wouldn't change that in reality, but I wouldn't have any expectation of being ranked ahead of FSU at that point. I realize resume matters. I just don't think it's the ONLY thing that matters in determining how good a team is. How a team played, who they played, when & how they won or lost, improvement over time (or lack thereof), overall body of work, record and who it was achieved against, and etc. all count. Not just one single data point.

But that’s not how you said it worked. You wrote this earlier:

“It is best. Most deserving is not anything in the committee's lexicon. They are to rank the best teams in order, and that's what they do. Just keep that word in mind, best teams."

This is my problem with the people who argue it’s the “best teams”. You get to a point where you believe a 11-2 team should be in over a 13-0 team or you take a more nuanced approach which then actually goes against the “4 best teams” view you argued for in the first place.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

All of this complaining, confusion over why Bama is in over FSU, the anger, the drama... all of it could have been avoided if the CFB Playoff Committee had just stated from the outset ten years ago that their goal was to select the four BEST teams, not the four most deserving. Oh, and told us that losing a key player to injury before the playoffs would be factored in too. Imagine if they'd just said that up front, repeated it every year since, and followed that mission statement over the years.

Just to be sure we all knew, they could've even had their executive director, Bill Hancock, remind us this past week that, "It is best. Most deserving is not anything in the committee's lexicon. They are to rank the best teams in order, and that's what they do. Just keep that word in mind, best teams." Dang, if they'd just done all that, we wouldn't have all this complaining and confusion. If only they'd told us that from the beginn... Oh. Wait. Nevermind.

The problem is what determines that Bama is better than FSU? Was it almost losing to Auburn last week? I’d take FSU with their 5th string QB over Auburn all day right now. Like a previous poster said and Booger said on ESPN today why are we even playing the games then? Just use recent history and recruiting rankings to determine preseason who the best 12 teams are, have them play the playoffs and scratch the entire rest of the season. Spare these kids all the concussions and injuries that occur in playing meaningless games. Want to play in the NFL? Cool, come to pro day.

 

[Bishop2b5]

But that’s not how you said it worked. You wrote this earlier:

“It is best. Most deserving is not anything in the committee's lexicon. They are to rank the best teams in order, and that's what they do. Just keep that word in mind, best teams."

This is my problem with the people who argue it’s the “best teams”. You get to a point where you believe a 11-2 team should be in over a 13-0 team or you take a more nuanced approach which then actually goes against the “4 best teams” view you argued for in the first place.

That's a quote from the Playoff Committee's executive director. He told you the criteria. Time to just accept the results. FSU went 13-0 against a very weak schedule... their SOS was 55th in the country. Bama went 12-1 against the 4th toughest schedule in the country and beat the #1 team. That's it. Accept it and move on.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

That's a quote from the Playoff Committee's executive director. He told you the criteria. Time to just accept the results. FSU went 13-0 against a very weak schedule... their SOS was 55th in the country. Bama went 12-1 against the 4th toughest schedule in the country and beat the #1 team. That's it. Accept it and move on.

Then why doesnt this same logic apply when say for instance Liberty plays in the Fiesta bowl while LSU plays in the Reliaquest bowl or ND plays im the shit bowl. Two teams with far superior SOS that resulted in losses be side of it. You cant have it both ways.

 

[NDRock]

That's a quote from the Playoff Committee's executive director. He told you the criteria. Time to just accept the results. FSU went 13-0 against a very weak schedule... their SOS was 55th in the country. Bama went 12-1 against the 4th toughest schedule in the country and beat the #1 team. That's it. Accept it and move on.

Are you really telling someone on a Notre Dame message board to “accept it and move on”? I’m still not over USC ‘05 or Boston College ‘93. Hell, I’m still pissed you idiots claim the ‘73 title and I wasn’t born yet. I’ll accept none of it!

 

[CoachB]

Okay, look at FSU with & without Travis.

Then look me in the face & tell me FSU is top 4.

No kidding. Really surprised people are arguing this. FSU without Travis is clearly not one of the four best teams. Honestly, the only reason I can think of that people would be arguing is because they hate the SEC. If it was a school like Arizona or something instead of Alabama, they would probably be fine with it. The only team I hate more than the SEC is Michigan, so I am perfectly fine with UM not having a bye playing FSU first round.