Head coach possibilities

[jmurphy75]

I love it when we loose a game and all the YAHOOS come out of the wood work yelling fire CW! Here's an idea get a clue! CW didn't loose the game, Corwin Brown didn't loose the game the players executed poorly. They had a bad game and still almost won. This program isn't going to turn around over night and changing coaches every other year or promoting coacing instability really does wonders for your recruiting.......so stop the fire CW whining and be a supportive FAN!

 

[Riddickulous]

WHY DOES EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD LOVE KELLY ? CINCY PLAYS NO ONE ALL CAN THINK
ABOUT HOW CINCY HAS BEAT DOWN LAST YEAR IN THE BOWL GAME .

Because he wins wherever he goes with inferior talent.

 

[peredonov]

Charlie Strong. DEFENSE.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

Charlie Weis............You guys are nuts.......A new coach now? you will loose more then just recruits and players....Knowone wants to coach here and have a blowtorch up they're ass 24-7 Leave the Fk'n guy alone let him FINISH the job. I BELIEVE BILL BELICHICK WAS THE CLEVELAND BROWNS COACH, IM SURE....THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE HIM NOW.
Give this BS a rest







KEEP THE FAITH !!!

GO IRISH !!!

What exactly is letting him finish the job? Give him a lifetime contract and let him retire when he wants to?

Hes already graduated his own recruiting class, and hes won absolutely nothing here as our coach in the last 5 seasons. Bob Davie equally accomplished nothing and so did Ty during their stints as HC.

Bill Belichick was the HC of the Cleveland Browns, nobody could foresee that he could go to New England and win 3 Super Bowl's. However if you can't get your job done while at your job, it is not your former employer's fault when you go elsewhere and work harder.

 

[Iron Machine]

We dont need Charlie at all.

Seriously Charlie is an upgrade over Ty & Bob, however if we are going to be on the level of the actual Elites in college football we need to make a Good hire. Not another B list hire and hope they can exceed expectations in 7+ years.

If we fire Charlie and hire someone who has a good reputation with coaching, recruiting, and building a program up we wont have to sit around and complaining about mediocrity like we have been doing for the last 3 years. If the administration went out and brought in someone like Brian Kelly, or Urban Meyer, or Mark Richt, or Les Miles do you believe they would underachieve like Charlie Weis has while at Notre Dame?

This is not about the football program, we are capable of being an elite team once again, the problem is we haven't made the right hire and we've suffered the last 10 years because of it.

Brian Kelly hasn't really done anything, hes won 1 Big Least title and might, not guaranteed win another. Mark Richt is an absolutely horrendous coach, who hasn't really ever been in the national championship picture, and only wins the east only when there is really no other contender (i.e. florida and Tennessee on bad year.). Les Miles would never come. That being said get ready for all the media to start throwing Urban Meyer's name at Notre Dame any chance they get.

 

[chyrspchuck]

I have always, always said, 2010 is the year. I guessed 2 or 3 losses. We have to win the next 3 weeks. 10-3 with a bowl win is not that bad. I understand it's not what some of you would like, but College Football in todays environment it is very difficult to go undefeated. Do I like a loss to Navy, Mich, no. Do I tolerate because I think we will be much worse without Charlie and with Brian Kelly getting his first shot at a big time school Yes.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

We dont need Charlie at all.

Seriously Charlie is an upgrade over Ty & Bob, however if we are going to be on the level of the actual Elites in college football we need to make a Good hire. Not another B list hire and hope they can exceed expectations in 7+ years.

If we fire Charlie and hire someone who has a good reputation with coaching, recruiting, and building a program up we wont have to sit around and complaining about mediocrity like we have been doing for the last 3 years. If the administration went out and brought in someone like Brian Kelly, or Urban Meyer, or Mark Richt, or Les Miles do you believe they would underachieve like Charlie Weis has while at Notre Dame?

This is not about the football program, we are capable of being an elite team once again, the problem is we haven't made the right hire and we've suffered the last 10 years because of it.

A majority of ND nation does not want Urban Meyer. Whether they feel he dicked ND around too much or those who follow recruiting knows hes a jackass, most dont want him.

 

[devolg]

Love or hate CW, anybody with half the sense God promised a goose knows it's a step in the wrong direction.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

I love it when we loose a game and all the YAHOOS come out of the wood work yelling fire CW! Here's an idea get a clue! CW didn't loose the game, Corwin Brown didn't loose the game the players executed poorly. They had a bad game and still almost won. This program isn't going to turn around over night and changing coaches every other year or promoting coacing instability really does wonders for your recruiting.......so stop the fire CW whining and be a supportive FAN!

