Culture

[NDVirginia19]

Bua is so used to the Democrats using instruments of government power to fund fringe political movements to the mainstream that he doesn't understand the concept of an organic cultural movement

 

[BuaConstrictor]

he doesn't understand the concept of an organic cultural movement

I do. It's why I push back on disgusting movements like yours.

 

[Irish#1]

This didn't even get all Republican votes and this would have had negative have had negative consequences for women and girls everywhere. Don't believe the right wing talking points about trans people. Their goal is to legislate them out of existence

Disagree Colorado. You will find a few zealots out there, but by in large there is no push to wipe out Trans. It's just to keep biological males out of women's sports, locker rooms and restrooms. Live your life, eat at the restaurant of your choice, bank where you want to, get a job in your preferred field and marry who you want.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

You will find a few zealots out there,

The entire state of Iowa just removed civil rights protections for trans people.

Iowa's governor signs a bill removing gender identity protections from the state’s civil rights code

Iowa has became the first U.S. state to remove gender identity protections from its civil rights code. Republican Gov.

apnews.com

Donald Trump is signing EO's excluding them from military service...so they can't get a job in their preferred field!

Executive Orders and the Erasure of Trans People | ACS

www.acslaw.org

"[E]xpressing a false “gender identity” divergent from an individual’s sex cannot satisfy the rigorous standards necessary for military service. Beyond the hormonal and surgical medical interventions involved, adoption of a gender identity inconsistent with an individual’s sex conflicts with a soldier’s commitment to an honorable, truthful, and disciplined lifestyle, even in one’s personal life. A man’s assertion that he is a woman, and his requirement that others honor this falsehood, is not consistent with the humility and selflessness required of a service member."

Multiple states are exploring banning gender affirming care for adults.

Michigan and Ohio GOP legislators discuss ‘endgame’ of banning all trans health care • Michigan Advance

Several Republican legislators from Michigan and Ohio were recorded in an online forum planning to try to ban trans health care for everyone, regardless of age. The discussion was hosted by state Rep. Brad Paquette (R-Niles) on the X social media platform and included Reps. Josh Schriver...

michiganadvance.com

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-politics/texas-house-bill-ban-gender-affirming-care-transgender-adults/

So....if by a "few zealots" you mean entire state legislatures and the president...sure... "a few"

 

[TorontoGold]

Again, he is not calling for PEOPLE to be killed. He is calling for the ideology of transgenderism to be eliminated.

What is the net negative impact that the "ideology" of transgenderism? The 3rd largest religion in the world has pretty broad acceptance of it.

I think adults would be free to do whatever they wish with their bodies, but the cultural affirmation and celebration would no longer exist.

This sort of thought leans towards the "why isn't there a straight pride parade!", which I don't think you're trying to make. But, when you have protected classes of people or those that face extreme backlash it is important to remember the history of those peoples. Sort of like holocaust remembrance, we should never stop teaching the history of it just because we're no longer seeing concentration camps.

The concept of gender dysphoria itself is not a social contagion, but the insanely rapid uptick in cases in youth over the past decade is evidence of social contagion to a degree. Something like 80+% of kids who came out as transgender had friends who came out as transgender around the same time from some studies

You can look at people becoming more left handed. When society allowed for greater opportunities for those people it increased but then stabled off. No one at a significant rate is "trans'ing" themselves just because their friends are. Sure, you probably have kids that dress a certain way but the amount that are taking medical steps are extremely low and the ones who are are probably actually trans.

The idea of protecting the kids by "eliminating trans culture" is an incredibly outsized response to something that impacts around 3k kids. You want to pause gender reassignment surgeries until their 18? Fine. But advocating for eliminating the ideology that around 1.8% of the population adhere to because of like 3k children is insane and a bad faith position.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

but the cultural affirmation and celebration would no longer exist.

concept of an organic cultural movement

In one post he advocates for the cessation of cultural affirmation and celebration.....in a later post says that cultural movements should be organic.

How can these cultural movements occur and be organic if they cease to exist and are not allowed at all(eradicated)?

 

[BuaConstrictor]

No one at a significant rate is "trans'ing" themselves just because their friends are.

Studies to support your point here:

'Social contagion' isn’t causing more youths to be transgender, study finds

The study, published in Pediatrics, disputes the theory that more adolescents, particularly those assigned female at birth, are identifying as trans due to social influence.

www.nbcnews.com

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/150/3/e2022056567/188709/Sex-Assigned-at-Birth-Ratio-Among-Transgender-and

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022347621010854#:~:text=Specifically%2C%20rapid%20onset%20gender%20dysphoria,child%20conflict%2C%20and%20maladaptive%20coping

Transgender children and young people: how the evidence can point the way forward - PMC

The development of gender identity in children from around the age of 3 years is described. Wishes for transgender identity are distinguished from gender-atypical behaviour. Reasons for the recent rise in transgender referrals in the early teen ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Evidence Undermines 'Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria' Claims

Fears of “social contagion,” used to support anti-transgender legislation, are not supported by science

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[ColoradoIrish]

One would have to ask...how does one go about the eradication of something without the extermination of it.

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5185610-supreme-court-colorado-conversion-therapy/

They plan on making conversion therapy legal everywhere and then shipping all the gay and trans kids away.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5185610-supreme-court-colorado-conversion-therapy/

They plan on making making conversion therapy legal everywhere and then shipping all the gay and trans kids away.

Truly the act of people who advocate for small government!

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Truly the act of people who advocate for small government!

Well this was big government over reach and robs parents of the choice of care for their kids.

Nevermind that's what their doing by their bans of trans healthcare

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Nevermind that's what their doing by their bans of trans healthcare

We just want people to have every option possibly when talking with their doctor!
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Well not THOSE options!

