Coker fired at Miami

[Irish Envy]

The University is really botching this one. They had plenty of opportunities to fire him, but they go out and win a big game last night against a top notch Boston College team and makes them bowl eligible. They're going to get a favorable bowl matchup, too.

 

[ackirl]

If Miami waits for the Giants to fire Tom Coughlin I could see him taking that job.

 

[Guest]

Couglin would bring discipline to Miami thats for sure, but he'll get at least one more year with the giants IMO. I hope he stays at the Giants for a few more years because I'd worry about Weis taking the Giant job.

Look for them to go after Schiano, although rumors are he'll be Joe Pa's replacement at PSU(heard a guy say on the radio recently say its pretty much a done deal that he'll replace Joe Pa when he retires.) So Spurrier, or Alvarez may be their best option right now.

Pisses me off how no one in the media complains about Coker being fired, yet bashed us for firing Ty when Ty didn't even have half the success Coker's had at Miami.

 

[Irish Envy]

Pssst... he's white.

 

[jsully84]

59-15 over 6 years at 'Tha U' (About a 80% winning percentage) and a National Championship.

Goes to show you that losing about 2-3 games a year can sometimes cost you your job at some schools (ND, 'Tha U', UM, tOSU, USC).

Said he has 2 offers from other schools.

Best of luck to Larry.

 

[UNTITLEDPROJECT]

Uncle Fester, we'll miss you.

 

[Irish Envy]

He'll be coaching next season.

 

[maison bleu]

Other possible successors, according to the Miami Herald:

"Others whose names have surfaced include: Steve Kragsthorpe of Tulsa, Mike Leach of Texas Tech, Gary Patterson of Texas Christian, Rich Rodriguez of West Virginia and Miami defense coordinator Randy Shannon."

 

[Seymore]

Uncle Fester, we'll miss you.

If I could rep you again, I would ! LMAO...

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

59-15 over 6 years at 'Tha U' (About a 80% winning percentage) and a National Championship.

Goes to show you that losing about 2-3 games a year can sometimes cost you your job at some schools (ND, 'Tha U', UM, tOSU, USC).

Said he has 2 offers from other schools.

Best of luck to Larry.

I wish him the best, but I do have a note of caution for the school he goes to. As we have seen, Miami has lost some discipline in recent years...whereas Butch Davis was known for being a hard-ass.

Also, Miami got worse EVERY YEAR he was coach. Because honestly, I defended Coker early on this year...but check out his record... It looks Ty-esque.

2001 - 12-0
2002 - 12-1
2003 - 11-2
2004 - 9-3
2005 - 9-3
2006 - 6-6

Slow steady decline.

I think Miami was right to fire him.

 

[UNTITLEDPROJECT]

BTW, thoughts he heads to MSU?

 

[NDOM]

Uncle Fester, we'll miss you.

Now thats just hilarious.

 

[jiggafini19]

This has so much more to do with wins and losses, though he'd still have a job if they were winning lately.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I would not touch this job with a ten foot pole. Other jobs will open up down the line.

I'm guessing Randy Shannon gets promoted from within. They still have to pay Coker and can't afford some of the names mentioned in connection with this job.

 

[Vince Young]

Coker is a fine coach, but he doesn't have a strong enough hand to keep control over a team like Miami. Just take a look at the chart listed above. I don't think it's a coincidence that the team's winning percentage and the team's discipline level dropped at about the same rate. It all culminated this year: the players were at their worst behavior and played their worst season.

Put Coker someplace where the players are more innately disciplined, and he'll do much better. Coker will succeed somewhere else. But Da U simply isn't the place for him.

 

[BGIF]

I wish him the best, but I do have a note of caution for the school he goes to. As we have seen, Miami has lost some discipline in recent years...whereas Butch Davis was known for being a hard-ass.

Also, Miami got worse EVERY YEAR he was coach. Because honestly, I defended Coker early on this year...but check out his record... It looks Ty-esque.

