Fight On!

[uscfootball93]

Well, you said: Then TerryTate did a little friendly smack talk, and you flipped out and bashed ND.

uhh no, i even said that it was NOT terry tate that i flipped out on, it was Phreak something, go back and read the posts, right after mine is TerryTate, then its the guy who started talkin smack

 

[uscfootball93]

1. And why did the Tings get kicked off the team? FOR STEROIDS. You said the only connection to steroids was Cushing, and that it could have been weed that triggered the positive STEROID test (LOL!!!!), and then you come back with, "Oh, I forgot...but they got kicked off the team so that means SC really didn't have anything to do with steroids." Riiiiiiiight.

2. I know the alumni isn't doing it b/c it hasn't happened as long as I've been a fan. I know it happens at SC b/c you guys got caught. I know that's hard for you to understand, but it's really simple math.

3. The NCAA thinks McNair knew about it...that's all that matters. That was a huge reason for the severe penalties.

4.The special teams 'guy' was an illegal coach. Yeah, Cheetey Peety tried to skirt the rules by calling him a 'consultant' (and you're gullible enough to believe him LOL), but he was on campus helping out your awful special teams...he was a coach, period. The guy wasn't just anyone, he was a special teams guru from the NFL. Right when your compliance office, errrrrr, person, found out about it they put the squash on it. Problem was they didn;t find out until a year too late, when a rival school busted you on it. The NCAA saw it as a "MAJOR INFRACTION", just another example of Cheetey Petey trying to skirt the rules. He even admitted it was a 'mistake' (yeah right, just a mistake):



His 'mistake' was hiring a coach and hiding him as a consultant.

5. Sorry, but Pro Scouts go off of pro potential. Bush had star written all over him. He was picked 2nd in the draft...FAR ahead of where Leinart was picked. As a freshman, he almost rushed for 1000 yds, avg 6.4 yds a carry and had 40+ receptions at an avg of almost 12 yds a pop. And you're trying to tell us that he wasn't a star yet? Are you serious? Leinart was a bigger star at the time, I already granted you that. But to say that Bush wasn't a star and to say that you guys had no clue that pro scouts would be watching him is seriously so pathetic there aren't really any words to properly put into place your incredible stupidity for thinking it true.

In short, you Fail.

The tings, yes i was wrong, i had forgotten about them, but research the Cushing thing, they even said they found HGH in his body, which is NATURALLY produced and can also be triggered by smoking weed.

Yes the ncaa thinks that he may have known, so one guy knowing means that the entire coaching staff and university knew?

I dont believe the NCAA found this as a major infraction, could be wrong, but yea i believe Pete when he says he was only a consultant, sorry for believing in my coach, just like you guys bought into Weis resurrecting your program.

And Bush was drafted ahead of Leinart based off of his 2005 season, not the 04 season.
And bush only rushed for 500 yards rushing his freshman season, not almost 1000. In fact Lendal White and Hershel Dennis were both ahead of him in rushing and were far more consistent, go try to look up videos of Bush in 03 (his freshman year) and he definitely wasn't playing at his 2005 or 2004 level. No doubt, the potential was always there, but he hadn't shown it until 2004 and even then LenDale white had the better stats and Leinart was the bigger prospect.

 

[uscfootball93]

Actually there are ... uscfootball93, expressed it succinctly with:




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ahaha i get what you guys mean now, but like i said just read my arguments for this.

 

[uscfootball93]

...not sure what facts you refer to...I remember you, SC Fan, cracking on ND for not competing for an NC...so of course you were saying that because SC has...

keep in mind, we may not have been competing for NCs, but neither was SC before Poodle...in fact we were regularly kicking your ass Pre-Poodle (99, 00, 01[Poodles first year])

...then comes Pete and the cheating...SC chose to cheat, got nailed for it, and is facing stiff penalties...

You come in here like the cheating didn't happen, and talk shit about competing for NCs as if all were equal...then when you get whacked for it, you whine and attack a kid.

Those are the facts I know...

