Damn them Marines tough!!!

[onenybrother]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070223...ist_mugging;_ylt=AlkYMRXETkiLq7UIAzVaSxDMWM0F

 

[notredomer23]

wow. I take pride in hearing that considering one of my grandpas was a marine. when ever i visit him he always makes me salute him and considering he is 70 i cant believe how strong he is. he can bench 200.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

God bless the marines! America owes them so much, and gives so little.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

God bless the marines! America owes them so much, and gives so little.

480 billion last year wasnt enough?

 

[marv81s]

give me a f'n break, are you seriously saying that shit right now??!!

 

[Satans Little Helper]

give me a f'n break, are you seriously saying that shit right now??!!

on top of that we have to give them 245 billion more? It would be better used on public education than what it is going for right now.

 

[marv81s]

sure, lets just cut off the military funds and totally handicap them over there. Screw it, lets just let Iran take over Iraq and really drive up the cost of oil and throw the middle east into total chaos, and wipe Israel off the map, of coarse your probably all for that right, since all the turmoil over there is their fault, and ours.

Cut off miliitary spending?? Unbelievable!!

 

[notdam4]

on top of that we have to give them 245 billion more? It would be better used on public education than what it is going for right now.

You are nothing more than a troll and a flamer... don't hijack this thread for your soapbox rant.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

http://www.federalbudget.com/

on top of it all we have the highest deficit ever with 50% of our spending on Miltary right now. That is absurd! The war on terror is a sham! Just like the war on drugs. It will never be complete. Once we fail in Iraq it will be on to another country. Looks like Iran is in the waiting. I would not put it past GWB to get us into Iran on his way out of the door to ensure that a republican gets voted into office.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

You are nothing more than a troll and a flamer... don't hijack this thread for your soapbox rant.

yeah so i see you believe everything that is spoonfed you too. BAHHHHHHH!

 

[notdam4]

As opposed to you shoving your beliefs down everyones' throats?... anyway I thought I said to get off your soapbox

 

[Satans Little Helper]

sure, lets just cut off the military funds and totally handicap them over there. Screw it, lets just let Iran take over Iraq and really drive up the cost of oil and throw the middle east into total chaos, and wipe Israel off the map, of coarse your probably all for that right, since all the turmoil over there is their fault, and ours.

Cut off miliitary spending?? Unbelievable!!

If you look at history..... i know its a stretch for some people who just believe everything they are told but if you look at history.....you will se ethat all major empires in the world that concentrated too much on the military imploded from within. They spent to much time on things going on outside the empire. ROme ,Greece, Mongols, China, Russia....on and on. The miltary is not the answer. Education and understanding are.

You are putting words into my mouth. We only agigtate it further. Nothing will solve those problems because they result from religous thinking. We only add fuel to the fire by trying to secure oil reserves. Once people start thinking of other people first instead of god things will improve. I gaurantee you that.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

As opposed to you shoving your beliefs down everyones' throats?... anyway I thought I said to get off your soapbox

make me. LOLAY internet toughguy.

how am shoving anything down your throat? I am simply adding another dimension to the conversation. Unpopular speech is till protected i believe. I wonder why it is unpoular BTW!?

 

[marv81s]

http://www.federalbudget.com/

on top of it all we have the highest deficit ever with 50% of our spending on Miltary right now. That is absurd! The war on terror is a sham! Just like the war on drugs. It will never be complete. Once we fail in Iraq it will be on to another country. Looks like Iran is in the waiting. I would not put it past GWB to get us into Iran on his way out of the door to ensure that a republican gets voted into office.

Why blame it on Bush for Iran's actions, they are pretty much instigating it all now. All they have to do is stop pursuing nukes. Simple to me. Not too mention they are supplying supplies to Iraqi's to kill our troops. Seems that they are just asking for an asswhooping. I would think that the rest of the free world would want to stop Iran from pursuing nukes since their leader has made it abbundantly clear what his intentions are. Yeah, he can be reasoned with.

War on terror and war on drugs is comparing apples to oranges, not even in the same barpark. Easy for people on your end of the spectrum to dismiss the war on terror as a sham, but whether you want to admit it or not, we are at war and cutting off funding to the troops in the warzone is not a reasonable solution.

 

[notdam4]

It's not necessarily your speech.. it's your condescending tone, your antagonizing name (which doesn't really bother me but the fact that you do it to get a rise out of people does). You basically come off to me as a burnout philosophy teacher who thinks he is smarter than everyone else. I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you but I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I would like to read some threads without your smart ass comments.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

Why blame it on Bush for Iran's actions, they are pretty much instigating it all now. All they have to do is stop pursuing nukes. Simple to me. Not too mention they are supplying supplies to Iraqi's to kill our troops. Seems that they are just asking for an asswhooping. I would think that the rest of the free world would want to stop Iran from pursuing nukes since their leader has made it abbundantly clear what his intentions are. Yeah, he can be reasoned with.

