IE HoF Poll - Darius Fleming

[Irish#1]

It should be 90% on the field performance at the least. It's a HOF for football players not good citizens

I thought part of the criteria for the IE HOF was what they have done after football at ND.

I was going to reply about you not voting for Page, but I'm not going to waste the key strokes.

 

[woolybug25]

Voted no and I am prepared to feel the wrath! Just don't think he has enough to be in the group of HOF at ND. Besides him saving a woman from a car what has he done prior to that? I know that makes me sound like a jerk but alot of the other people that are being judged for the HOF are great reflections of what I want a ND man to be on and off the field.

For the record before the hate flows through you all I voted like this for the following:

Yes
Ken MacAfee
Tyler Eifert
Alan Page
Brady Quinn
Manti Teo

No
John Goodman
David Grimes

I just don't think this should be the good ole boys club. It was mentioned that he was a Super Bowl Champion but what was his contribution to that championship?

He played in the Super Bowl and worked his way into a major role this season, despite being a 5th round player that was cut by another team. He also does a lot of work with the Patriots Charity organization.

I'm sad that it really seems like most of you really are just talk in regards to the "character" of what Notre Dame is supposed to be about. For instance, the fact that this can be said with a straight face:

Besides him saving a woman from a car what has he done prior to that?

For real?.... how many people do you know that saved a woman from a burning car? That's not enough to give you insight on the kind of man he is?

I do like the idea of maybe having an "Irish Circle" and "Notre Dame Man", one being a total contribution in both play and character and the other simply their play on the field. Because frankly... most of you are full of shat when you say that you are considering the character of these guys with this voting.

 

[beryirish]

Voted no and I am prepared to feel the wrath! Just don't think he has enough to be in the group of HOF at ND. Besides him saving a woman from a car what has he done prior to that? I know that makes me sound like a jerk but alot of the other people that are being judged for the HOF are great reflections of what I want a ND man to be on and off the field.

For the record before the hate flows through you all I voted like this for the following:

Yes
Ken MacAfee
Tyler Eifert
Alan Page
Brady Quinn
Manti Teo

No
John Goodman
David Grimes

I just don't think this should be the good ole boys club. It was mentioned that he was a Super Bowl Champion but what was his contribution to that championship?

"Fleming played primarily on special teams during the Patriots' playoff run and Super Bowl XLIX championship, and recovered a Josh Cribbs muffed punt in the AFC Championship Game."

A guy with perseverance as he tore his ACL twice during his first two NFL seasons with the niners.

 

[bkess8]

He played in the Super Bowl and worked his way into a major role this season, despite being a 5th round player that was cut by another team. He also does a lot of work with the Patriots Charity organization.

I'm sad that it really seems like most of you really are just talk in regards to the "character" of what Notre Dame is supposed to be about. For instance, the fact that this can be said with a straight face:



For real?.... how many people do you know that saved a woman from a burning car? That's not enough to give you insight on the kind of man he is?

I do like the idea of maybe having an "Irish Circle" and "Notre Dame Man", one being a total contribution in both play and character and the other simply their play on the field. Because frankly... most of you are full of shat when you say that you are considering the character of these guys with this voting.

So just because you do one good deed that gets you into the club? For me thats a no. In the military we call it sustained superior performance. That is what I'm looking for both on and off the field. Unless your someone like Manti Teo and you’re on field performance outweighs what you did off the field (only speaking for myself). It would of been nice that the OP listed that he did charity work and what that actual work is and his contributions to the community. I went off of what was posted in the OP and honestly very little more than that.

 

[woolybug25]

So just because you do one good deed that gets you into the club? For me thats a no. In the military we call it sustained superior performance. That is what I'm looking for both on and off the field. Unless your someone like Manti Teo and you’re on field performance outweighs what you did off the field (only speaking for myself). It would of been nice that the OP listed that he did charity work and what that actual work is and his contributions to the community. I went off of what was posted in the OP and honestly very little more than that.

He is in the top 5 in a lot of stat categories for defense (TFL, Sacks, Sack Yds), so lets not act like he is a bad player that we are trying to put in because of one act. He was a four year starter that made major contributions.

Would you call pulling a fellow soldier out of a burning plane "sustained performance"?

You must have been one bad @ss mofo if that is the level of consistent performance.

 

[bkess8]

He is in the top 5 in a lot of stat categories for defense (TFL, Sacks, Sack Yds), so lets not act like he is a bad player that we are trying to put in because of one act. He was a four year starter that made major contributions.

I wouldn't say he made major contributions. As a team ND was mediocre at best during his time here, we were 7-6, 6-6, and 8-5. According to UND he had 24 tackles and 2.5 sacks as a Fr. 30 tackles and 3 sacks as a So. and 49 tackles and 6 sacks as a Jr. While his numbers improved as he went on I still wouldn't say they were major. He was more like a solid contributor ans a Jr. and a minor contributor as a Fr and So.

Also for the season he has 4 tackles for the Pats and 2 of those are solos, so yes he played in the league but isn't a factor in his teams W-L numbers.