We haven't fired a coach in 5 years, your acting as if we've changed coaches every single season.

Most people on here have completely blinded themselves from reality and its pretty sad to see that, Charlie has been here for 5 seasons. This is his team, you can't continue to blame Ty, this is Charlie Weis' regime and he has control. We have not accomplished anything other than a Hawaii Bowl in 5 years under Charlie Weis, when you think about that without your Charlie blinders you'd understand why us "yahoos" want him gone and want a regime change.

If you actually believe our recruiting would be hurt by replacing Charlie you must truly be uninformered considering our program and legacy, which most kids have to Google to understand, recruits itself. The better the spokesman for the program, the better our recruiting is.

 

[Skuch22]

We fire weis say bye bye to all the recruits all the players and say hello to another 15-20 years of suck the players aren't there for ND they are there because of weis. Ask golden tate y hes there.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

A majority of ND nation does not want Urban Meyer. Whether they feel he dicked ND around too much or those who follow recruiting knows hes a jackass, most dont want him.

I dont think he would leave Florida considering how his success there has made him untouchable, unless major NCAA sanctions.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

For all those who want Weis gone tomorrow, please answer me this.

1) Who is better and available?

2) Who the hell wants this job and is more than qualified?

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

We fire weis say bye bye to all the recruits all the players and say hello to another 15-20 years of suck the players aren't there for ND they are there because of weis. Ask golden tate y hes there.

Really?
Really?

You think firing a coach with a 35-24 record in 5 years at Notre Dame is going to set our program back 15-20 years?

Are you 12? Or are you somehow related to Charlie Weis or one of the cronies hes hired as an assistant?

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

1) Who is better and available?

Ask yourself that question also while you're at it.

The list starts with Brian Kelly, andybody else at this point is all talk until the wallets open up.

2) Who the hell wants this job and is more than qualified?

What qualified Charlie to be our HC?

Im pretty sure there are plenty of HC's who would want this job, the problem is we wouldn't want someone who hasn't accomplished or proven anything at the collegiate level or professional level.

 

[Skuch22]

Really?
Really?

You think firing a coach with a 35-24 record in 5 years at Notre Dame is going to set our program back 15-20 years?

Are you 12? Or are you somehow related to Charlie Weis or one of the cronies hes hired as an assistant?

r u retarted or 5 years old? a coach needs more than 5 years to be successfull. players go there because he worked in the nfl. u kno nothing go back to kindergarten u just got schooled

 

[IrishAddiction]

Head Coaches job is safe until the end of the season. Once the season is over, then we will talk about this.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

Brian Kelly hasn't really done anything, hes won 1 Big Least title and might, not guaranteed win another. Mark Richt is an absolutely horrendous coach, who hasn't really ever been in the national championship picture, and only wins the east only when there is really no other contender (i.e. florida and Tennessee on bad year.). Les Miles would never come. That being said get ready for all the media to start throwing Urban Meyer's name at Notre Dame any chance they get.

But what has Charlie accomplished?

I would love for someone to tell me what endears him to be held to such a higher standard than other coaches who have at least experienced success.

Last I checked nobody really gave a crap about a Hawaii Bowl trophy? Did we even get a trophy btw? I thought the least they could give us is a bronze pineapple for making the trip.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

We haven't fired a coach in 5 years, your acting as if we've changed coaches every single season.

Most people on here have completely blinded themselves from reality and its pretty sad to see that, Charlie has been here for 5 seasons. This is his team, you can't continue to blame Ty, this is Charlie Weis' regime and he has control. We have not accomplished anything other than a Hawaii Bowl in 5 years under Charlie Weis, when you think about that without your Charlie blinders you'd understand why us "yahoos" want him gone and want a regime change.

If you actually believe our recruiting would be hurt by replacing Charlie you must truly be uninformered considering our program and legacy, which most kids have to Google to understand, recruits itself. The better the spokesman for the program, the better our recruiting is.

Okay, nobody on this board has mentioned we are losing games because of Ty, not for a while.

Charlie came in and led ND to two BCS bowl games, we lost horribly in both of them, but if you asked anybody that knows College Football if ND would be in a BCS bowl game the year before they were, everybody would say HELL NO, NOT A CHANCE IN HELL. We have been mediocre for years, we are recruiting studs, thats more than Ty and Bob can say. (People have compared Charlie to both coaches.)

