coach lou

[nd1]

said on radio that nd should go to big ten.

 

[NDOM]

said on radio that nd should go to big ten.

Yeah because Lou Hotz is smart. It only makes sense. Do it now before its too late.

 

[nd1]

Yeah because Lou Hotz is smart. It only makes sense. Do it now before its too late.

i agree. they should jump at the chance to go in big ten before they find too many teams and we don't have that choice.

 

[Ben E.]

...should take his meds

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

Lou Ferrigno coaches that awsome!

 

[TerryTate]

I love Lou, but he should stick to fighting off Mark May.

Commentator, yes. AD, no.

Big 10 - no. Unless Texas and A&M join, then maybe.

 

[johnnykillz]

Lou's gone senile. He needs to take that ring off for bed. The high "Z" number of the metal may have his body thinking he needs it in his bones. Certainly a problem I wish every Notre Dame coach had.

 

[TerryTate]

Lou's gone senile.

I was going to say that, but then I thought I'd get banned or something.

 

[johnnykillz]

Lou's gone senile. He needs to take that ring off for bed. The high "Z" number of the metal may have his body thinking he needs it in his bones. Certainly a problem I wish every Notre Dame coach had.

Hey, look, we have to try to turn weaknesses into strengths.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Lou Holtz is a football genius... And in this case he is right again, like usual.

Notre Dame will be an afterthought if they aren't in a "super conference".

Notre Dame must join the Big-10.

Lou is right!

 

[johnnykillz]

Lou Holtz is a football genius... And in this case he is right again, like usual.

Notre Dame will be an afterthought if they aren't in a "super conference".

Notre Dame must join the Big-10.

Lou is right!

James E. Delany is that you?

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

James E. Delany is that you?

I don't understand why people think ND should stay independent.

People say they'll retain their traditions...

Bull, if ND stays independent they'll lose at least USC and Michigan.

The only team they'll keep in for their tradition would be Navy...

I don't want Notre Dame VS Navy to be Notre Dame's "game of the year".

I want Notre Dame to join the Big-10 so they can keep playing teams like Purdue, Mich, Mich St... And add schools like Ohio St, Penn State, Nebraska, and Iowa.

I want Notre Dame to beat up on good teams, not teams like Navy, Army, and Tulsa.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I don't understand how people on these forums can disagree with Lou Holtz....

I'm going to go ahead and say he has more knowledge about Notre Dame and the NCAA than all of us on these boards.

Lou knows his stuff and we should all respect his opinions.

 

[johnnykillz]

Look man. I've read all of your posts. You are getting a bit redundant.

But you've made your argument clearly. Here's the deal: No team is in another conference as it now stands. It makes "0" business sense to make a decision such as this so quickly.

The lasting ramifications of joining another conference must thoroughly be investigated before we move forward with a decision. It would be nice to see the polarity of the incidents that will occur before we move forward.

Really, everyone needs to slow their role. I'm really a lot more open-minded towards this then I seem, but I have seen no indication to jump ship. And this ship seems to be sailing fine.

Savvy?

 

[Ben E.]

I don't understand how people on these forums can disagree with Lou Holtz....

I'm going to go ahead and say he has more knowledge about Notre Dame and the NCAA than all of us on these boards.

Lou knows his stuff and we should all respect his opinions.

opinions...yes thats right, not facts. we should all keep that in mind when posting "join or die" comments. no one not even our internet news sources know exactly whats realy going on behind closed doors untill they open. 90% of whats out there is still questimations! look at the way the media has been played over the last 2 years to even get us to this point. im gonna try not to buy into anything till its a for sure done deal!

 

[johnnykillz]

We should all respect his opinions.

Respect, yes. Agree, no way. Not enough evidence for ND to move one way or the other.

BTW, Lou left ND only to join the Cocks three years later. He left us in winning seasons.

I'm still perturbed about that.

Don't try to pull the Lou card and get people against me little man. I have not insulted Lou to the level you infer.

 

[Ben E.]

