Gerad Parker - Troy Head Coach :)

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It certainly has the potential -- with a worse OL, no Estime, and potentially worse QB situation -- to be a BVG 2016 style failure next year. 2015 everyone was like "oh well it's OK the team still had a good year and..." ... well, then the wheels fell off the bus without Jaylon Smith and some of the other ballers who were covering up for major scheme issues.
I’d love a candid moment we’ll never get where Freeman lays out the argument for running it back when we saw what Parker did with better talent against the best on our schedule. Weaken the title-caliber defense and replace NFL rookies at the most important spots with unproven players and make it make sense to me.
 

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It certainly has the potential -- with a worse OL, no Estime, and potentially worse QB situation -- to be a BVG 2016 style failure next year. 2015 everyone was like "oh well it's OK the team still had a good year and..." ... well, then the wheels fell off the bus without Jaylon Smith and some of the other ballers who were covering up for major scheme issues.
I thought the interior OL was an underdiscussed problem this season. It sure seems like it got better after 2 starters were replaced.
 

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The reason it "works" in the Big Ten is that none of the other teams except Ohio State have anything resembling a competent offense. If you know the other team cannot score, then you can run hyper-conservative offense and win in the Big Ten. Iowa is just a more extreme version of Michigan. They won 10 games this year despite an offense ranked 124th (!!!) in advanced stats on offense. That would never happen in the SEC, PAC12, or Big 12.

The problem with that thinking for ND is that ND doesn't play in the Big 10. They play against a lot of different styles, and against an offense with any kind of explosive play ability + solid defense you can get in big trouble if you make mistakes and need to play from behind. That's exactly what happened in ND's two "bad" losses. Against NC State, it was the opposite where NC State blinked first and turned the ball over.

If ND is set on being "pro style" they should try their ass off to get a Bill O'Brien / Monken type who runs a legit NFL scheme. Right now they are closer to Brian Ferentz than Monken. Ironically, Gino is a pretty good OC with a solid track record and he's already on staff. Rudolph has had some solid results, too. But they panic handed the keys to the least qualified guy.
Billy and Craig give me hope for the OL next year I’m guessing the OL will be
LT. Fisher hopefully he stays if not Wagner
LG. Coogan
Center. Craig
RG. BS
RT. Jagusah
 

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I think it works just fine. But you need to have the ability to throw effectively. Also, Notre Dame isn't likely to get the kids they need to imitate LSU '19 or Alabama '20 (apologies if I got the years wrong)
That what's worrisome right there... Without changing up O style and OC, does that hurt our chances to get the right recruits and transfers to build such an exciting O?
 

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Not sure how much that CFB Watcher guy on Twitter just regurgitates what he reads on message boards, but he said today that the Gino / Parker Co-OC thing for next year is a real possibility. Which might be fine, and it's what I alluded to during the bye week, but it shouldn't have taken the Clemson loss to realize that Parker had no idea how to scheme a passing game or use play action.
It shouldn’t have but our HC is extremely inexperienced as well and does not know offense well
 

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That what's worrisome right there... Without changing up O style and OC, does that hurt our chances to get the right recruits and transfers to build such an exciting O?
That’s my concern. ND got Hartman by selling the idea of going under center and running an “NFL style” offense. That slaes pitch has a pretty limited appeal, I think.
 

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BK era all over again. Won’t fire his friend that’s not an efficient coach. Parker has proven he isn’t good. Go hire some that is and that can recruit. Again if true I really need to adjust my expectations of ND football.
If I was a young coach my mindset would be to always get the best OC and DC available each year.
Similar to what they do with the portal looking at whether they can upgrade.
There is no way that Parker is the best available.
 

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Should 100% try to get Kristofic back. He can come in cold for at least 3 spots and not get you blown up. That is way more valuable then I am afraid the staff may realize
He got blown up his very first play in then did ok after
 

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Simple question to freeman if he retains Parker… “you always talk about looking to upgrade your roster anyway possible, why did you not upgrade your coaching staff when there was obvious major deficiencies?”
Like BK did.
 

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100% agree with everything you said, especially this. Succeeding and winning it all with this type of offense is the exception and not the norm.

I’m losing faith that we will ever be there in wanting to play as an innovative offense, which blows my mind given the state of CFB. Feels like Harbaugh ball has been the type of offense we’ve been trying to implement for over a decade now. TE U, strong oline, but never electric on the outside.

Aside from maybe Georgia last year, most national championship teams (and contenders) have a prolific suite of pass catchers. Sure, they can run the ball too, but I think of recent contenders and I think of Ja’Marr Chase, Justin Jefferson, Olave and Garrett Wilson and JSN. Go back further and you’ll find studs like Deandre Hopkins, Sammy Watkins, and many that I’m probably forgetting.

When you’re a ground and pound team, fall behind against competition and you’re in trouble. With a prolific passing offense, you’re always in the game. The worst thing we can do is further commit to running old school, 90s type offense.

I’d take a slight dip in TE and OLine prioritization for an equal increase in WR and QB prioritization. I think most of us would.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but if we accept that you need a prolific passing offense to win championships, then we need to accept Notre Dame will never win a championship.

If we can guarantee there’s 1-2 Cam Williams in the Chicagoland area that aren’t focused on NIL and want the academic challenge, then maybe we can stockpile the WRs we’d need. But ND’s chasing something it can’t have if it’s trying to beat OSU, USC, Alabama or LSU for the receivers they want.

I think ND needs its own path on offense if it wants to win the games that matter. Maybe that path doesn’t exist.
 

