Is Kelly a REALLY good coach?

[GUknights75]

You and others need to go back and take a look at the film. The one time he had the chance to down it he did. The other kicks he didn't have an option because he was fielding the kick at the 2 or 3 yard line. Getting tired of hearing that it was CJs fault for the poor kick returns yesterday. Maybe OSUs KO team was just that good yesterday or maybe people didn't book anyone.

Maybe you need to re-watch it, there were numerous times where he did catch it at the half yard line and he just stood there for a half a second before he decided to move. It happened multiple times, there was even a return where he was told to knee it in the endzone but he hesitated and decided to run right past his lead blocker.

OSU's coverage was good, but CJ didn't help his case at all.

 

[kmoose]

This just isn't BK though. As a 40 year fan of ND, got my Grad Cert. at ND---it is what we do.

Since 1988 in the biggest moments don't rise to the occasion. It has been proven over and over for 28 years. I thought in 2012 we changed our course. We haven't. Other big time Universities have. We haven't. Hate to say it, but the stats and results don't lie.

As a 40 year fan (1975-2015), you have seen two national titles ('77, '88), 329 wins vs 162 losses and 4 ties, 10 Top 10 finishes, and 10 10+ win seasons. And your take from all of that is "it is what we do"? I think asking for much more than that is bordering on unrealistic. Especially given the fact that we have actual STUDENT-athletes.

 

[gkIrish]

Kelly is obviously a "good" coach. The question has always been for me whether he is good enough for ND. I find it interesting that people are calling for the heads of assistant coaches and coordinators but don't seem to put any blame on the head coach that hired them. BVG has been a disaster and it is 100% on BK for hiring him.

Next year will be BK's seventh season at Notre Dame. If we don't finish in the top 10 this year (it's going to be close because a bunch of teams got blown out) we will have had only 1 season out of 6 where we finished in the top 10. Our recruiting efforts indicate that we should be in the top 10 much more often than that. So to me, there is a coaching issue somewhere that has held us back.

This season was a "push" for me in that it didn't help me decide whether we should keep BK or not. We had a lot of injuries to "excuse" our season. But we also beat one team that will finish in the top 25 (Navy). That's why it's hard for me to say this season was a great success. We beat all the teams we should beat and lost to the teams we should lose to. That could be considered progress, but I consider beating the teams we should beat to be the most basic responsibility of an "elite" coach. And Notre Dame deserves an "elite" coach.

I don't know who is willing to coach here but I do know that if Tom Herman or Gary Patterson would, then I would definitely make the change. Otherwise I guess I would say no until after next season because there is some value to stability.

 

[koonja]

I don't understand how a DL that is missing 3 starters since their last game could dominate our healthy OL so much. Urban truly is unreal, as is their recruiting and S/C program.

 

[kmoose]

Our recruiting efforts indicate that we should be in the top 10 much more often than that. So to me, there is a coaching issue somewhere that has held us back.

OR......... you could look at it another way:

The following guys were 3* recruits, that this staff has done a tremendous job of getting ready to play at this level:

Chris Brown
Romeo Okwara
CJ Prosise
Devin Butler
Durham Smythe
Daniel Cage
Drue Tranquil
Andrew Trumbetti
Josh Adams
Justin Yoon

 

[Irishman77]

I support Kelly and think he is a good coach. What baffles me is how we have zero emotion coming out of the tunnel. Yesterday I knew after 3 plays we were screwed. The players looked lost and timid. The coaches were in wait and see mode. we get our assses kicked all the time in the first qtr.


If may not be Kelly's style to get our kids foaming at the mouth or connect emotionally with the players, but I would love to see BVG gone and have a D cood that handles this for Kelly.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

OR......... you could look at it another way:

The following guys were 3* recruits, that this staff has done a tremendous job of getting ready to play at this level:

Chris Brown
Romeo Okwara
CJ Prosise
Devin Butler
Durham Smythe
Daniel Cage
Drue Tranquil
Andrew Trumbetti
Josh Adams
Justin Yoon

Could also throw Fuller in there. He was ranked in the 20's or lower on every service but is a top 5 WR this year.

 

[kmoose]

Could also throw Fuller in there. He was ranked in the 20's or lower on every service but is a top 5 WR this year.

I used Rivals for my star rankings, because it is easy to navigate and organize. He was a 4* on Rivals.

 

[IrishLion]

I don't know who is willing to coach here but I do know that if Tom Herman or Gary Patterson would, then I would definitely make the change. Otherwise I guess I would say no until after next season because there is some value to stability.

I don't know if I'd even take either of them over BK right now.

