Can't Get Rid Of That Sick Feeling...

[Dizzyphil]

Wow...maybe I'm wrong, so I'll talk slowly to myself...seriously though guys...the way it works, there is no time to get another camera angle to the replay booth beyond what the network has...its just not feasible based on time...and it has been covered significantly in the sports media, and they say the same thing...if this is a new development, or they did something special at Michigan, i stand corrected. However, why wouldn't the big 10 come out with it if there were indeed the "zapruder" film they used to make the call?

Nobody said to the contrary. Just me and a bud talking to each other about the refs. Thanks for the input though!

 

[BGIF]

BGIF wrote:

phork will give you 11 reasons. More if you count coaches.

I really don't know what you are referring to. I have 1 reason of several, in my opinion, that why ND lost that game. No need to rehash here. And frankly I apologize to you if saying that Charlie makes a great offensive coordinator. I have never called him fat or any other name in the book. Just because I don't drink from the same fountain as you do, doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. Yes I am aware that opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

The defense has 11 players.

The coaches are Tenuta, Brown, and Hart.


I posted 11 words. You sure drew a host of inferences that were neither stated nor implied. Please quote my reference to "I have never called him fat or any other name in the book."

 

[laservet]

Time to get over it. Every losing team blames the refs. But despite all the twisted logic expressed here, AA did step out of bounds. And the national web sites carried photos of a UM offensive lineman having his head ripped off on an obvious uncalled hold. That's football, everyone can point to bad calls in every game. It's the team's job to put themselves in a position to win despite the refs.

Bottom line, ND racked up almost 500 yds total offense, the wide receivers were torching the defense at will, the running game was punishing, ND averaged well over 6 yards per snap, the offense scored two consecutive td's in the last 10 minutes of the game, and had both the lead and possession of the ball at the end of the game. Can't ask to be in a much better position than that. ND lost because 1) poor execution by the offense (I thought the pass plays were good, money calls), no bad calls by the officials involved, and 2) the defense couldn't stop a talented freshman qb from driving 60 yards for a td, also no bad calls involved.

The MSU game is a perfect example. Despite an unbelievably bad call by an official, the team sucked it up and did what they needed to do to win.

 

[Merlin]

the fact that nationwide attention was paid to the officiating in the michigan is enough for me to know that most ppl, even ND haters (tho they will not admit) saw the officiating in that game as suspect.There were links on MSN concerning the officiating, that tells me iot reached a LARGE audience.

Reasons for sick feelings currently in my stomach:

Floyd's injury
Clausens injury (more of a an uneasy feeling...)
Anti Weis attitudes (from ND ppl; I could give a f*ck what other non-ND ppl/programs think about Weis)


When I see an anti-weis rehashed/recycled cracks from ND ppl, I either get incensed enough to fire off a rebuttal, or I just get fed up with it and click off IE.

Ding Ding, we have a winner.

Hey good people, we should all recognise the fact, that due to us being "NOTRE DAME" we have to try twice as hard as everyone else to succeed.....green eye will do that to people! :awesomewo

All together now.....Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum

 

[kmoose]

Wow...maybe I'm wrong, so I'll talk slowly to myself...seriously though guys...the way it works, there is no time to get another camera angle to the replay booth beyond what the network has...its just not feasible based on time...and it has been covered significantly in the sports media, and they say the same thing...if this is a new development, or they did something special at Michigan, i stand corrected. However, why wouldn't the big 10 come out with it if there were indeed the "zapruder" film they used to make the call?

No one has ever suggested that the officials may have seen another angle. What I wondered, is whether or not the replay officials in college have the same replay system, in terms of hardware and software, as the NFL replay officials have? If it is the same system(or a similar system with the same capabilities), then they may have zoomed in on Allen's foot, and that blown up image may have showed, conclusively, that his heel was on the line.

 

[BGIF]

... the Armando Allen touchdown......... You can CLEARLY see, from the WUND camera angle, that Allen was out of bounds. I have seen one photo that APPEARS to show that he did not step out. The problem with that photo is this: His toes never touched the line, his heel did. This was blantantly obvious, in the WUND footage. It's not up for debate. If you look at the popular photo circulating around ND fansites, that APPEARS to show that he was in; in that photo, Allen's heel is still off of the ground. His heel has not come down yet. So it's very possible that the replay clearly showed his heel come down on the line. ...

Interesting that you refer to the WUND photo but not to the WUND text that accompanied it. The officials did not see the WUND video.

Of course, only the camera angles shown by ABC/ESPN really matter in this situation in terms of the officials overturning the call. The play was ruled a touchdown on the field, meaning replay officials needed conclusive evidence to overturn it.
No camera angle shown by ABC/ESPN showed anything conclusive enough to actual overturn the call from the field, where multiple officials on that sideline watching Allen's feet ruled it a touchdown.
So, regardless of the fact that Allen appears to actually be out, the call probably should have stood as a touchdown

The replay official made a call not in evidence.

 

[BGIF]

No one has ever suggested that the officials may have seen another angle. What I wondered, is whether or not the replay officials in college have the same replay system, in terms of hardware and software, as the NFL replay officials have? If it is the same system(or a similar system with the same capabilities), then they may have zoomed in on Allen's foot, and that blown up image may have showed, conclusively, that his heel was on the line.

They do not. NFL uses more equipment. The cost is too extravagant for college football.

 

[kmoose]

They do not. NFL uses more equipment. The cost is too extravagant for college football.

I kind of figured that. But they may still use a less expensive system, that also allows them to manipulate the TV feed, to enhance specific areas of the video. THAT is my complaint about the announcers not bothering to try to inform anyone about the capablilities/limitations of the system.

 

[BGIF]

I kind of figured that. But they may still use a less expensive system, that also allows them to manipulate the TV feed, to enhance specific areas of the video. THAT is my complaint about the announcers not bothering to try to inform anyone about the capablilities/limitations of the system.

I've heard a brief description of the differences (NFL v NCAA) but it's been awhile.

As for the capabilities/limitations I've heard a number of announcers say during a replay timeout, "the official is looking at the same thing we're looking at."

 

[phgreek]

No one has ever suggested that the officials may have seen another angle. What I wondered, is whether or not the replay officials in college have the same replay system, in terms of hardware and software, as the NFL replay officials have? If it is the same system(or a similar system with the same capabilities), then they may have zoomed in on Allen's foot, and that blown up image may have showed, conclusively, that his heel was on the line.

Yup...my fault K...didn't see the earlier banter about enhanced imagery...agree...I wish they'd just tell us what they had...

 

[phgreek]

Nobody said to the contrary. Just me and a bud talking to each other about the refs. Thanks for the input though!

Sorry to invade the thread phil...although this was a thread on an open discussion forum wasn't it?...or are we having software problems?.

Either way, my apologies...

 

[Dizzyphil]

Sorry to invade the thread phil...although this was a thread on an open discussion forum wasn't it?...or are we having software problems?.

Either way, my apologies...

why apology??? Invade???? I said 'none to the contrary', I understand what you are saying, I was just giving the point of view of a referee as I am.