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The reason it "works" in the Big Ten is that none of the other teams except Ohio State have anything resembling a competent offense. If you know the other team cannot score, then you can run hyper-conservative offense and win in the Big Ten. Iowa is just a more extreme version of Michigan. They won 10 games this year despite an offense ranked 124th (!!!) in advanced stats on offense. That would never happen in the SEC, PAC12, or Big 12.

The problem with that thinking for ND is that ND doesn't play in the Big 10. They play against a lot of different styles, and against an offense with any kind of explosive play ability + solid defense you can get in big trouble if you make mistakes and need to play from behind. That's exactly what happened in ND's two "bad" losses. Against NC State, it was the opposite where NC State blinked first and turned the ball over.

If ND is set on being "pro style" they should try their ass off to get a Bill O'Brien / Monken type who runs a legit NFL scheme. Right now they are closer to Brian Ferentz than Monken. Ironically, Gino is a pretty good OC with a solid track record and he's already on staff. Rudolph has had some solid results, too. But they panic handed the keys to the least qualified guy.
Without pouring over every teams coaching roster, the one name that sticks out is Darrell Bevell. No idea if he’d consider the college game but also no idea if he’d be consider for an NFL OC position anytime soon. He’s in year two in Miami with Mike McDaniel. Take his loads of OC experience with what he’s learned from McDaniel and MF wouldn’t have to babysit the offensive side of the ball.
 

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Without pouring over every teams coaching roster, the one name that sticks out is Darrell Bevell. No idea if he’d consider the college game but also no idea if he’d be consider for an NFL OC position anytime soon. He’s in year two in Miami with Mike McDaniel. Take his loads of OC experience with what he’s learned from McDaniel and MF wouldn’t have to babysit the offensive side of the ball.
Anyone from the shanahan tree is an automatic no brainer.
 

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If Gino and Parker make a good duo and that's what we roll with, at least it's better than what we rolled with this year.

Just trying to be optimistic.
 

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Like BK did.
If you want to relive Kelly’s mistakes have at it… I don’t, freeman can’t survive 3 bad years in a row. That could happen without drastically improved coaching as we lose our good qb and possibly top 2 olinemen
 

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So many teams are down this year or at least beatable, the playoffs could really be anyone's game. Such a shame we had a championship level defense, a proven QB with a decent line, great RB room, and a talented but banged up WR group. We really could have made a legit shot in the playoffs, Porker blew it.
I say the people who are responsible for hiring Parker are to blame for this blown season. Freeman and Savvy Jack. But hey the hire “was within budget.”
 

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It certainly has the potential -- with a worse OL, no Estime, and potentially worse QB situation -- to be a BVG 2016 style failure next year. 2015 everyone was like "oh well it's OK the team still had a good year and..." ... well, then the wheels fell off the bus without Jaylon Smith and some of the other ballers who were covering up for major scheme issues.
This is my biggest concern. Good players masking terrible development/scheme/wtc. We have players like Hartman who had good seasons and people think they suck. They don’t suck. The system sucks. Put players that actually aren’t as good in this position and we’ll really see what suck is.

It’s precisely what happened in 2016.

Simple question to freeman if he retains Parker… “you always talk about looking to upgrade your roster anyway possible, why did you not upgrade your coaching staff when there was obvious major deficiencies?”
It would really put into question, again, Freeman’s mantra of “challenge everything”. Sadly, too many examples of the contrary.
 

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BK era all over again. Won’t fire his friend that’s not an efficient coach. Parker has proven he isn’t good. Go hire some that is and that can recruit. Again if true I really need to adjust my expectations of ND football.
You should adjust your expectations regardless of the Parker fiasco. This Program / BOT is content with being a Top 20 program. Their National Title Mandate is total lip service bullshit to sell tix to gullible ticket holders.
 

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The reason it "works" in the Big Ten is that none of the other teams except Ohio State have anything resembling a competent offense. If you know the other team cannot score, then you can run hyper-conservative offense and win in the Big Ten. Iowa is just a more extreme version of Michigan. They won 10 games this year despite an offense ranked 124th (!!!) in advanced stats on offense. That would never happen in the SEC, PAC12, or Big 12.

The problem with that thinking for ND is that ND doesn't play in the Big 10. They play against a lot of different styles, and against an offense with any kind of explosive play ability + solid defense you can get in big trouble if you make mistakes and need to play from behind. That's exactly what happened in ND's two "bad" losses. Against NC State, it was the opposite where NC State blinked first and turned the ball over.

If ND is set on being "pro style" they should try their ass off to get a Bill O'Brien / Monken type who runs a legit NFL scheme. Right now they are closer to Brian Ferentz than Monken. Ironically, Gino is a pretty good OC with a solid track record and he's already on staff. Rudolph has had some solid results, too. But they panic handed the keys to the least qualified guy.
The B1G West has been one of the worst divisions in college football for nearly a decade. Wisconsin had a run of being a decent ground and pound team who lost the plot against prolific offenses. Since they took a step back in 2018 that half of the conference has been terrible.
 

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It’s Freeman’s job and future not mine. But it was SOOOO bad even if its 100% better its not nearly good enough. Hartman coming into the season gave a reason for excitement and hope. If going into next year how is there any excitement with more of the same. Even if they get the best transfer qb it would be fair to assume it would just be wasted again.
 

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It’s Freeman’s job and future not mine. But it was SOOOO bad even if its 100% better its not nearly good enough. Hartman coming into the season gave a reason for excitement and hope. If going into next year how is there any excitement with more of the same. Even if they get the best transfer qb it would be fair to assume it would just be wasted again.
With you. I'll say it again - it'll be 2016 all over, only on the other side of the ball.

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