Chicago White Sox... The thread.

[Rogue219]

This got a lot of people up in arms in Chicago and in Baseball.. I think Ricky's future is in limbo.. he may be with the org but it wont be as manager hopefully.

Maybe he said this because he knows he's done?

For your sake, I hope so.

What is Omar Vizquel's philosophy on modern day baseball? He seems to be the guy everyone is talking about coming in and being the next skipper. Is he a dinosaur too or does he embrace the present and future?

Doesn't matter. The hitting and pitching coach are staying.

 

[Southside Sully]

Maybe he said this because he knows he's done?

For your sake, I hope so.

What is Omar Vizquel's philosophy on modern day baseball? He seems to be the guy everyone is talking about coming in and being the next skipper. Is he a dinosaur too or does he embrace the present and future?

Doesn't matter. The hitting and pitching coach are staying.

Sounds like he knows the need for it.

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports...unity/95-1a10a2f5-6057-42d4-a2be-8f2df6f06c19

 

[Rogue219]

Sounds like he knows the need for it.

https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports...unity/95-1a10a2f5-6057-42d4-a2be-8f2df6f06c19

If you're going to hire a guy with a green coaching resume like his, they'd better embrace "the Sabermetric thing." Otherwise it won't work.

It sounds promising. I just wonder if they would want to have someone with a bit more experience to lead this young group in the next few years.

Sandy Alomar Jr. has always intrigued me as a candidate.

 

[Southside Sully]

If you're going to hire a guy with a green coaching resume like his, they'd better embrace "the Sabermetric thing." Otherwise it won't work.

It sounds promising. I just wonder if they would want to have someone with a bit more experience to lead this young group in the next few years.

Sandy Alomar Jr. has always intrigued me as a candidate.

He would be a great fit. Maddon may be available. TBD.

 

[Rogue219]

He would be a great fit. Maddon may be available. TBD.

I'll pass on Joe Maddon. He can sell his wine and pasta gravy somewhere else. They don't need the leavings from the other side of town and he's probably not a fit for the White Sox from what I've gathered about them over the last several months of following them.

Sam Fuld is a guy who really intrigues me. Fits into the Rocky Baldelli mold of a former player who isn't far removed from his playing days, is a good teacher and uses data from the front office to be an even BETTER teacher.

That's the stuff.

 

[pumpdog20]

I'm becoming a cubs fan if the South Siders hire Maddon.

 

[Southside Sully]

How about Gios gem today? Complete game shutout, 3 hits, 12 ks, 0 BBs. Last year he was 125ks/90bbs. This year so far he’s 194ks/51bbs. What a turnaround. He threw shut outs and complete games against Astros and Twins. Well done.

 

[Rogue219]

Shutting down high powered lineups seems to be his thing.

He took ownership of his game during the off season and it paid dividends.

 

[Southside Sully]

Shutting down high powered lineups seems to be his thing.

He took ownership of his game during the off season and it paid dividends.

Yep hope Cease, Lopez etc train with him this offseason.

 

[Rogue219]

Yep hope Cease, Lopez etc train with him this offseason.

As far away from your pitching coach as possible.

 

[Rogue219]

I'm becoming a cubs fan if the South Siders hire Maddon.

Joe Maddon is making $6M a year from the Cubs. Rick Renteria makes $1.1M.

You think Mr. Reinsdorf is going to pay Joe Maddon enough to entice him to come to the White Sox?

Renteria makes about as much as Clint Hurdle does with the Pirates. A more likely candidate than Joe Maddon. Maddon and Hurdle could both be looking for work this winter.

 

[Rogue219]

Should White Sox be ready to contend in 2020?

‘Let’s talk in Glendale,’ Hahn said.

This is Rick Hahn telling Chairman Reinsdorf not to cut his nuts off again this winter. He can't predict what the winter will bring other than he's going to get less money to spend than most other clubs out there.

Remember, they had to BEG for the money to get Melky Fucking Cabrera. How do you get him to approve what it will take to get Cole or Wheeler?

I kind of feel bad for this guy, but he was there long enough as an underling to know how it was going to work. He could have made a move but chose to stay there.

Hahn is the most educated GM in the game in terms of his degrees. He's not really bound by anything. He's a smart guy and can do what he wants. Makes me wonder what he's sticking around for.

 

[Crazy Balki]

This is Rick Hahn telling Chairman Reinsdorf not to cut his nuts off again this winter. He can't predict what the winter will bring other than he's going to get less money to spend than most other clubs out there.

Remember, they had to BEG for the money to get Melky Fucking Cabrera. How do you get him to approve what it will take to get Cole or Wheeler?

I kind of feel bad for this guy, but he was there long enough as an underling to know how it was going to work. He could have made a move but chose to stay there.