Look here are the exact quotes:

Phork: "Don't Forget the Sub 1 NC"

uscfootball93: "i dont know how the ruling works with showing off national championships, but i think SC can still claim 11 NC's because of the AP national championship from that year."

how was any of that me talking crap about ND?

terrytate:"Whatever makes you feel better"
uscfootball93:"yea when was was the last time ND even contended for a NC? don't worry i'll wait..."
johnnykills:"USC will meet a very painful next three years"
terrytate:"A simple google search would help give you an answer. I know you're used to being hand-fed, but we can all learn sometime, right?"

Again just smack talk, but then you start in with this:
phgreek:"You guys never get it...You did win, you were a force...but you cheated at every turn...your conduct was so abhorent even the NCAA wanted to stop digging because it feared the damage your conduct would do to the entire landscape of collegiate atheletics...you should have been SMU'd...

As well...If we had a mind to cheat...you really think you'd be able to compete with us...ie you really think USC could compete if it came down to $$$$...come now. I'll admit you guys were awesome at the $$$ game...when no one else was playing it except you...

The question really should be...when will USC actually compete at a high level without committing a crime or violating NCAA regulations. Bush is just the posterchild for an entire decade of criminal behavior and NCAA violations...you think it escapes us that your vaunted D is full of steroid heads and druggies...Say institutional control w/ me...since you probably can't say academic standards, and won't ever be able to...


Bye troll..."

when did i ever start calling ND players criminals and druggies, prior to your post?

 

[uscfootball93]

that U$C shouldn't have to cheat. They are the marquee program west of the Rockies. They have the pick of all the prospects in the hotbed of talent in California. They should be a top 5 team every year without cheating. The school is above average. Yet, the football team takes powder puff classes. They are THE team in L.A. Yet, they take the easy route. The campus is maybe 3 miles from the beach. F 'em they cheat!

again, it was one player on the football team how does that equal ALL the athletes on those teams that Bush wasn't on? how do you explain 2002 when SC destroyed ND, or 2006 when SC destroyed ND, or 2007 when SC destroyed ND, or 2008 when SC destroyed ND or 2009 when SC beat ND? According to the NCAA, all these years SC didn't have a player getting benefits, but yet in each on of these years they competed against the best.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

again, it was one player on the football team how does that equal ALL the athletes on those teams that Bush wasn't on? how do you explain 2002 when SC destroyed ND, or 2006 when SC destroyed ND, or 2007 when SC destroyed ND, or 2008 when SC destroyed ND or 2009 when SC beat ND? According to the NCAA, all these years SC didn't have a player getting benefits, but yet in each on of these years they competed against the best.

From the L.A. Times: "The University recognizes that violations of NCAA rules did occur, especially involving impermissible benefits going to student athletes as well as their friends and families, from unscrupulous sports agents and sports marketers," Todd Dickey, USC's senior vice president of administration, said in a statement on the school's website.

"And we take full responsibility for those violations given that they happened on our watch."


Did you forget about your volleyball and basketball teams?

 

[uscfootball93]

Q.E.D.

USC screwed up. They got caught. Current players are up shit's creek without a paddle. [Not really, since the NFL scouts mine bottom tier programs and could give a shit about character.] Had Bush been tossed out on his ear, as he should have been, other legitimate candidates may have had a shot at the excellent education USC offers, should they have opted to truly take advantage of the opportunity.

USC has no one to blame but itself for whatever damage is being done due to NCAA sanctions.

Some have chosen to transfer or renege on their commitments. Many may think twice before committing. Who knows? Play by the rules and let the chips fall where they may.

Again what have current players done? even the NCAA in all their investigations didn't find anything wrong with current players, so how is that their fault? do i think they should penalize SC? yes, definitely not as bad as they got hit, but they should get a bowl ban for a year and a reduced class for a year, because i agree that they should've tried to tighten up the practices, locker rooms, etc., but that's it. As much as i still support Reggie, do i think some type of penalties should be put on him? YES, he should've been responsible for what he was doing in his off time. Should McNair get penalties (which he has gotten, btw)? Yes, even though it wasn't a guarantee that he knew about everything, he should've been more suspicious. Should Pete Carrol get penalties? No, again he couldn't have known what his players were doing in their off time.

