Jonas Gray Better than Armando

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I honestly thought that James Aldridge should have been given a better shot at the job. He breaks tackles and moves the ball forward when he runs. Armando is just as likely to lose 2 than he is to gain 5.

James Aldridge pound the ball!!! Pass me what you're smoking. I remember clearly last year on third and short James got stuffed quiet a few times. For a 5* runningback coming out of high school he hasn't lived up to it.
 

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James Aldridge pound the ball!!! Pass me what you're smoking. I remember clearly last year on third and short James got stuffed quiet a few times. For a 5* runningback coming out of high school he hasn't lived up to it.

All of our RBs have been let down by the OL the past 2 years. (3 actually) At this point I wouldn't lay blame on the RBs at all.
 

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Some of it goes the O line, but not all of it

I thought the OL played better last Saturday than it has for the last two seasons. That is particularly promising since it was the first game and they will probably get better as the season continues. In the words of Weis "It was a good start."
 

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James Aldridge pound the ball!!! Pass me what you're smoking. I remember clearly last year on third and short James got stuffed quiet a few times. For a 5* runningback coming out of high school he hasn't lived up to it.


Aldridge was the most effective runner in 2007.

I thought he did well when given opportunities last year (Washington)

I just prefer backs that can run between the tackles when needed. Charlie seems to prefer Dave Meggett/Ronnie Harmon type backs that catch passes in the flat. Just differing opinions.
 

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Aldridge was the most effective runner in 2007.

I thought he did well when given opportunities last year (Washington)

I just prefer backs that can run between the tackles when needed. Charlie seems to prefer Dave Meggett/Ronnie Harmon type backs that catch passes in the flat. Just differing opinions.

Aldridge was not the same back after the knee injury. I like him at FB. We will miss him this week.

Weis does seem to prefer that type of back, Walker and Allen. But what have been his choices since he arrived. There was Walker and ...

Yet week after week people posted these same kinds of thread touting anyone that wasn't starting.

At a recent press conference, Weis noted that in his first couple of years there was a huge dropoff from RB#1 to RB#2 and that's not the case now. He said he would use other RBs and he did.

Allen got 15 carries.
Gray got 9.
Hughes got 8.
Riddick got 5.
Aldridge had 3 at FB.
Tate had a reverse.
Clausen had 2 carries.

Sorry folks despite your protestations the stats show #2 did get opportunities - as did others. The #1 RB got 15 carries, the backup RBs had 22. #1 only got 40% of the RB carries and 35% of the total carries. Pretty low number for a #1 RB.

The most critical carries of the game were Aldridge on 4th down. Allen from inside the ND 1 where ball security is essential. The guy that so many have pointed out goes down with the first contact ran the ball 3 straight times when everybody knew a run was coming. He took the ball up the gut and made the first down. The other critical carry was the short TD rush where Gray was replaced by Allen. I suspect the motivating factor was ball security. And I suspect Gray got the message loud and clear. Motivation is a key part of coaching.


In the mid-90's Holtz commented, "The favorite QB with ND fans is the one not starting".

We can update that now to RB.

I liked Aldridge's HS clips but the knee eroded some of that promise.

I liked Hughes running over people in HS. I though he would be the Big Back in Weis scheme. He hasn't got there.

Charlie and fans raved about Munir's speed in practice. In a game Munir couldn't turn the corner - time after time. He went to CB and transferred.

Hoskins and the names of other RBs are a distant blur.

The OL has been a problem. It has improved but is still a problem. Rudolph blocks much better than last year but he's still a liablity. I watched the first half of the Nevada game last night watching the RBs and the blocking. Allen got lit up on one play when Rudolph whiffed on his man. He missed other blocks. Rudolph wasn't blocking a 300 pound DT he had a 240 pound DE a guy HE outweighed by 20 pounds. He'll have a mucher tougher adversary in UM's Graham this Saturday. Duncan also had his hands full with his man. I'd bet his UM opposite with be a better athlete.

On the first Wildcat the play ran to the left toward the boundary. Allen fakes the handoff and then follows Tate to the left. The RT pulls and head left parallel with Tate. Nevada's LDE slices though the RT slot untouched and takes down Allen. Scheme or blocking? It wasn't the ball carrier. Whoever took the snap would have been taken down the way that play was executed.
 
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Jonas gray has a ton of potential but AA is still the starter and still has more break away potential.
 

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Aldridge was not the same back after the knee injury. I like him at FB. We will miss him this week.

Weis does seem to prefer that type of back, Walker and Allen. But what have been his choices since he arrived. There was Walker and ...

Yet week after week people posted these same kinds of thread touting anyone that wasn't starting.

At a recent press conference, Weis noted that in his first couple of years there was a huge dropoff from RB#1 to RB#2 and that's not the case now. He said he would use other RBs and he did.

Allen got 15 carries.
Gray got 9.
Hughes got 8.
Riddick got 5.
Aldridge had 3 at FB.
Tate had a reverse.
Clausen had 2 carries.