Recruiting will take a step back. Charlie goes, we lose great recruiters. Charlie, Corwin Brown, Bernie Parmalee, and others. You can kiss Chris Martin goodbye, and any chance we had with Prater, Henderson, Barr, Ferguson, Linder, Joyner, etc.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

Head Coaches job is safe until the end of the season. Once the season is over, then we will talk about this.

Obviously.

I definetly dont want him gone now, recruiting isn't as important as it becomes in December/January, and I dont want to see any of our assistants promoted to interim HC only for our clingy fans to get attached to them if they can somehow finish the season 4-0.

 

[Skuch22]

Im not a CW lover but i am a realist and there is not a coach out there good enough for ND right now. Brian Kelly wow one good season wait a couple years and maybe we should think about him being at ND

 

[IHateMarkMay]

But what has Charlie accomplished?

I would love for someone to tell me what endears him to be held to such a higher standard than other coaches who have at least experienced success.

Last I checked nobody really gave a crap about a Hawaii Bowl trophy? Did we even get a trophy btw? I thought the least they could give us is a bronze pineapple for making the trip.

Umm.... Chip Kelly won the international bowl against Western Michigan two years ago.... other than that? Bueller..?? Bueller..?? Bueller..??

 

[irishfan]

Umm.... Chip Kelly won the international bowl against Western Michigan two years ago.... other than that? Bueller..?? Bueller..?? Bueller..??

Kinda funny how Brian Kelly he beat Western Michigan during the regular season with Central Michigan, then went to Cincy and beat Western Michigan again in the bowl game.

 

[OHIOIRISH74]

Because he wins wherever he goes with inferior talent.

YOU FORGOT HE WINS WITH THUGS THAT DON'T GRADUATE

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

Okay, nobody on this board has mentioned we are losing games because of Ty, not for a while.

Sorry, if Charlie isn't to blame who is? The players? But I thought he is such a great recruiter, it couldn't possibly be them.

Charlie came in and led ND to two BCS bowl games, we lost horribly in both of them, but if you asked anybody that knows College Football if ND would be in a BCS bowl game the year before they were, everybody would say HELL NO, NOT A CHANCE IN HELL. We have been mediocre for years, we are recruiting studs, thats more than Ty and Bob can say. (People have compared Charlie to both coaches.)

So how long can you expect to give Charlie credit for 2 back-to-back BCS losses in his first 2 seasons? Do you believe that that gives him free reign to continue the trend of mediocrity while providing fans like yourself with false hope for the future through improved recruiting compared to the 8 years before he arrived?

If we are recruiting studs, why aren't we developing these guys on the college level, and then for them to at least become professionals?

I love Golden Tate, I love Sam Young, I love Kyle Rudolph, but if we are bringing in all these studs why are so many not reaching their potential as players and why aren't we reaching our potential as a team. Thats where coaching plays a huge role, Charlie can bring these guys in but we don't improve as a team because of it. Even Bob Davie took us to a Fiesta Bowl with a team loaded with what we'd consider now as subpar talent.

Recruiting will take a step back. Charlie goes, we lose great recruiters. Charlie, Corwin Brown, Bernie Parmalee, and others. You can kiss Chris Martin goodbye, and any chance we had with Prater, Henderson, Barr, Ferguson, Linder, Joyner, etc.

If recent high profile coaching changes are any indicator, you're completely wrong with your expectations.

Michigan after Lloyd Carr, Tennessee after Phil Fulmer, Auburn after Tubbs, each school with a replacement and a new sense of optimism for the program under a new regime fueled their recruiting and each school finished strong after their coaching change.

I HIGHLY DOUBT any new coach would come in and drop the ball after immediately taking over, espescially with the spotlight on the job.

 

[Iron Machine]

Okay, nobody on this board has mentioned we are losing games because of Ty, not for a while.

Charlie came in and led ND to two BCS bowl games, we lost horribly in both of them, but if you asked anybody that knows College Football if ND would be in a BCS bowl game the year before they were, everybody would say HELL NO, NOT A CHANCE IN HELL. We have been mediocre for years, we are recruiting studs, thats more than Ty and Bob can say. (People have compared Charlie to both coaches.)

Recruiting will take a step back. Charlie goes, we lose great recruiters. Charlie, Corwin Brown, Bernie Parmalee, and others. You can kiss Chris Martin goodbye, and any chance we had with Prater, Henderson, Barr, Ferguson, Linder, Joyner, etc.