 

[BuaConstrictor]

but the cultural affirmation and celebration would no longer exist.

https://meidasnews.com/news/trump-amplifies-no-lgbtq-symbol-using-nazi-era-imagery-in-military-ad-post

 

[NDVirginia19]

1) The pink triangles were not in current admin's ads, just the article 2) Considering the author of the article likely knew what those symbols meant, it's pretty gross and 3) Trump almost certainly did not know what the Pink Triangle means in context to the Holocaust but he 100% should know better and shouldn't have linked the article

 

[BuaConstrictor]

3) Trump almost certainly did not know what the Pink Triangle means in context to the Holocaust but he 100% should know better and shouldn't have linked the article

Yeah, it would have been better for you had Trump just kept his actual feelings on the LGBTQ Community to himself. Now we know even more fully what he supports and what you support.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Yeah, it would have been better for you had Trump just kept his actual feelings on the LGBTQ Community to himself. Now we know even more fully what he supports and what you support.

Trump has appointed a lot of openly gay people to his cabinet for somebody that wants to kill every gay person, huh?

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Trump has appointed a lot of openly gay people to his cabinet for somebody that wants to kill every gay person, huh?

Easier for him to keep track of them that way. Friends close, enemies closer type stuff.

I noticed you didn't address your feelings on it. Curious.

 

[Giddyup]

Don’t ask don’t tell. Why don’t you just do a survey Bua? You can get everyone’s opinion, if it means so much to you.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Easier for him to keep track of them that way. Friends close, enemies closer type stuff.

I noticed you didn't address your feelings on it. Curious.

Catechism of the Catholic Church

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[BuaConstrictor]

cultural affirmation and celebration would no longer exist.

Yeah man. I don't think we should affirm people who are skinny and think they are fat by telling them to go on diets.

"Such persons must be accepted with respect and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.”

Instruction Concerning the Criteria for the Discernment of Vocations with Regard to Persons with Homosexual Tendencies in View of Their Admission to the Seminary and to Holy Orders - Papal Encyclicals

A reflection on Church instructions, showing how clarity, discipline, and moral guidance support faithful practice and communal worship.

www.papalencyclicals.net

Instruction Concerning the Criteria for the Discernment of Vocations with regard to Persons with Homosexual Tendencies in view of their Admission to the Seminary and to Holy Orders

Seems as though you aren't following what you claim to be.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Catechism of the Catholic Church

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Weird nothing in there about gay or transgender people when you search it.

The topic with Trump isn't about gay people. You keep pivoting to that, the topic with him and those around him are transgender people.

 

[NDVirginia19]

The church teaches that gender ideology, or the idea that gender and sex are separate and can be fluid, as an affront to God's creation of humanity. It acknowledges the reality of gender dysphoria as a psychological condition but does not affirm transitioning (e.g., through surgery or hormones) as a solution, viewing it as contrary to the integrity of the human body.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

The church teaches that gender ideology, or the idea that gender and sex are separate and can be fluid, as an affront to God's creation of humanity. It acknowledges the reality of gender dysphoria as a psychological condition but does not affirm transitioning (e.g., through surgery or hormones) as a solution, viewing it as contrary to the integrity of the human body.

So you your like Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles and believe in forcing your religious beliefs upon others?

 

[ColoradoIrish]

The church teaches that gender ideology, or the idea that gender and sex are separate and can be fluid, as an affront to God's creation of humanity. It acknowledges the reality of gender dysphoria as a psychological condition but does not affirm transitioning (e.g., through surgery or hormones) as a solution, viewing it as contrary to the integrity of the human body.

And I missed have missed those lessons growing up in the church. Weird

 

[BuaConstrictor]

So you your like Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles and believe in forcing your religious beliefs upon others?

Apparently only when convenient. I highly doubt he has adopted Pope Francis' feelings on immigration.

 

[NDVirginia19]

And I missed have missed those lessons growing up in the church. Weird

Transgenderism wasn't the huge cultural topic when we were growing up in Church. The principles from the Catechism apply, and the Pope has spoken frequently on the matter.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

The church teaches that gender ideology, or the idea that gender and sex are separate and can be fluid, as an affront to God's creation of humanity. It acknowledges the reality of gender dysphoria as a psychological condition but does not affirm transitioning (e.g., through surgery or hormones) as a solution, viewing it as contrary to the integrity of the human body.

Please point me to this in the Catechism that you posted.

Pope Francis has also welcomed transgender persons into the Church openly. There are isolated cases of transgender Sisters as well as transgender godparents. The Catholic Church isn't a monolith around the world.

and since we are so worried about taking our political queues from the Catholic Church I'm interested to know what the Church's views are on people that are adulterers, sexually assault women, and mock people with disabilities

 

[BuaConstrictor]

The principles from the Catechism apply

You should actually start following them.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Apparently only when convenient. I highly doubt he has adopted Pope Francis' feelings on immigration.

Pope's John Paul and Francis have spoken in similar tones on Immigration, and I am all for a prudent and managed immigration process, not the wantonly mismanaged immigration process that has been taken advantage of by human and drug traffickers to overall ruin lives.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Transgenderism wasn't the huge cultural topic when we were growing up in Church. The principles from the Catechism apply, and the Pope has spoken frequently on the matter.

Please show me direct quotes from the catechism then, because when I search gender, gender ideology, or transgender nothing populates for me to back up your claims. And even if that does exist why just the country follow the Catholic churches teachings on it?

 

[NDVirginia19]

When Jesus welcomed and ate with Prostitutes, he did not tell them to continue living their sin. The idea that the only way to welcome openly transgender individuals into the church and in society is to affirm their psychological disorder is wrong.