Sorry folks despite your protestations the stats show #2 did get opportunities - as did others. The #1 RB got 15 carries, the backup RBs had 22. #1 only got 40% of the RB carries and 35% of the total carries. Pretty low number for a #1 RB.

The most critical carries of the game were Aldridge on 4th down. Allen from inside the ND 1 where ball security is essential. The guy that so many have pointed out goes down with the first contact ran the ball 3 straight times when everybody knew a run was coming. He took the ball up the gut and made the first down. The other critical carry was the short TD rush where Gray was replaced by Allen. I suspect the motivating factor was ball security. And I suspect Gray got the message loud and clear. Motivation is a key part of coaching.


In the mid-90's Holtz commented, "The favorite QB with ND fans is the one not starting".

We can update that now to RB.

I liked Aldridge's HS clips but the knee eroded some of that promise.

I liked Hughes running over people in HS. I though he would be the Big Back in Weis scheme. He hasn't got there.

Charlie and fans raved about Munir's speed in practice. In a game Munir couldn't turn the corner - time after time. He went to CB and transferred.

Hoskins and the names of other RBs are a distant blur.

The OL has been a problem. It has improved but is still a problem. Rudolph blocks much better than last year but he's still a liablity. I watched the first half of the Nevada game last night watching the RBs and the blocking. Allen got lit up on one play when Rudolph whiffed on his man. He missed other blocks. Rudolph wasn't blocking a 300 pound DT he had a 240 pound DE a guy HE outweighed by 20 pounds. He'll have a mucher tougher adversary in UM's Graham this Saturday. Duncan also had his hands full with his man. I'd bet his UM opposite with be a better athlete.

On the first Wildcat the play ran to the left toward the boundary. Allen fakes the handoff and then follows Tate to the left. The RT pulls and head left parallel with Tate. Nevada's LDE slices though the RT slot untouched and takes down Allen. Scheme or blocking? It wasn't the ball carrier. Whoever took the snap would have been taken down the way that play was executed.

Mind you, I am not making excuses but I am giving Rudolph a pass for week 1. No question he had a terrible blocking game. The DE's for Nevada are good so lets not assume that Michigan will have better players because even though they have more talent overall than Nevada, position to position can not and should not be assumed to be better.

Overall, I think the OL made some improvements and looked promising. Remember, if Allen busts one of those open, we have over 200 yards rushing and a very good average. And no one is questioning the OL or AA. If the line provides three opportunities for our backs to get to the last level with one man left to beat to get to the endzone, I am happy with that. At this stage, we can only assume that the OL and DL will improve on Saturday.
 

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The DE's for Nevada are good so lets not assume that Michigan will have better players because even though they have more talent overall than Nevada, position to position can not and should not be assumed to be better. ...

You just make this stuff up as you go along, don't you?

I doubt their starters, Dontay Mock and Ryan Coulson, would make the 2 Deep at UM. Phil Steele -ranks them as his #153 and #160 DEs respectively. Against ND Mock was involved in 6 tackles with a TFL for 2 yds. Coulson had 2 tackles with 1 TFL for 6 yds. Kevin Basped was credited with no tackles.

Brandon Graham, 6-2, 268, was UM's MVP last year with 10 sacks and 10 TFL. Van Bergen, 6-6 262 is at the other DE. Craig Roh 6-3, 230 provides lighter but faster. UM DTs are 290-300. Their DLine will be 20 pounds a man heavier, faster, and better.

Greg Robinson, UM's new DC, was a NFL DC. His defense last year embarassed ND"s offense. His DT is the reason Wenger got moved to the bench. Robinson's head and shoulders superior to Ken Wilson.

When ND's offense lines up they will be looking to locate Graham and LB Obi Ezeh
 

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You just make this stuff up as you go along, don't you?

I doubt their starters, Dontay Mock and Ryan Coulson, would make the 2 Deep at UM. Phil Steele -ranks them as his #153 and #160 DEs respectively. Against ND Mock was involved in 6 tackles with a TFL for 2 yds. Coulson had 2 tackles with 1 TFL for 6 yds. Kevin Basped was credited with no tackles.

Brandon Graham, 6-2, 268, was UM's MVP last year with 10 sacks and 10 TFL. Van Bergen, 6-6 262 is at the other DE. Craig Roh 6-3, 230 provides lighter but faster. UM DTs are 290-300. Their DLine will be 20 pounds a man heavier, faster, and better.

Greg Robinson, UM's new DC, was a NFL DC. His defense last year embarassed ND"s offense. His DT is the reason Wenger got moved to the bench. Robinson's head and shoulders superior to Ken Wilson.

When ND's offense lines up they will be looking to locate Graham and LB Obi Ezeh

I thought this board was not suppose to get personal. I am going on what the players and coaches say. I believe Jimmy said that the two DE's were projected draft pick (or something like that) If you want me to find the quotes, I'll do it. And I clearly understand Graham will be the best DE we face but what about the other guys. We fared well last season against Graham and a senior DT and a nose tackle that I believe went in the fourth round.
 