After this season, I'm not convinced that Patterson would be any better than BK. Dealt with similar issues in terms of injuries, turned in similar seasons.

It looks like Herman will be a fantastic coach, and Houston's win over FSU was awesome, but he's getting his recognition the same way BK did... taking an AAC team to an amazing season. BK took UC to 12-0, got the ND job. Herman took Houston to 13-1. Similar resume's seemingly ahead of big job offers, except that BK was a more proven commodity as a head coach.

IDK that I'd take Herman over BK right now. Maybe after another season or two if he keeps winning.

 

[Grahambo]

Kelly is obviously a "good" coach. The question has always been for me whether he is good enough for ND. I find it interesting that people are calling for the heads of assistant coaches and coordinators but don't seem to put any blame on the head coach that hired them. BVG has been a disaster and it is 100% on BK for hiring him.

Next year will be BK's seventh season at Notre Dame. If we don't finish in the top 10 this year (it's going to be close because a bunch of teams got blown out) we will have had only 1 season out of 6 where we finished in the top 10. Our recruiting efforts indicate that we should be in the top 10 much more often than that. So to me, there is a coaching issue somewhere that has held us back.

This season was a "push" for me in that it didn't help me decide whether we should keep BK or not. We had a lot of injuries to "excuse" our season. But we also beat one team that will finish in the top 25 (Navy). That's why it's hard for me to say this season was a great success. We beat all the teams we should beat and lost to the teams we should lose to. That could be considered progress, but I consider beating the teams we should beat to be the most basic responsibility of an "elite" coach. And Notre Dame deserves an "elite" coach.

I don't know who is willing to coach here but I do know that if Tom Herman or Gary Patterson would, then I would definitely make the change. Otherwise I guess I would say no until after next season because there is some value to stability.

People are saying BK needs to make a change but for every BVG, there's a Harry Hiestand and Autry Denson. There's also a Mike Denbrock.

His tenure hasn't been perfect by any stretch but its been the best football we have seen at ND in how long? He's also been helpful in changing the field and adding a video board.

What is this love fest for Tom Herman? He's been head coach all of one year and its at Houston who plays in the AAC. That's not to say he isn't a good coach but I think its valid to ask for someone with more experience.

Gary Patterson would be an interesting choice and probably as best as we could hope for. He has a Top 5 of places he would leave TCU for and while we don't know who they are, one could imagine that ND is one of them.

 

[CraigKrenzel]

Osu's kick coverage was maybe thr best I've ever seen in college. And agree with the poster that says Longo must go.

I thought the kicker was doing a fantastic job of getting hang time on his kickoffs, and placing it within 1-2 yards of the goal line.

When CJ got into a trot, folks were already around the 10 yard line. Wasn't sure the broadcast team was giving the kicker due credit (although it was clear that OSU had some athletes on that coverage unit).

 

[DCirishfan]

People are saying BK needs to make a change but for every BVG, there's a Harry Hiestand and Autry Denson. There's also a Mike Denbrock.

His tenure hasn't been perfect by any stretch but its been the best football we have seen at ND in how long? He's also been helpful in changing the field and adding a video board.

What is this love fest for Tom Herman? He's been head coach all of one year and its at Houston who plays in the AAC. That's not to say he isn't a good coach but I think its valid to ask for someone with more experience.

Gary Patterson would be an interesting choice and probably as best as we could hope for. He has a Top 5 of places he would leave TCU for and while we don't know who they are, one could imagine that ND is one of them.

What is Kelly's signature win? Yeah.

 

[kmoose]

What is Kelly's signature win? Yeah.

I don't think he has one, yet. Although beating USC in 2010, after they had beaten us 8 years in a row, is probably the most important one. That was a HUGE monkey off of the program's back...

 

[Grahambo]

What is Kelly's signature win? Yeah.

He has 55 of them at ND.

 

[FearTheBeard]

What is Kelly's signature win? Yeah.

Oklahoma was big in 2012

 

[IrishLion]

What is Kelly's signature win? Yeah.

I don't think he has one, yet. Although beating USC in 2010, after they had beaten us 8 years in a row, is probably the most important one. That was a HUGE monkey off of the program's back...

Oklahoma, on the road, in 2012, is a signature win.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Literally, my only gripe with Kelly is that he seems to hang on to his coaching circle way too closely.

There was no reason to bring BVG in, after his previous failed stints. Other than the fact, he's one of Kelly's bros.

We need to bring someone from the outside that can help whip the program around, defensively.

Similar to a Sanford hire.

 

[bkess8]

Maybe you need to re-watch it, there were numerous times where he did catch it at the half yard line and he just stood there for a half a second before he decided to move. It happened multiple times, there was even a return where he was told to knee it in the endzone but he hesitated and decided to run right past his lead blocker.