Look man. I've read all of your posts. You are getting a bit redundant.

But you've made your argument clearly. Here's the deal: No team is in another conference as it now stands. It makes "0" business sense to make a decision such as this so quickly.

The lasting ramifications of joining another conference must thoroughly be investigated before we move forward with a decision. It would be nice to see the polarity of the incidents that will occur before we move forward.

Really, everyone needs to slow their role. I'm really a lot more open-minded towards this then I seem, but I have seen no indication to jump ship. And this ship seems to be sailing fine.

Savvy?

exactly!

 

[TerryTate]

I don't understand how people on these forums can disagree with Lou Holtz....

I'm going to go ahead and say he has more knowledge about Notre Dame and the NCAA than all of us on these boards.

Lou knows his stuff and we should all respect his opinions.

So you don't like 3 games on this schedule, two of which are annual games. Army & Navy are part of a classic series, I don't think we need to play them every year, but I think it's good that these service academies are given a chance to play under the national spotlight. Would you prefer we slot those teams with Illinois and Northwestern? Those won't do anything for our strength of schedule. Tulsa is better than an App State OOC game, isn't it?

I don't want Notre Dame VS Navy to be Notre Dame's "game of the year".

You're joking right?

 

[irishtrain]

Look man. I've read all of your posts. You are getting a bit redundant.

But you've made your argument clearly. Here's the deal: No team is in another conference as it now stands. It makes "0" business sense to make a decision such as this so quickly.

The lasting ramifications of joining another conference must thoroughly be investigated before we move forward with a decision. It would be nice to see the polarity of the incidents that will occur before we move forward.

Really, everyone needs to slow their role. I'm really a lot more open-minded towards this then I seem, but I have seen no indication to jump ship. And this ship seems to be sailing fine.

Savvy?

I agree lets slow down a little and if a gun is put to the programs head then proceed, Lou is a smart man and may be correct but lets give the tradition of independence all the options before a hasty decision is made. I trust Jack he is savvy.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Lou is right.

 

[johnnykillz]

So, my question to you guys is this: We know what Lou thinks, but what would Ara, Knute, and others say?

 

[nd1]

So, my question to you guys is this: We know what Lou thinks, but what would Ara, Knute, and others say?

well if its goes down the way they say then there really isn;t much to think about. i just worry about waiting too long and not have anywhere to go. well the right place to go.

 

[Ben E.]

those that think ND could end up on the outside looking in please take second to think about it. so the big ten looks like it is going to add 5 teams...who would the big ten rather have? maryland or ND? missou or ND? rutgers or ND? texas a&m or ND? come on people ND will be able to wait till the very last second to see if joining the big ten is the only possible outcome! you are not going to pick up the paper one day and see ND in the "cast out" conferance or playing a schedule of the "left overs"! i do kind of think ND should join a conferance just not big ten...how about being proactive and joining somewhere else? We maybe able to keep a little more national exposure playing in a conferance that isnt in the same geographics! i dont know just a thought!

 

[TerryTate]

Regardless of what happens, ND is not going to get shut out of a conference. There's too much money, and it's too broad a market to turn down the Irish. Any conference would welcome that demographic.

 

[nd1]

Regardless of what happens, ND is not going to get shut out of a conference. There's too much money, and it's too broad a market to turn down the Irish. Any conference would welcome that demographic.

this is true but if u keep waiting and the conference u really wanted to go has accedpted all the teams they are taking then u have to go somewhere else. don't get me wrong they will get into a conference if they want to but it might not be the right one.

 

[Ben E.]

this is true but if u keep waiting and the conference u really wanted to go has accedpted all the teams they are taking then u have to go somewhere else. don't get me wrong they will get into a conference if they want to but it might not be the right one.

oklahoma and texas are only two teams right now that will be moving that are as coveted as ND imo. i dont think you have anything to wory about ND1. i admit i was a little freaked out yesterday but i think its all good now!