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Clausen wasn't sacked last season against Michigan. They've improved that defensive line, but we've also improved our offensive line.
 

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Clausen wasn't sacked last season against Michigan. They've improved that defensive line, but we've also improved our offensive line.

Terrance Taylor and Tim Jamison both play in the NFL. I am not saying their replacements are bums but replacing two NFL players is pretty tough.
 

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I think we may see Cierre play this weekend. He was being interviewed and made a comment about how he cant wait to "play" against Michigan and show them what hes got.

Maybe Cierre is alittle twist CW saved from UM
 

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I think we may see Cierre play this weekend. He was being interviewed and made a comment about how he cant wait to "play" against Michigan and show them what hes got.

Maybe Cierre is alittle twist CW saved from UM

As much as I would like to see Cierre get some carries, last week was the best time to get his feet wet. I don't want to put a freshmen in that atmosphere for his first touches in his career.
 

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I think so Jason. You have been "outbeyotched."

I still think the running game is outdated and drab. Not the athletes' fault. Poor system. And I am an Armando fan. ND has had very few 1000 yd. runners, I think mostly because they have historically been deep in the backfield and shared the wealth with other backs and a decent passing game.
 

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I think so Jason. You have been "outbeyotched."

I still think the running game is outdated and drab. Not the athletes' fault. Poor system. And I am an Armando fan. ND has had very few 1000 yd. runners, I think mostly because they have historically been deep in the backfield and shared the wealth with other backs and a decent passing game.

where the hell ya been? just waking up from a hawaii game nap?
 

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Lou Somogyi Blue & Gold Illustrated September 14th issue

Blue & Gold Illustrated review some of the top individual or position stories from the August practices.

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Jonas Gray, Sophomore RB
Junior halfback Robert Hughes had to sit out the first half of the Nevada game per NCAA rules for fighting in the second half of the 2008 regular season finale at USC.
However, the sophomore Gray has been working himself into a viable contender for the No. 2 role behind Armando Allen. As a freshman last year, his liabilities, according to Weis, included: not understanding the full offense (especially blitz pickups), repeatedly cutting back when not necessary and ball security.
"They were the three areas where he had the most difficulty," Weis said. "And those three areas have shown significant improvement."
 

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To the thread starter.. BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!







Tell us again how Gray is better.. BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!
 

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Every time we needed a big 3rd down, Armando came up big shrugging off arm tackles. And Jonas Gray? I don't want to trash the kid, but this was in his words the "biggest game" of his life. We all saw the results. This debate is over.
 

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To the thread starter.. BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!







Tell us again how Gray is better.. BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!


Easy to say that after a fumble, which was not all of jonas' fault, but still a fumble. What if it was allen who fumbled with a blitzing LB? Would you be agreeing with me or keeping quiet? Second guessers are always right.

With that being said, Armando had one helluva game aside from missing a block when a LB came free
 

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Armando and the O line played great. No knock on Gray but all debate should be deaded right now. That fumblechanged the entire complexion of thegame
 

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Easy to say that after a fumble, which was not all of jonas' fault, but still a fumble. What if it was allen who fumbled with a blitzing LB? Would you be agreeing with me or keeping quiet? Second guessers are always right.

With that being said, Armando had one helluva game aside from missing a block when a LB came free

I think you need to refer back a page or so.. I do believe PLENTY of people pointed out the fact Jonas has fumblitis..

Armando and the O line played great. No knock on Gray but all debate should be deaded right now. That fumblechanged the entire complexion of thegame

No the BS screen pass touchdown called back was the begining to the end on top of the non pass interfernece calls. That first one on Tate just kills me..
 
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To the thread starter.. BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!







Tell us again how Gray is better.. BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA!

What are you 14?

Leppy opened a threat threat stating that he thought one player was better than another. He explain his position and invited dialog.

I and many others that Allen the more complete back at this point in their careers. Others disagreed and offered commentary.

Today Allen had a great day rushing but he missed a key blitz pickup. Gray fumbled. Neither one was perfect. Unfortunately they weren't alone.

Tate dropped one in the breadbasket and pickup up a controversial penalty that he should not have even given the official a reason to call. Taush missed a chip shot. Clausen overthrew an open Rudolph. There were questionable holding calls and stupid holding calls. Charlie made some brillant calls and some others raised eyebrows and TV remotes.

Your post was juvenile.
 

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Armando and the O line played great. No knock on Gray but all debate should be deaded right now. That fumblechanged the entire complexion of thegame


We took the lead after the fumble.

We couldn't stop them when it mattered most.
 

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With 240 people here and the day it's been, I get the feeling there will be a lot of mud sligging and stupid comments made.
 

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We took the lead after the fumble.

We couldn't stop them when it mattered most.

No Michigane took the leadafterthe fumble

it was 20-17 at the half. They got the ball back first drove down the field and missed fg. we got it back, fumbled, and gave Michigan the ball back in the redzone. Michigan scored and made it 24-20
 
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