OSU's coverage was good, but CJ didn't help his case at all.

Brother go to noonkick and rewatch all the returns, you are clearly blind. I watched it again to affirm what I already knew and here it is.


Return #1: Kick out of bounds, no return.

Return #2: Received at the 1 yard line. No hesitation, zero blocking and by the time he gets to the 9 yard line there are 2 defenders in his face.

Return #3: Received at the 3 yard line. Zero hesitation, the OSU player that makes the tackle runs down the field untouched and CJ is tackled at the 13 yard line surrounded by 4 OSU players.

Return #4: Kick out of bounds, no return.

Return #5: Kick 4 yards deep in the endzone and downed by CJ.

Return #6: Kick 2 yards deep in the endzone and downed by CJ.

Return #7: Received at the goalline. Little hesitation but returned to the 16 yard line. By far the best return of the day both blocking and running wise.

Return #8: Kick 1 yard deep in the endzone. Zero hesitation to bring it out but instead of blocking Josh Adams decideds for CJ to down the ball, huge mistake on his part. CJ brings it out and once again zero blocking by ND. Tackled at the 9 yard line.

Return #9: Received at the 1 yard line. Zero hesitation, returned to the 13 yard line. Once again zero blocking by any of our guys.

People like you need to do a little research before shooting your mouth off. CJ was not the problem yesterday. If you can watch it again (unbiased) and tell me that the combination of no one blocking especially Niles Morgan and Josh Adams and the great kicks and coverage by OSU are not bigger factors than the one time that CJ hesitated then we will just keep disagreeing I guess. We blocked no one on our returns, it didn't matter who would of been the returner yesterday they would of went no where!

 

[no.1IrishFan]

What is Kelly's signature win? Yeah.

Oklahoma 2012.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

I remember everyone saying we need to be a consistent 10 win team. 2 losses on the last play of the game and a loss missing many starters against one of the best coaches in college history and a team loaded with talent. The quality of our depth won us ten this year. Have faith everyone, this train is on the right tracks.

 

[kmoose]

Thinking back on it.........


Being the -1 in Michigan State's 13-1 record in 2013 was a pretty big win, too.

 

[NDRock]

What is Kelly's signature win? Yeah.

Funny how we beat a 13-1 Michigan State team who finished #3 in the country with wins over a #2 Ohio State and a #5 Stanford team yet nobody talks about it.

Edit: Didn't see your post Moose.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Ok cowboy keep talking the talk you weak piece of garbage.

Yes I said Kizer sucked. After what, week 2? He came a long way in that time and improved a whole lot. Back then, his play sucked. He won with a hail mary against one of the worst teams in the nation. Since then, he has greatly improved and hopefully, his play will continue to improve as time passes.

BK has made a ton of bad calls. Playing a guy like Schmidt who shouldnt even be in D1 play when you have what the #3 ILB recruit riding the bench and hiring a joke of a DC like BVG are two of them. Sending starting players home for curfew are more foolish and egotistic mistakes.

BK won against a lot of games against low to mid teams because he has great athletes on his team. Outside of USC, there isnt a team on NDs schedule with higher ranked athletes. ND SHOULD win those games. That isnt rocket science nor time to promote BK to coach of the year. Now if he had teams like say PITT's talent and won....that is a whole new game.

Can BK coach? Sure. Does he make a ton of bad decisions based on egoism (sending starters home for missing curfew) and relationships (BVG), yes indeed he does.

And thats why ND will never be great with him at the wheel.

1. Hahahaha...you mad bro?

2. You saw Kizer play ONE half of football, in which he threw the game winning BOMB (only a non-athlete who has never played a down of football like yourself calls that a Hail Mary), and you declared that he wasn't good enough to play D1 football ANYWHERE. How fucking stupid is that? Yeah, you're a GREAT judge of talent LOL. You say ridiculous shot like that, and yet you still think you're capable of judging what BK has done??? Da Fuck?

3. And so Kelly takes a redshirt freshman QB who 'sucks', and a 4th string freshman RB and a 4th string freshman TE and a patchwork defense and gets 10 wins out of them, and yet he's a 'joke'??? How does that make any sense? You still failed to explain that.

4. See, you're one of THOSE guys. You know, the guys with an agenda who are incapable of looking at situations individually and basing hints off of that. You've hated Kelly since you started posting, so everything is anti-Kelly. Players play shitty? Blame Kelly. Players play well? We have the best athletes. Players that you say 'suck' get better? Don't give Kelly any credit. Who's the joke again? WR goes for a bomb in one on one coverage, with NO ONE ELSE DOING BOMBS and no other defenders in the end zone? It was a Hail Mary and Kelly got lucky LMFAO.