2001 - 12-0
2002 - 12-1
2003 - 11-2
2004 - 9-3
2005 - 9-3
2006 - 6-6

Slow steady decline.

I think Miami was right to fire him.

"It looks Ty-esque." ... "Slow steady decline." Don't go there. There is NO similarity whatsoever. There was nothing slow or steady about Ty's precipitous plummet!

• Ty came of the gate 8-0 but lost 3 of the next 5 that season; Coker won 'em all AND a NC out of the gate.
• Ty took 18 games to win 12 and lost 6 by then (in 1-1/2 seasons); Coker didn't have 6 losses until he completed 4 seasons (winning one NC and losing another NC in OT in the Fiesta!).
• Ty was shutout by 37 points twice in his 2nd season; Coker didn't get shutout.
• Ty was blownout 7 times in 36 games, by 31 points, 38, 31, 37, 26, 25, and 31; Coker was blownout 3 times in 74 games, by 24 points, 37, 24.

 

[BGIF]

Davis might have been known as a disciplinarian while Coker had The Brawl but Coker had a better record than Davis, ,59-15 0.797 to 51-20 0.718. And Davis had the only losing season '97, Miami's had since Schnellenberger's first year, '79.

Under Davis Miami won the Big East once '00, and was Co-Champ twice, '95,'96.
Under Coker Miami won the the NC once, '01, lost another in OT '02, won the Big East twice, '01, '02, and was Co-Champ once, '03.

The difference that Coker had to contend with that Erickson and Davis before him didn't have to contend with was after '03 Miami was no longer THE BEAST in The Big East. In '04 Miami moved to the ACC.

Big East Record
'01 12-0
'02 12-1
'03 11-2

ACC Record
'04 9-3
'05 9-3
'06 6-6

The schedule got tougher after '03
In '02 season Miami lost to OSU by 7 points in the Fiesta Bowl for the NC.
In '03 lost to VT by 24, and the SEC's UTN by 4

In '04 (ACC) UNC by 3, Clem by 7, VT by 6
In '05 FSU by 3, GT by 4, LSU by 37 in a bowl blowout
In '06 FSU by 3, LOU by 24, GT by 7, VT by 7, UMD by 4, UVA by 10.

UVA is the only '06 loss that wasn't to a bowl eligible team. IF UVA beats VT Saturday then all Miami's losses are to '06 bowl teams. Their schedule has gotten much tougher in the ACC than it was under Jimmy Johnson (Independent), or Erickson and Davis (Big East).

And his successor will have to deal with that.

I suspect Miami also suffered this year with due to the sweeping coaching changes made last January after the Peach Bowl disaster when he fired 4 assistants to appease the angry alums: OC Dan Werner, OLine Art Kehoe, RB Don Soldinger, LB Vernon Hargreaves. Kehoe had been an assistant at Miami for 25 years (Schnellenberger hired him), Werner for 8.

Despite the execution of assistants Miami fared 89 points worsein Offense in '06 scoring 234 points against '05's 325 points. Defense gave up 10 more points 181 v 171.

Here's the trend - Point Differential (Offense minus Defense) for '00 to '06:

• 395
• 279
• 165
• 176
• 154
• 89

Offensive Production dropped from a high of 527 in '01 to a low 234 in '06

 

[BGIF]

...They still have to pay Coker and can't afford some of the names mentioned in connection with this job.

Coker will $3 million to stay home and clip coupons. Somebody's got to fill a lot of empty seats in the O.B. for Donna to pay that and the new guys $$$.

Somebody pass the hat again.

Does da U get royalties on the 7th Floor Crew?

 

[Irish Envy]

ESPN is reporting that Rutger's Greg Schiano is the top Miami target. You don't say!

 

[ndirish302000]

I think Miami goes for an overhaul and gets a coach with little to no connection to them. Try to change the complexion of the program after a tumoltuous year. Therefore, I think Charlie should really think about making a run at Randy Shannon for his DC, as long as Shannon doesn't get any HC offers.