Would you call pulling a fellow soldier out of a burning plane "sustained performance"?

You must have been one bad @ss mofo if that is the level of consistent performance.

If you look up the definition of sustained it says this: continuing for an extended period or without interruption.

So no I wouldn't call it a solder pulling someone out of a plane sustained performance.

And yes I am a badass mofo when it comes to my career in the military, at least that's what I tell myself when I wake up in the morning to come to work like everyone else in the world.

 

[irishfan]

He played in the Super Bowl and worked his way into a major role this season, despite being a 5th round player that was cut by another team. He also does a lot of work with the Patriots Charity organization.

I'm sad that it really seems like most of you really are just talk in regards to the "character" of what Notre Dame is supposed to be about. For instance, the fact that this can be said with a straight face:

Besides him saving a woman from a car what has he done prior to that?

For real?.... how many people do you know that saved a woman from a burning car? That's not enough to give you insight on the kind of man he is?

I do like the idea of maybe having an "Irish Circle" and "Notre Dame Man", one being a total contribution in both play and character and the other simply their play on the field. Because frankly... most of you are full of shat when you say that you are considering the character of these guys with this voting.

This isn't really fair. Bkess even said "I know that makes me sound like a jerk" right after he typed that. His point makes sense. This is supposed to be a hall of fame. We all are going by different criteria, but it's going to be hard for anyone to do anything off the field that outweighs being just a "pretty good" player on it. Cause that's what I assume a majority of people here thought of Fleming when he was here. He may have been a "4-year starter" (10 starts his first two seasons) but averaging less than 40 tackles and 4 sacks per season doesn't make you close to HOF-worthy on the field.

If you're not a Pats fans, has anyone here given Darius Fleming any thought whatsoever the last couple years unless you've seen him on a Special Teams play? Even then, he's only ever been active for a handful of games the last two seasons. He was a good player at ND. I wouldn't even classify him as "great." I know I'm not the only one who doesn't want this to turn into the Hall of Very Good.

 

[woolybug25]

I wouldn't say he made major contributions. As a team ND was mediocre at best during his time here, we were 7-6, 6-6, and 8-5. According to UND he had 24 tackles and 2.5 sacks as a Fr. 30 tackles and 3 sacks as a So. and 49 tackles and 6 sacks as a Jr. While his numbers improved as he went on I still wouldn't say they were major. He was more like a solid contributor ans a Jr. and a minor contributor as a Fr and So.

Also for the season he has 4 tackles for the Pats and 2 of those are solos, so yes he played in the league but isn't a factor in his teams W-L numbers.

Spin it however you want, homie. He's fourth all time at Notre Dame in Sacks.

If you look up the definition of sustained it says this: continuing for an extended period or without interruption.

So no I wouldn't call it a solder pulling someone out of a plane sustained performance.

So pulling a soldier out of fire = ultra heroic

Pulling a regular ol' lady out of a fire = not good enough

K... you betcha...

 

[bkess8]

Spin it however you want, homie. He's fourth all time at Notre Dame in Sacks.




So pulling a soldier out of fire = ultra heroic

Pulling a regular ol' lady out of a fire = not good enough

K... you betcha...

I love it how if someone doesn't agree with you, you turn in to IE board bully. Get over yourself. Fleming was and is average and I voted no. Go campaign somewhere else.

You might want to turn this whole crap show into Wooly's Hall of Average.

 

[woolybug25]

I love it how if someone doesn't agree with you, you turn in to IE board bully. Get over yourself. Fleming was and is average and I voted no. Go campaign somewhere else.

You might want to turn this whole crap show into Wooly's Hall of Average.

What?... how did I "bully" you? I even addressed you as homie (not in a patronizing way either).

Looks like you're the one that needs to get over yourself. All I said was that what he did was heroic. You're the one saying that it isn't and randomly compared it to your military service.

And yes I am a badass mofo when it comes to my career in the military

I was just trying to debate in a thread I made specifically created for that debate. Chill.

 

[bkess8]

You're the one saying that it isn't and randomly compared it to your military service.

I was just trying to debate in a thread I made specifically created for that debate. Chill.

I never compared him or will I compare anyone to my military service. I put that out there and talked about sustained superior performance so you could get an idea how I formed my opinion.

IMO when WE are voting for players into the ND Hall of Fame or ND Man or whatever we are calling it, all factors should be taken into consideration. I don't think if you are an outsider looking at great players to play at ND you even mention Darius Fleming. He was the third best player on that defense in 2010.

Just doesn't have enough to be a ND Man or HoF for me.

 

[bkess8]

Gotta get back to work Wooly, I'll check back in during lunch.

 

[woolybug25]

Gotta get back to work Wooly, I'll check back in during lunch.

No worries, man. Your opinion is fair, I just dont agree with it.

 

[pumpdog20]

To me it's performance and promoting ND. I think Fleming can have an argument to support #1, but was he a spokesman for the team when he was here, or does he openly continue to promote the good of Notre Dame?

If it's not painfully obvious to myself for the second one, I vote them no.