And why should Bush have been tossed out?

 

[uscfootball93]

From the L.A. Times: "The University recognizes that violations of NCAA rules did occur, especially involving impermissible benefits going to student athletes as well as their friends and families, from unscrupulous sports agents and sports marketers," Todd Dickey, USC's senior vice president of administration, said in a statement on the school's website.

"And we take full responsibility for those violations given that they happened on our watch."


Did you forget about your volleyball and basketball teams?

I don't follow basketball or volleyball, i don't know the full story on those, but my comment was referring to the football teams.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

"Like sands in an hourglass....These are the Days of Trojan's Lives."

I'm quickly becoming annoyed with our friend here. It's the same bullshit over and over as he's incapable of facing the fact that Spoiled Children got caught, they rolled the dice, they lost. I don't care how myopic you can be, there is no denying the fact that SC is responsible for their (and I say this with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek) student/athletes and should be hammered for their past transgressions...End of Story. They don't get a bye because they are SC.

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

usc93, So you choose to come on to a website and LIBEL a rival's athlete, in defense of your athlete who has admitted his wrong doing, an administration that has admitted their wrongdoing, has admitted wrongdoing in multiple sports, a school that has pushed out their AD, a head coach who split the scene, an asst. coach who was fired, and you don't know about the basketball and volleyball issues?

You condone Cushing by essentially saying "it was only weed" more or less. Yet you condemn Masoli? Masoli was not found with any stolen goods. Never proven. Police reports said they found less than an ounce of pot in his car. They pulled him over for failing to stop while entering a roadway. Give me a break.

QB Jeremiah Masoli kicked off Oregon Ducks football team - CFB News - FOX Sports on MSN

Can't say I have followed all the details of the Masoli situation, so I could be wrong about...stuff, but I do think he is a fantastic athlete. I think you took a nosedive when you slammed and libeled an athlete in defense of your now admitted ignorance about what you are defending.

 

[ACamp1900]

SC sent their O Line to a JC about five/six years back for basic math... the school NOT Reggie Bush, transfered the class back to SC as college level algebra, and when the NCAA found out they did nothing but give ANOTHER warning.......... yet now the NCAA is some big meanie...

Florida and Bama Do in fact deserve the same treament, but that is no argument FOR SC here... period.


Whine On SC... Whine On.

 

[NDinL.A.]

The tings, yes i was wrong, i had forgotten about them, but research the Cushing thing, they even said they found HGH in his body, which is NATURALLY produced and can also be triggered by smoking weed.

Dude, EVERYONE but USC fans and Cushing's camp knows that he did steroids. The only thing for USC fans is...why lie do you choose to believe? Is it Cushing's fake cancer theory? Is it Cushing's new "I worked out too much, so therefore I tested positive for steroids!" laughable theory? Or is your laughable "It could be weed" theory? Only complete morons believe that he didn't do steroids. Fortunately the NFL doesn't believe his bullshit stories, not even on appeal. Grow up dude...your USC players aren't all saints. If a ND player got busted for steroids, I'd accept it and move on. It's pathetic that you are actually buying his b.s.

Yes the ncaa thinks that he may have known, so one guy knowing means that the entire coaching staff and university knew?

Guess what...he worked for your school! YOU GUYS HIRED HIM! So yes, you're screwed by the actions of your employees. Maybe you shouldn't hire criminals who fight dogs as your RB coach. There's a reason why he isn't working at the school anymore.

I dont believe the NCAA found this as a major infraction, could be wrong, but yea i believe Pete when he says he was only a consultant, sorry for believing in my coach, just like you guys bought into Weis resurrecting your program.

They did find it a major violation. And don't compare Weis to Cheetey. Cheetey was a helluva lot more successful, but Weis did things the right way. He didn't try to skirt the rules by hiring an extra coach and calling him an assistant. He actually read the rules. Go ahead and believe your coach. Just know that he got the fu*k out of Dodge and left you guys holding the bag.