Hahn is the most educated GM in the game in terms of his degrees. He's not really bound by anything. He's a smart guy and can do what he wants. Makes me wonder what he's sticking around for.

Completely untrue. The White Sox have the lowest payroll going into the 2020 season.

I imagine the "begging" for money to land Cabrera (seen nothing to validate this claim) had more to do with the fact that he had recently served a hefty suspension for PED.

Cole may be a long shot, since a team like the Yankees have the insane payroll to support throwing a huge amount of money at Cole, and a more desirable situation in the here and now.

A guy like Wheeler or Bumgarner however, should be more than doable with the ridiculous amount of payroll.

I think you're overselling the "cheapness" of Jerry. He'll spend the money if the time is right to compete. The time is soon to be right.

 

[Rogue219]

Completely untrue. The White Sox have the lowest payroll going into the 2020 season.

So?

I imagine the "begging" for money to land Cabrera (seen nothing to validate this claim) had more to do with the fact that he had recently served a hefty suspension for PED.

No, it wasn't. It was the price tag it took to get the guy. There weren't a ton of takers, either.

Cole may be a long shot, since a team like the Yankees have the insane payroll to support throwing a huge amount of money at Cole, and a more desirable situation in the here and now.

He is. And after having played for Houston, knowing how they prepare their players with data, the bar is high. He's already played for the Pirates. Why go to a similar situation and market in the White Sox?

A guy like Wheeler or Bumgarner however, should be more than doable with the ridiculous amount of payroll.

I'm willing to bet you here and now that even if they bid, they won't land either.

I think you're overselling the "cheapness" of Jerry. He'll spend the money if the time is right to compete. The time is soon to be right.

You are the first and only person I have seen say this about him. You ought to follow James Fegan on Twitter. He writes really well about The White Sox on The Athletic.

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[Rogue219]

Why are they continuing to give Jon Jay at bats? They signed him to get Machado, and that didn't happen nor will it ever, so stop sending this guy up every day. It makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Southside Sully]

Why are they continuing to give Jon Jay at bats? They signed him to get Machado, and that didn't happen nor will it ever, so stop sending this guy up every day. It makes absolutely no sense.

Thank you.. Cordell, Engel etc should be getting these at bats every day to prove themselves either as a role player or a trade chip.

 

[BobbyMac]

In regards to the Chairman's cheapness: Billy B wins 4-5 WS's with Kenny's checkbook since 2000. . . In Chicago or Oakland. Kenny somehow won just one though he'd prolly win at least one more if we had a do over.

He ain't cheap, he just hasn't spent his money wisely in ten years.

 

[Crazy Balki]

In regards to the Chairman's cheapness: Billy B wins 4-5 WS's with Kenny's checkbook since 2000. . . In Chicago or Oakland. Kenny somehow won just one though he'd prolly win at least one more if we had a do over.

He ain't cheap, he just hasn't spent his money wisely in ten years.

This.

The idea that the White Sox have been cheap over the years is ludicrous. They spent a good portion of the late 2000's and early 2010's with one of the higher payrolls in the league. But they did so in vein and at the expense of ignoring the farm system to the point where it hit rock bottom. Since then, they've cut back the payroll significantly and focused on drastically improving the farm from one of the worst in baseball to one of the best.

But the rebuilding period is coming to an end, so it's time to start using the payroll again to supplement the core as it comes together. A guy like Wheeler, Bumgarner, Strasburg is a no-brainer to fill that last potential rotation spot. Not sure what they'll do at RF, whether they go after a guy like Ozuna or Puig, or even Grandal at catcher. Lots of choices, lots of money to work with, but the future is looking bright boys!

 

[Crazy Balki]

Thank you.. Cordell, Engel etc should be getting these at bats every day to prove themselves either as a role player or a trade chip.

I mean at this point, who cares?

Engel lines up at center field and has shown after 2 years that he has nothing close to resembling a major league bat.

Cordell has played more than Jay and so far, it's pretty much same story different verse as Engel. Another guy with decent fielding, who can't hit water if they fell out of a boat.

The Sox would net a better return by trading a gold painted turd than they would for Engel or Cordell. And it's not like either are still young. They're 27 and if they can't hit worth a damn by now, then it's not gonna happen.

It's not like Alonzo, where the Sox should've got his ass out of the DH slot and put Collins in there to get more AB's.

 

[Rogue219]

In regards to the Chairman's cheapness: Billy B wins 4-5 WS's with Kenny's checkbook since 2000. . . In Chicago or Oakland. Kenny somehow won just one though he'd prolly win at least one more if we had a do over.

He ain't cheap, he just hasn't spent his money wisely in ten years.

Their highest payroll ever was 2011 at $127M. That was 7th in MLB at the time. Right now it would be 17th around where the Brewers are, and the Brewers have former Astros people running their front office.