Recruiting can't be a valid argument in keeping Charlie. Charlie has recruited monstrously the past 4 years and had the #1 recruiting class according to rivals in Floyd's year. The problem with Charlie is he can't coach them up. He coaches like he's coaching an NFL team, where their paycheck is their motivation. Our players are never pumped up to play unless were playing USC. Look at our defense, we have a five star and tons of 4 stars and they play like they don't know what to do. Our defensive recruits are not football smart, they don't know what the fuck they're doing half the time. And so what Corwin is a great recruiter, he can't coach the defensive backs if The Lord himself came down and helped him. I could throw for 300 yards against them, thats how bad they are. Charlie's been here long enough and needs to go, who's to say that the coach we bring in won't be good at recruiting. Look at Lane Kiffin last year, he managed to salvage the Tennessee recruiting class and finished with like the 6th highest class.

 

[DomeX2 eNVy]

Chip Kelly is Oregon's coach. He beat USC - that is a good qualification in my book. Brian Kelly is Cincy's. Both good, but I'd go with Chip.

How come nobody's throwing Gary Patteron's name in there? I think he'd get strong consideration and would win quickly and for a long time.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Sorry, if Charlie isn't to blame who is? The players? But I thought he is such a great recruiter, it couldn't possibly be them.


So how long can you expect to give Charlie credit for 2 back-to-back BCS losses in his first 2 seasons? Do you believe that that gives him free reign to continue the trend of mediocrity while providing fans like yourself with false hope for the future through improved recruiting compared to the 8 years before he arrived?

If we are recruiting studs, why aren't we developing these guys on the college level, and then for them to at least become professionals?

I love Golden Tate, I love Sam Young, I love Kyle Rudolph, but if we are bringing in all these studs why are so many not reaching their potential as players and why aren't we reaching our potential as a team. Thats where coaching plays a huge role, Charlie can bring these guys in but we don't improve as a team because of it. Even Bob Davie took us to a Fiesta Bowl with a team loaded with what we'd consider now as subpar talent.


If recent high profile coaching changes are any indicator, you're completely wrong with your expectations.

Michigan after Lloyd Carr, Tennessee after Phil Fulmer, Auburn after Tubbs, each school with a replacement and a new sense of optimism for the program under a new regime fueled their recruiting and each school finished strong after their coaching change.

I HIGHLY DOUBT any new coach would come in and drop the ball after immediately taking over, espescially with the spotlight on the job.

I did not say he has free reign, we had a bad game. They happen to all teams. Period.

You are asking the wrong person, ask the players. Personally I have seen an improvement with the offensive players, the ones you love so much, from last year to this year.

You haven't been following recruiting lately have you? All of those guys are wavering on ND because Charlie might not be here next year. It has nothing to do with Tennessee, Michigan, Auburn, or any other school, just the recruits.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Recruiting can't be a valid argument in keeping Charlie. Charlie has recruited monstrously the past 4 years and had the #1 recruiting class according to rivals in Floyd's year. The problem with Charlie is he can't coach them up. He coaches like he's coaching an NFL team, where their paycheck is their motivation. Our players are never pumped up to play unless were playing USC. Look at our defense, we have a five star and tons of 4 stars and they play like they don't know what to do. Our defensive recruits are not football smart, they don't know what the fuck they're doing half the time. And so what Corwin is a great recruiter, he can't coach the defensive backs if The Lord himself came down and helped him. I could throw for 300 yards against them, thats how bad they are. Charlie's been here long enough and needs to go, who's to say that the coach we bring in won't be good at recruiting. Look at Lane Kiffin last year, he managed to salvage the Tennessee recruiting class and finished with like the 6th highest class.

Okay, if recruiting isn't a valid argument... Let's hire Ty Willingham who would rather play golf than recruit. If it isn't a big deal and all.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

Umm.... Chip Kelly won the international bowl against Western Michigan two years ago.... other than that? Bueller..?? Bueller..?? Bueller..??

2 years ago Chip Kelly was the OC at Oregon.

Have you been drinking after the loss?

If you're referring to Brian Kelly, the current HC of Cincy, he did win the International Bowl over Western Michigan 3 years ago. And after doing so in his first game hes built a mediocre program of Cincy football into a National Contendor with what some people here would consider inferior talent to that of ours.

Not to mention in 3 years he built the CMU program to the point where it could become a top program in the MAC, while recruiting Dan LeFevour to the program.

Not to mention he completely built the GVSU football program from the bottom basically in Division II and his success laid the groundwork for his successor to succeed at GVSU in D2.

 

[I Dont Miss Charlie]

Okay, if recruiting isn't a valid argument... Let's hire Ty Willingham who would rather play golf than recruit. If it isn't a big deal and all.

But we aren't going to hire Ty, so why are you whining.

Charlie has improved recruiting over Ty's tenure, but that doesn't mean it can't improve with a better coach in charge.