War on terror and war on drugs is comparing apples to oranges, not even in the same barpark. Easy for people on your end of the spectrum to dismiss the war on terror as a sham, but whether you want to admit it or not, we are at war and cutting off funding to the troops in the warzone is not a reasonable solution.

Thats the difference between someone like me and someone like you. you see a mean to the end. I see an end to the means. How many more conutries are we going to go to and how much more human collateral damage are we going to allow? The war on terror is nothing but the boogey man in in turban. Security is a farce. Just another means of the government not doing what it is supposed to. I personnaly think and have thought for a few decades now that the USAs current foregin policy would weaken us in the end. What happens when our allies are not our allies anymore because of our forieng policy?

So you think that over 50% of our tax dollars to the military is not excessive? How about i put it this way. While we fall more and more behind China and Japan in technology race we only spend a paltry sum of money on education in comparison to the military. you dont see the problem with that?

 

[Satans Little Helper]

It's not necessarily your speech.. it's your condescending tone, your antagonizing name (which doesn't really bother me but the fact that you do it to get a rise out of people does). You basically come off to me as a burnout philosophy teacher who thinks he is smarter than everyone else. I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you but I think I speak for a lot of people when I say I would like to read some threads without your smart ass comments.

Burnout.....hahaha that was cute. I assure you i am not burt. tired of ignorance yes. I am not being asmartass it is just unpopular that is all. I diagree with almost everything that everyone else here posts but hey it is indoctirnation at its finest. Conservative religious dogma is evident in every ones posts here.

 

[notdam4]

http://www.federalbudget.com/

on top of it all we have the highest deficit ever with 50% of our spending on Miltary right now. That is absurd! The war on terror is a sham! Just like the war on drugs. It will never be complete. Once we fail in Iraq it will be on to another country. Looks like Iran is in the waiting. I would not put it past GWB to get us into Iran on his way out of the door to ensure that a republican gets voted into office.

Also you are wrong to try to link this with the deficit because there are a lot more things contributing to that right now than military spending. Social security, medicare and medicaid reforms are needed much more than a reduction in military spending. I don't mind you trying to add another element, but make sure you're not misleading.

 

[Akron Irish]

Burnout.....hahaha that was cute. I assure you i am not burt. tired of ignorance yes. I am not being asmartass it is just unpopular that is all. I diagree with almost everything that everyone else here posts but hey it is indoctirnation at its finest. Conservative religious dogma is evident in every ones posts here.

"Blah, Blah, Blah" You suck

 

[grantland]

Burnout.....hahaha that was cute. I assure you i am not burt. tired of ignorance yes. I am not being asmartass it is just unpopular that is all. I diagree with almost everything that everyone else here posts but hey it is indoctirnation at its finest. Conservative religious dogma is evident in every ones posts here.

Satan:

I am a bit confused. You come on to a "Notre Dame" message board and seem surprised that many of the posters are religious and then you call them ignorant sheep and seem surprised when they get upset. You are certainly enititled to say whatever you want, but to come to an ND cite and post the way you do just seems, well, a little weird.

I certainly believe that everyone is welcome here (including you) as long as it is in the realm of civil, but it is just odd that you come here post the way you do. Frankly, if there were anyone here who agreed with any of your opinions (I know, I know you don't care what anyone else thinks) I would have to believe they would be afraid to express them for fear of being associated with you.

Do you know who "Notre Dame" is?

Odd, just odd.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

Also you are wrong to try to link this with the deficit because there are a lot more things contributing to that right now than military spending. Social security, medicare and medicaid reforms are needed much more than a reduction in military spending. I don't mind you trying to add another element, but make sure you're not misleading.

I am not being misleading. Medicare etc is your opinion. I see a much larger problem with spending that much money on giving terorists more reason to fight us than on educating the ignorant and helping those who cant help themselves. (What would jesus do?) The point is that we are spending over 50% on the miltary and 30% on SS, Medicare etc leaving 20% for all other governement operations which has led to a deficit of staggering preportion.
You just think that those programs are not worthy of supporting. Beleive me when you are older you wont even have social security to worry about. If i were you i would start saving for your retirement now.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

Satan:

I am a bit confused. You come on to a "Notre Dame" message board and seem surprised that many of the posters are religious and then you call them ignorant sheep and seem surprised when they get upset. You are certainly enititled to say whatever you want, but to come to an ND cite and post the way you do just seems, well, a little weird.

I certainly believe that everyone is welcome here (including you) as long as it is in the realm of civil, but it is just odd that you come here post the way you do. Frankly, if there were anyone here who agreed with any of your opinions (I know, I know you don't care what anyone else thinks) I would have to believe they would be afraid to express them for fear of being associated with you.