 

[nd1]

oklahoma and texas are only two teams right now that will be moving that are as coveted as ND imo. i dont think you have anything to wory about ND1. i admit i was a little freaked out yesterday but i think its all good now!

who really knows whats going to happen. just herd on espn radio that neb. said they are asking big ten for permission to join.

 

[Rocket89]

As great of a man as Lou is, he's been known to get caught up in the hype in his old age.

We definitely need to sit back and wait and see what happens. I agree with the few people who said we won't be shut out of the Big Ten.

Delany isn't going to add Nebraska....and then Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse and Maryland without checking in with Swarbrick first.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

those that think ND could end up on the outside looking in please take second to think about it. so the big ten looks like it is going to add 5 teams...who would the big ten rather have? maryland or ND? missou or ND? rutgers or ND? texas a&m or ND? come on people ND will be able to wait till the very last second to see if joining the big ten is the only possible outcome! you are not going to pick up the paper one day and see ND in the "cast out" conferance or playing a schedule of the "left overs"! i do kind of think ND should join a conferance just not big ten...how about being proactive and joining somewhere else? We maybe able to keep a little more national exposure playing in a conferance that isnt in the same geographics! i dont know just a thought!

My issue with waiting is this; its not that the Big Ten and Delaney would not LOVE to have Notre Dame, they certainly would. My issue is that in the event ND must join a conference and waits to long to decide causing the Big 10 to send out formal invitations to maryland, missou, rutgers..etc. I don't see the big 10 taking back formally sent offers, and saying "oh sorry you arent invited anymore."

I like Jack Swarbrick because he handles things behind closed doors, extrememly succesful and is intelligent. I trust he'll make the best decision for Notre Dame, and he'll do it without us knowing whats going on at all.

I'm kind of neutral about all of this because I don't see ND signing their lives away to the big ten, somewhere in the contract there would have to be some clause for ND to play neutral site games, schedule there own OOC games, keep traditional rivalries, and keep the team televised every week. I am sure the Big Ten would be happy to concede to whatever ND demands. I kind of wish ND was winning these past few years so that they have some leverage in the football department to go along with the business department.

Itll be a interesting few months.

 

[laservet]

I think the way this plays out is the B10 goes to 15, then asks ND one last time. If ND says no or asks for too many special concessions that would piss off the other B10 teams, then the conference fills that slot with someone else. They won't have any trouble attracting teams, the money is just too good to pass up. Between their rapidly increasing TV money and the CIC research money it means over ten years an additional half a billion to a billion dollars to a school.

Then where is ND? The independents are likely to get squeezed out in scheduling and BCS/NC opportunities, and if the superconferences then flex their muscles the BCS may die and the superconferences could set up their own playoff, they'd have the juice to do it.

I see a lot of people saying ND should decline the B10, any other conference would be happy to take them in. Really? Any other good choices? The Pac 10 will be full. The B12 will be defunct. The SEC with their horrible academics? The new Mountain West? Whatever gets cobbled together from the leftovers of the BE and the ACC? The WAC or the MAC? Seriously, once the B10 ship has sailed, what is left for ND?

Seems to me the best choice of what is left would be the Mountain West. They already have their own TV network, not making big bucks yet but that could change after everything settles out. With the addition of Boise State if you look at the three pronged litmus test for being an automatic BCS conference they already are better than the BE in at least two of the three requirements. And they are likely to pick over the carcass of the B12 and take in Kansas, Kansas State, maybe Iowa State. It would end up a fair football conference, a pretty good basketball conference. Transportation might be an insurmountable issue, especially for all the minor sports.

But the B10 is the good fit. The benefits of independence have eroded. It used to mean top TV money, now the worst team in the B10 gets twice as much as ND, the worst team in the SEC gets 50% more, etc. Scheduling will become an issue as well. Superconference members will have to pick up a couple more conference games, and they'll want their two OOC games to be cakewalks. An independent ND can kiss goodbye to any NC aspirations once this thing gets established, their schedule won't be strong enough to get consideration, particularly given the influence the superconferences will have.

YMMV, contents may have settled during shipping, etc.