 

[Rogue219]

Thank you.. Cordell, Engel etc should be getting these at bats every day to prove themselves either as a role player or a trade chip.

He's 34 years old and not on the team next year, right?

Why keep trotting him up there? He's been in the lineup in the 4th spot at that?

 

[Rogue219]

I mean at this point, who cares?

Engel lines up at center field and has shown after 2 years that he has nothing close to resembling a major league bat.

Cordell has played more than Jay and so far, it's pretty much same story different verse as Engel. Another guy with decent fielding, who can't hit water if they fell out of a boat.

The Sox would net a better return by trading a gold painted turd than they would for Engel or Cordell. And it's not like either are still young. They're 27 and if they can't hit worth a damn by now, then it's not gonna happen.

It's not like Alonzo, where the Sox should've got his ass out of the DH slot and put Collins in there to get more AB's.

Goins? Mendick? Palka? It's JUST like Alonso. Get rid of the guy. His buddy is with the Padres. The end.

 

[Southside Sully]

He's 34 years old and not on the team next year, right?

Why keep trotting him up there? He's been in the lineup in the 4th spot at that?

This is exactly what i am saying. Give anyone of these guys more chances then him, including anyone in AAA right now who may have some future in the majors.

 

[Rogue219]

This is exactly what i am saying. Give anyone of these guys more chances then him, including anyone in AAA right now who may have some future in the majors.

They won't be calling up Luis Robert or Madrigal, though.

It's completely pointless to be playing Jon Jay when those at bats could go to anyone else even if they wind up being AAAA guys like the ones mentioned.

What's their beef with Danny Mendick? They can't give the guy a cup of coffee?

 

[Crazy Balki]

Goins? Mendick? Palka? It's JUST like Alonso. Get rid of the guy. His buddy is with the Padres. The end.

Mendick and Goins are infielders.

I'd probably want Palka to get those AB's at RF, but he started out the year with the big league and got 1 hit...just one.

 

[Rogue219]

Mendick and Goins are infielders.

I'd probably want Palka to get those AB's at RF, but he started out the year with the big league and got 1 hit...just one.

That's true, they are, however Mendick has played outfield in Triple A this season. Goins also has limited OF games played but games played nevertheless.

Palka deserved getting sent down, but again, anyone should be getting those plate appearances other than the 34 year old journeyman who will be gone soon that is only there because they tried to woo his friend this past winter only to see his friend go to San Diego.

Anderson, Moncada and Eloy should be getting as many at bats as possible. So should anyone that is either going to be around or someone that needs to get a look to see if they could be around.

 

[Rogue219]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-quiet-breakout/

He's legit.

 

[Southside Sully]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-quiet-breakout/

He's legit.

He is having such a great year.. Our left side is very fun to watch. Lot of swag dripping.

 

[Rogue219]

Amount of below replacement-level hitters with 100+ PA, 2019

White Sox - 7
Royals - 7
Orioles - 6
Tigers - 6
Marlins - 6
Pirates - 6
...
Dodgers - 0
Yankees - 0

Amount of below replacement-level pitchers with 30+ innings pitched, 2019

Orioles - 7
Giants - 6
D'Backs - 5
Rockies - 5
White Sox - 4
Brewers - 4
...
Reds - 1
Astros - 1
A's - 1
Phillies - 1
Twins - 0

@FoolishBB on Twitter

I think if they had a little bit more serviceable starting pitching this year they're in the hunt a bit more. As it stands now, though, they are going to have to fill a lot of holes for 2020.

Still a very intriguing team, and I can't help but wonder what the infield would look like with Moncada at third, Tatis at short and Anderson at second base. I'd be losing sleep over that Tatis for Shields trade if I were a White Sox fan.

Who signed off on that one, Mr. Williams or Mr. Hahn? Shields was already in decline when they got him. I recall thinking it was a bad idea at the time. It most certainly is in hindsight.

This Luis Robert boy is absolutely awesome. Pity we won't see him in September.

 

[Southside Sully]

@FoolishBB on Twitter

I think if they had a little bit more serviceable starting pitching this year they're in the hunt a bit more. As it stands now, though, they are going to have to fill a lot of holes for 2020.

Still a very intriguing team, and I can't help but wonder what the infield would look like with Moncada at third, Tatis at short and Anderson at second base. I'd be losing sleep over that Tatis for Shields trade if I were a White Sox fan.

Who signed off on that one, Mr. Williams or Mr. Hahn? Shields was already in decline when they got him. I recall thinking it was a bad idea at the time. It most certainly is in hindsight.

This Luis Robert boy is absolutely awesome. Pity we won't see him in September.

There is no doubt in my mind that was KW