5. Please show me where I said he never made mistakes (hint, I never said that so once again you are talking out of your ass). I've disagreed with several of his decisions. But YOU called him a joke of a coach...those were your words. That is embarrassing to say the least and shows what you know about the game. If you said that to 100 same college football fans at a bar, they'd laugh at your ass for the rest of the night because it is so beyond preposterous.

But I have the weak takes? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA....funny coming from the guy who said that Kizer sucks and that Georgia Tech was going to murder us. You're hilarious...please don't stop posting!

 

[SoJerseyIrish]

^^^^^^^^
Point #3 is LEGIT I have to keep reminding myself of all the guys we lost. Pretty amazing how many games we did win.

 

[dang227]

Kelly is a fantastic coach. Is he perfect? No. The only thing I wish is he wouldn't have hired a DC from his circle of coaches. I think the additions on offense really helped. The defense staff seems to be lagging behind. I think because of his relationship with BVG he gives him too much leeway. Really hope he stays and am looking forward to seeing where he takes us the next 5 years or so.

 

[kmoose]

Kelly is a fantastic coach. Is he perfect? No. The only thing I wish is he wouldn't have hired a DC from his circle of coaches. I think the additions on offense really helped. The defense staff seems to be lagging behind. I think because of his relationship with BVG he gives him too much leeway. Really hope he stays and am looking forward to seeing where he takes us the next 5 years or so.

I like that he is loyal to people who have proven themselves in the past. And I'm sure the players appreciate it, too. But, to your point, there does come a time when loyalty becomes misplaced. I just don't think we are there just yet.

 

[Luckylucci]

I think Kelly deserves a lot of credit for this season and having players ready to go when we lost guy after guy, especially the offense. However it is frustrating that we aren't winning enough big games. And the BVG hire is a stain on his track record but that's the only hire that really hasn't worked out.

 

[irishff1014]

I think kelly has an ego issue more than anything else. I think he sees himself as a Saban or Urban and he isn't. I also think he knows that he has brought this program a long way from where it was when he got and knows that the Likely hood that ND would find another coach that would put up with the admin and the hard requirements is very unlikely. And when I say coach I mean someone wort while which is a very short list.

I saw that someone said Patterson from TCU. Although he has done a good job there his defense has been good but nothing to flatter yourself with. And I don't think he could do the pressure.

Herman did a good job at Houston and did a good job at an improved AAC conference but it is still the AAC. He also did a good job at OSU and was a big reason for their National Championship. So he could be a good look.

 

[Goldedommer44]

1. Hahahaha...you mad bro?

2. You saw Kizer play ONE half of football, in which he threw the game winning BOMB (only a non-athlete who has never played a down of football like yourself calls that a Hail Mary), and you declared that he wasn't good enough to play D1 football ANYWHERE. How fucking stupid is that? Yeah, you're a GREAT judge of talent LOL. You say ridiculous shot like that, and yet you still think you're capable of judging what BK has done??? Da Fuck?

3. And so Kelly takes a redshirt freshman QB who 'sucks', and a 4th string freshman RB and a 4th string freshman TE and a patchwork defense and gets 10 wins out of them, and yet he's a 'joke'??? How does that make any sense? You still failed to explain that.

4. See, you're one of THOSE guys. You know, the guys with an agenda who are incapable of looking at situations individually and basing hints off of that. You've hated Kelly since you started posting, so everything is anti-Kelly. Players play shitty? Blame Kelly. Players play well? We have the best athletes. Players that you say 'suck' get better? Don't give Kelly any credit. Who's the joke again? WR goes for a bomb in one on one coverage, with NO ONE ELSE DOING BOMBS and no other defenders in the end zone? It was a Hail Mary and Kelly got lucky LMFAO.

5. Please show me where I said he never made mistakes (hint, I never said that so once again you are talking out of your ass). I've disagreed with several of his decisions. But YOU called him a joke of a coach...those were your words. That is embarrassing to say the least and shows what you know about the game. If you said that to 100 same college football fans at a bar, they'd laugh at your ass for the rest of the night because it is so beyond preposterous.

But I have the weak takes? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA....funny coming from the guy who said that Kizer sucks and that Georgia Tech was going to murder us. You're hilarious...please don't stop posting!

It should also be mentioned that if BK doesn't send Kids home for breaking team rules everyone would say that he doesn't have control of his players and the team has no discipline. Once again Kelly can not win.

 

[FWIrish4]

So who still thinks Patterson is an upgrade to Kelly?