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Lol. We came in very late. Let’s just say the Russians had the Germans stymied by that point. Although our manufacturing of war weapons gave allies a big shot to the arm.
 

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Lol. We came in very late. Let’s just say the Russians had the Germans stymied by that point. Although our manufacturing of war weapons gave allies a big shot to the arm.
They were cooked without us

Lend-Lease Program:
The United States, through the Lend-Lease Act, provided the Soviet Union with critical supplies, including:


  • Vehicles: Over 400,000 jeeps and trucks
  • Aircraft: 14,000 airplanes

  • Tanks: 13,000 tanks

  • Tractors: 8,000 tractors

  • Food: 4.5 million tons of food

  • Petroleum Products: 2.7 million tons of petroleum products

  • Other Materials: Millions of blankets, uniforms, and boots, along with 107,000 tons of cotton
 

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Pfft. Nice Quora search. Without Russian men fighting Germans back weapon’s wouldn’t have mattered. It comes down to man power eventually
 

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The French generals were panicking and didn't have the stomach to fight. They could have stopped it cold had they simply followed the Brits advice. They surrendered within 6 weeks.

British generals were so disgusted that they physically assaulted their French counterparts by punching them and told then to eff off and that they would fight on without them.
 

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Pfft. Nice Quora search. Without Russian men fighting Germans back weapon’s wouldn’t have mattered. It comes down to man power eventually

American steel
British intelligence
Russian blood
 

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The MAGA bots on Twitter have been pro going to war with Iran the past couple days. In the past the bots are normally programed to start pushing agendas before they happen.

This is my own opinion from what I noticed in the past, I have no links or websites to back me up.
 

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The MAGA bots on Twitter have been pro going to war with Iran the past couple days. In the past the bots are normally programed to start pushing agendas before they happen.

This is my own opinion from what I noticed in the past, I have no links or websites to back me up.
Most of MAGA world I have seen has been anti-engagement with the Houthis and Iran. I think the coalition is a bit messy on ME policy to be honest
 

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Let Europe take care of Russia on their own. We will take care of China. Rather than trying to maintain a military ready to deter both, just focus our instruments of national power to deter one. It’s easy for the Europeans to bitch and moan about us not doing enough to win Ukrainian territory back and trying to end the war when they won’t bother to foot the bill themselves though they have the most to lose.

Tbf EU has given 15 billion more to Ukraine than the US


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Tbf EU has given 15 billion more to Ukraine than the US


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True, the numbers get a little bit convoluted depending on how far back you look, if you count money that is spent on Ukrainian refugee resettlement efforts (about $131B of Europe’s aid contribution), or if you count pledged money that has not actually gone to Ukraine but theoretically will in the future. Generally speaking, The US has spent more in direct military aid for munitions and weapons systems, but Europe has spent more humanitarian aid into Ukraine.
 

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I don’t think this is necessarily a bad idea. If the purpose of NATO is to deter Russian aggression in Europe and our military footprint is starting to shift to the Indo Pacific, it would naturally follow that we vacate SACEUR and have a supreme allied commander from a European power. I think we are definitely overdue for a UCP rewrite and will probably see some major consolidation that makes sense (putting AFRICOM back into EUCOM like it was until 2007, potentially shifting HOA responsibility to CENTCOM, combining NORTH and SOUTHCOM, etc.)
 
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I don’t think this is necessarily a bad idea. If the purpose of NATO is to deter Russian aggression in Europe and our military footprint is starting to shift to the Indo Pacific, it would naturally follow that we vacate SACEUR and have a supreme allied commander from a European power. I think we are definitely overdue for a UCP rewrite and will probably see some major consolidation that makes sense (putting AFRICOM back into EUCOM like it was until 2007, potentially shifting HOA responsibility to CENTCOM, combining NORTH and SOUTHCOM, etc.)
I appreciate the insight. I hang out over here a lot to learn about things like this that I'm not familiar with. I didn't see this posted so I thought I'd see what others thoughts were. I don't like the idea of us voluntarily removing ourselves from power positions in the world, but I'm not super well informed into the nuance of it all.
 

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I appreciate the insight. I hang out over here a lot to learn about things like this that I'm not familiar with. I didn't see this posted so I thought I'd see what others thoughts were. I don't like the idea of us voluntarily removing ourselves from power positions in the world, but I'm not super well informed into the nuance of it all.
I’ve stated before in this thread, but I think my opinion is definitely less status quo, but it’s certainly not without its significant cons. I think Toronto pointed out, there are a lot of huge downsides that the average isolationist American doesn’t realize we would incur by withdrawing from the world stage.

Economically and diplomatically, there is a great benefit from the global footprint that we have militarily. We can quickly respond to crises around the world, our currency is important, and we as a nation can dictate global affairs to an extent no nation has ever been able to in the history of mankind. It’s something that a lot of people in America think as being innate and not something that we pay for to the tune of nearly a trillion dollars a year in military spending alone. I think it would be a huge shock to their average American if we withdrew from our global force presentation militarily and then our former military partners in the world stop giving a shit about what we think.

I’m not a complete isolationist, but I think the post Cold War neo conservatism has strategically stretched Us out far too thin, and we have strategically lost the ball on directly countering China strategically. Everyone sort of expects the US to respond to any global crisis, because for the past 80 years we have.
 

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I’m not a complete isolationist, but I think the post Cold War neo conservatism has strategically stretched Us out far too thin, and we have strategically lost the ball on directly countering China strategically. Everyone sort of expects the US to respond to any global crisis, because for the past 80 years we have.
What do you suggest the US does to counter China's moves? They have pretty much done whatever they have wanted the past 10 years or so. Wouldn't limiting our footprint around the globe just broadcast that we are no longer interested in force deterrence?
 

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What do you suggest the US does to counter China's moves? They have pretty much done whatever they have wanted the past 10 years or so. Wouldn't limiting our footprint around the globe just broadcast that we are no longer interested in force deterrence?
Much smaller force presence in the EUCOM AOR, shrink the size of the Army to support a larger Navy and Air Force, invest the Army’s savings to develop better hypersonic missiles and hypersonic missile defense, shift naval forces to Guam and Hawaii, work out an additional Forward Deployed Naval Forces presence in INDOPACOM (ideally Australia), invest in a CG-Next platform (ideally something like the San Antonio class hull form due to its excess hull capacity for power generation growth to support more powerful Ballistic Missile Defense radar systems than we currently have). Just a couple of spitball ideas.

It’s less about decreasing the overall global footprint, and more so about more acutely applying our posture and strategic procurement to effectively deter the PRC.
 
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