Football factory "disease"

GoldenToTheGrave

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Going off the "over-signing" thread in relation to South Carolina:

While this board often bemoans how hard it can be producing a top tier football program with the admissions/academic restrictions we face, the grass isn't always greener. With the exception of the Alabama's and LSU's (you could arguably put FSU, Southern Cal, etc in there) who can be stocked at most positions, practices like oversigning and taking JuCo's are far from panaceas in building deep and talent rosters. There are also considerable downsides to going the "football factory" route, which even the Alabama's and LSU's haven't completely been able to overcome despite the level of NFL talent they have. These are:

(1) When you have no recruiting standards except what shows up on the field, you're going to get more washouts, transfers, arrests, etc. While permissive environments in most football factory schools protect most players outside to most egregious cases, the impact is still non-trivial.

(2) Recruiting "Football first" players are also usually on the 3 year plan, which consequently leads to perpetually "talented but inexperienced" rosters. See: LSU for the last three years. While having elite athletes on the field is vital, so is leadership and effective role players. In a lot of football factories these elements are constantly in flux.

I'm not going to rehash "RKG's" debate, but there is little doubt that recruiting good program players that fit off the field and on are valuable. Between freshman growing pains, injuries, and announcing early for the NFL, most teams are lucky to get 1-2 good seasons of play from 5* elite talents. Meanwhile teams like Stanford and Michigan State have been powerhouses in recent years based off savvy veteran squads stocked with players in it for the long haul. There are obviously arguments both ways but lowering standards is certainly a mixed bag.
 

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Relative to ND, we've definitely made moves in the right direction in terms of loosening up somewhat arbitrary restrictions which have hurt us in the past. Opening up to transfers at least on a limited basis to transfers has already paid dividends with Riggs being the only thing preventing our DB situation from being a complete disaster this year. Admissions seems to finally have warmed up to the idea of JuCo transfers, even if it'll probably remain a very rare occurrence. Things like the language requirement are still somewhat painful and have turned plenty of talent away, and would likely be beneficial for the program if loosened. The strides the administration has made has probably been worth at least a few games a year since the beginning of BK's tenure.
 

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One of the "football factories" you listed have won 4 of the last 5 titles, and one could easily lump Auburn in with them to make it 5 for 5. What they're doing is clearly working......
 

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One of the "football factories" you listed have won 4 of the last 5 titles, and one could easily lump Auburn in with them to make it 5 for 5. What they're doing is clearly working......

So "working" is "wright?"
 

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Kinda like in College B-Ball.

Some teams bring in the 1 and done superstar, it brings great exposure and success, but you have kids at your school for the wrong reasons.

Teams that bring in lesser talent have to be patient when it comes to winning, but your kids are actually there to "play school", and you end up better in the end.
 

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One of the "football factories" you listed have won 4 of the last 5 titles, and one could easily lump Auburn in with them to make it 5 for 5. What they're doing is clearly working......

There are obvious success stories with the football factory model, but just because a team chooses to gut any standards will not turn them into an Alabama. Just look at Miami in recent history.

You can also look at Ole Miss. They had their moment in the sun this year with the best team money could buy (by that I mean stacks of $100 bills), and they just got thrashed 42-3 by a TCU team largely built from players overlooked from the powerhouse Texas teams in high school. And while TCU has been one of the better teams of in CFB for the last decade, Ole Miss will be left largely empty handed once the Laquon Treadwell and Robert Nkemdiche get their golden ticket to the NFL.
 
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Also anybody have any tips on how to fix how the thread title appears on the front page?
 

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There are obvious success stories with the football factory model, but just because a team chooses to gut any standards will not turn them into an Alabama. Just look at Miami in recent history.

You can also look at Ole Miss. They had their moment in the sun this year with the best team money could buy (by that I mean stacks of $100 bills), and they just got thrashed 42-3 by a TCU team largely built from players overlooked from the powerhouse Texas teams in high school. And while TCU has been one of the better teams of in CFB for the last decade, Ole Miss will be left largely empty handed once the Laquon Treadwell and Robert Nkemdiche get their golden ticket to the NFL.

Bingo.

Yes, "football factories" win championships, but that certainly does not mean that turning yourself into a football factory will lead to winning championships. (or, in Auburn's case, it might but it also makes you the Florida Marlins of college football, with great years interspersed with total flameouts).
 
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