 

[Master Guns]

Coker is a fine coach, but he doesn't have a strong enough hand to keep control over a team like Miami. Just take a look at the chart listed above. I don't think it's a coincidence that the team's winning percentage and the team's discipline level dropped at about the same rate. It all culminated this year: the players were at their worst behavior and played their worst season.
Put Coker someplace where the players are more innately disciplined, and he'll do much better. Coker will succeed somewhere else. But Da U simply isn't the place for him.

Problem wuth Miami is that decipline and leadership starts with the President of the university and then to the AD and then goes all the way down to the coaches. Miami is pretty weak when it comes to that period.

If you recruit thugs you get thug conduct. Convict U needs to change its name to Drive-by U. Sad that no one will step up and put a halt to it all.

 

[Irish Envy]

I agree 100%. The fact they didn't punish those kids after the whole Florida Atlantic incident was proof enough for me that they're a complete and utter joke. Coker was fighting a losing battle no matter what he did that... it's just the level of human being they recruit.

 

[ACamp1900]

I agree 100%. The fact they didn't punish those kids after the whole Florida Atlantic incident was proof enough for me that they're a complete and utter joke. Coker was fighting a losing battle no matter what he did that... it's just the level of human being they recruit.

yep

 

[BGIF]

Problem wuth Miami is that decipline and leadership starts with the President of the university and then to the AD and then goes all the way down to the coaches. Miami is pretty weak when it comes to that period.

If you recruit thugs you get thug conduct. Convict U needs to change its name to Drive-by U. Sad that no one will step up and put a halt to it all.

It's a culture spawned under Jimmy Johnson that flourished under a University administration that looked the other way. Following the brawl with Florida International, FIU suspended 16 players, Donna Shalala, UM President, left it up to the ACC to take "the appropriate action". FIU's suspensions were indefinite; Miami's one game.

Interesting that the new kid in 1A football set the tone that this conduct will not be tolerated while the established NCAA 1A school sat their brawlers out against Duke and said that's enough punishment.

The culture at Miami won't change with Coker's departure, it will only change when the Admininstration takes charge and that's not going to happen under Shalala.

 

[BGIF]

I agree 100%. The fact they didn't punish those kids after the whole Florida Atlantic incident was proof enough for me that they're a complete and utter joke. Coker was fighting a losing battle no matter what he did that... it's just the level of human being they recruit.

Florida International.

 

[Irish Envy]

Florida International.

Them, too. Not like any of them matter. LOL

 

[BGIF]

Them, too. Not like any of them matter. LOL

There is a bunch of them.

 

[onenybrother]

"It looks Ty-esque." ... "Slow steady decline." Don't go there. There is NO similarity whatsoever. There was nothing slow or steady about Ty's precipitous plummet!

• Ty came of the gate 8-0 but lost 3 of the next 5 that season; Coker won 'em all AND a NC out of the gate.
• Ty took 18 games to win 12 and lost 6 by then (in 1-1/2 seasons); Coker didn't have 6 losses until he completed 4 seasons (winning one NC and losing another NC in OT in the Fiesta!).
• Ty was shutout by 37 points twice in his 2nd season; Coker didn't get shutout.
• Ty was blownout 7 times in 36 games, by 31 points, 38, 31, 37, 26, 25, and 31; Coker was blownout 3 times in 74 games, by 24 points, 37, 24.

And lest not forget them slow ass players he left us with.

 

[ackirl]

If Miami waits for the Giants to fire Tom Coughlin I could see him taking that job.

Miami might not have to wait till the end of the NFL season after yesterday’s implosion.

 

[jiggafini19]

BGIF, didn't the culture start PRIOR to Johnson as well? It took off under him, but I think the seeds were sown shortly before his tenure yes?

Schiano says he isn't going anywhere and is staying at Rutgers. We'll see how it plays out.

 

[NDAlumSon]

....it will only change when the Admininstration takes charge and that's not going to happen under Shalala.

Who will probably take the Education Secretary post in the next Clinton administration.
Oh the irony.