Do you know who "Notre Dame" is?

Odd, just odd.

i am me and no one else. Just trying to educate people who cant see. thats all.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

"Blah, Blah, Blah" You suck

typical that you dont have anything intelligent to add.

 

[grantland]

i am me and no one else. Just trying to educate people who cant see. thats all.

That may be the case, I do not know, I cannot see into your heart.

However, if you are truely trying to educate, you will get no where. I happen to see some insight in some of your posts (whether or not I agree with the substance) by my point is you will get no where with the tone you take.

I mean you take the tone you do and challenge peoples core beliefs. And you do not even know the people. For crying out loud, if my best friend came to me and told me my beliefs were wrong, even with the best of intentions, he better be prepared to have a long talk AND LISTEN SOME and be caring. If he came to me and affirmed my beliefs but took the tone you take, he may cause me to rethink my beliefs.

You put the two together and you don't know someone and it is just hard to believe you are trying to "educate."

The original poster was proud of the marines for acting bravely in the face of danger and you immediately turn it into this rant. It is just hard to take you seriously when you do things like that.

 

[notdam4]

I am not being misleading. Medicare etc is your opinion. I see a much larger problem with spending that much money on giving terorists more reason to fight us than on educating the ignorant and helping those who cant help themselves. (What would jesus do?) The point is that we are spending over 50% on the miltary and 30% on SS, Medicare etc leaving 20% for all other governement operations which has led to a deficit of staggering preportion.
You just think that those programs are not worthy of supporting. Beleive me when you are older you wont even have social security to worry about. If i were you i would start saving for your retirement now.

No, it is a fact that these reforms are necessary. If you want to go to a real website and not a propaganda site like the one you linked, to go www.gao.org where it is put in plain English. I choose not to get into a religious debate with you but I will point out that your "what would jesus do" statement is antagonistic, which is what my first post was about. Also, you are talking again about spending as a percentage of discretionary spending, which makes up 1/3 of the budget. You will also want to note, since you included a rant about history earlier, that our military spending as a percentage of discretionary spending is around the same as it was in the 90's when we were riding a surplus and it was as high as 70% 40 years ago. It has since declined. Lastly, I never said they were not worthy of supporting. I said that reforms are needed because those programs are more of a cause of the deficit than military spending. Another issue is military spending relative to GDP which I will not get into, but I'm sure you can do some research about that if you want to. Once again, everything I just stated is a FACT so you cannot brush it off as opinion.

 

[notdam4]

I apologize to the original poster for turning this into an argumentative thread. I too believe that Marines are brave individuals and deserve more credit than we give them, which was probably the intent of the original post.

 

[grantland]

I apologize to the original poster for turning this into an argumentative thread. I too believe that Marines are brave individuals and deserve more credit than we give them, which was probably the intent of the original post.

You did not do that. You're cool by me, though I am not the original poster.

 

[Satans Little Helper]

Satan:

I am a bit confused. You come on to a "Notre Dame" message board and seem surprised that many of the posters are religious and then you call them ignorant sheep and seem surprised when they get upset. Not surprised at all. Someone with my devotion to the truth and unpopular speech is never welcome. You are certainly enititled to say whatever you want, but to come to an ND cite and post the way you do just seems, well, a little weird. That is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

I certainly believe that everyone is welcome here (including you) as long as it is in the realm of civil, but it is just odd that you come here post the way you do. Frankly, if there were anyone here who agreed with any of your opinions (I know, I know you don't care what anyone else thinks) I would have to believe they would be afraid to express them for fear of being associated with you. That is understandable but no one agrees with me. That hs been stated in the upmost detail by every poster who has responded to anyhting i say. I am not deterred. It is typical of people who refuse to see the reality and hang their hat on antiquated religous beliefs and politcal ideals.

Do you know who "Notre Dame" is? Of course, Our Lady

Odd, just odd.Sorry you feel that way

 

[Satans Little Helper]

I apologize to the original poster for turning this into an argumentative thread. I too believe that Marines are brave individuals and deserve more credit than we give them, which was probably the intent of the original post.

So with me losing four family members that were marines in the War in Iraq, i dont count though? Credit is one thing. i give the marines all the credit in the world for serving just like i give Firemen and police credit for doing their job. Its the acts of our miltary armchair generals and politicans that make me say otherwise.

 

[notdam4]

So with me losing four family members that were marines in the War in Iraq, i dont count though? Credit is one thing. i give the marines all the credit in the world for serving just like i give Firemen and police credit for doing their job. Its the acts of our miltary armchair generals and politicans that make me say otherwise.

Now he comes around. No one said anything about military armchair generals and politicians though. Read the first posts carefully.