And Bush was drafted ahead of Leinart based off of his 2005 season, not the 04 season.
And bush only rushed for 500 yards rushing his freshman season, not almost 1000. In fact Lendal White and Hershel Dennis were both ahead of him in rushing and were far more consistent, go try to look up videos of Bush in 03 (his freshman year) and he definitely wasn't playing at his 2005 or 2004 level. No doubt, the potential was always there, but he hadn't shown it until 2004 and even then LenDale white had the better stats and Leinart was the bigger prospect.

I gave the 2004 stats, not the 2003 stats. The reason being is because that is when all this shit went down, when USC could have been proactive instead of shunning the NCAA for 5 YEARS. You brought up all these programs in trouble with the NCAA, but failed to respond to the fact that their coaches and ADs are confronting their problems RIGHT AWAY and not waiting 5 years and not calling the NCAA 'jealous' that they're not Trogans. And again, you're too fixated on Leinart. Again, BGD. Do you really think NFL scouts look at teams and say to themselves, "I REALLY like 5-6 of the guys on USC, but I'm only allowed to scout ONE guy, so the rest of them are screwed." I mean, really? Agents, unlike you, realize the astonishing fact that many guys get recruited every year, many times from multiple teams. Oklahoma had FOUR 1st rounders last year alone. It was up to you guys to monitor your future NFL stars, and you guys f'ed it up big time.

Again what have current players done? even the NCAA in all their investigations didn't find anything wrong with current players, so how is that their fault? do i think they should penalize SC? yes, definitely not as bad as they got hit, but they should get a bowl ban for a year and a reduced class for a year, because i agree that they should've tried to tighten up the practices, locker rooms, etc., but that's it. As much as i still support Reggie, do i think some type of penalties should be put on him? YES, he should've been responsible for what he was doing in his off time. Should McNair get penalties (which he has gotten, btw)? Yes, even though it wasn't a guarantee that he knew about everything, he should've been more suspicious. Should Pete Carrol get penalties? No, again he couldn't have known what his players were doing in their off time.

The current players did nothing wrong, other than foolishly choosing a program the whole world knew was about to get busted. But that doesn't matter. The program HAS to be punished for cheating. If not, nothing will stop others from doing the same. One year of punishment is worth it for teams to make several millions for several years while ignoring the rules. You guys got exactly what you deserved. You're just lucky the NCAA didn't look into the Joe McKnight fiasco as well.

One more thing...for years all we heard about was that the Yahoo report was complete bs and it was all lies. Oops!

 

[ACamp1900]

Oh now we are crying for the current squad... tears... here's a look at the difference betwen the two.

old players who got you in this mess--- thug players who chose a thug school because they liked all the free shit, not having to attend real classes and loved seeing snoop dog on the sideline... who ended up getting you all busted

current players--- thug players who chose a thug school because they liked all the free shit, not having to attend real classes and loved seeing snoop dog on the sideline... who would have ended up getting you all busted had it not already happened.


my middle finger is playing a special violin for all the"victums" on SC's current squad....

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

Well, at least SC won't have to face this guy again:

YouTube - Oregon's Jeremiah Masoli 2009 Football Season Highlights

Notice the footwork. Geez. Dude is a total athlete.

 

[ACamp1900]

if JM plays (which it sounds like he will) Ole Miss has a legit shot in the SEC THIS year, unlike this time last year when I said they'd be average at best with Snead...

I can't WAIT to watch him play there because according to the south the Pac 10 can't play D and players like J.M. only do what they do against cream puff defenses... I think he'll light up the SEC's on average... and the spin will be fun to watch.

 

[BGIF]

ahaha i get what you guys mean now, but like i said just read my arguments for this.

By your own acknowledgement you did not know what the thread was about when you started into your smack talk. You can to troll

You were advised before this is not a smack site.

THIS THREAD IS CLOSED.


We have a number of posters that support other programs that are welcome here. Some have been posting for several years. They talk football. You don't.

You're done here.