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[Guest]

At what level was this? How many National Championships did you win with what you were teaching?

How many have you won? How much coaching experience do you have? You talk as if you were an authoritative source. What are your credentials? Please share.

 

[Guest]

Division II and I never said I won shit. What does that have to do with anything. It was a successful program and I was never part of a losing season. The head coach I coached for for 12 years held me responsible for my position. If my ILBs didn't know what they were doing we found out why. If players couldn't figure out the scheme, we made it simpler. If a player made the same assignment and/or technique mistakes over and over and we were teaching it correctly, we put in someone else. If you coached and did it differently, good for you. We had accountability as coaches and players. There were many times I took responsibility for my position's poor play and made sure it got better. If you have a problem with that I don't give a crap. I see the same players making the same mistakes over and over for 12 games. Something has to be wrong. If the scheme is too complicated then change it. Sorry. That is how I fell based on my experience.

Ignore Kmoose. He is threatened by you because of your experience and the fact that you don't agree with him hurts his ego. He thinks he is the smartest person on the board and therefore has to make it personal with anyone whom doesn't agree with him.

 

[DCirishfan]

Hike

 

[BeatSC]

Cam McDaniel not getting any love?

There seems to be a "character starter" every year. I hope that ends in 2016.

I would say that Cam kept better players from getting touches but can't say he was the difference between winning and losing like Rees and Schmidt. Rees was actually a solid backup IMO.

 

[Irish Insanity]

He'll be here until Montgomery graduates.

 

[IrishLax]

I would say that Cam kept better players from getting touches but can't say he was the difference between winning and losing like Rees and Schmidt. Rees was actually a solid backup IMO.

Only exception being the Northwestern game, where "reliable" Cam McDaniel fumbled the ball while were running out the clock. That made my blood boil.

 

[IrishLax]

Can anyone who is a coach explain to me the defense we ran at the end of the game? I still can't wrap my head around what we were doing. Large departure from the "prevent" we ran effectively against USC, or the pressure BVG has brought against other teams in that situation.

 

[Irish Insanity]

We ran Prevent-W. We prevented ourselves from getting a W

 

[dang227]

Van Gorder is a gangsta....or needs to take a hike?

Van Gorder is a gangsta....or needs to take a hike?

Can anyone who is a coach explain to me the defense we ran at the end of the game? I still can't wrap my head around what we were doing. Large departure from the "prevent" we ran effectively against USC, or the pressure BVG has brought against other teams in that situation.

It was either a lose cover 2 or Quarters. Farley should have rerouted the receiver and Joe needed to get depth. Farley didn't lay a hand on him and Joe inexplicably just stood there. He literally didn't drop. If he gets 10-15 yards depth he would have been right in that window. He may have been responsible to run with that receiver to give the Safties time to break on the ball. I can't say for sure. It looks like he was just staring in the backfield which left the middle of the field wide open. For a supposed smart player this was beyond stupid with :19 left.

 

[Grahambo]

It was either a lose cover 2 or Quarters. Farley should have rerouted the receiver and Joe needed to get depth. Farley didn't lay a hand on him and Joe inexplicably just stood there. He literally didn't drop. If he gets 10-15 yards depth he would have been right in that window. He may have been responsible to run with that receiver to give the Safties time to break on the ball. I can't say for sure. It looks like he was just staring in the backfield which left the middle of the field wide open. For a supposed smart player this was beyond stupid with :19 left.

You were a coach? Awesome. Where at? (I promise not a smart ass remark. ha)

Joe Schmidt, may life bring you great success.

 

[IrishLax]

We ran Prevent-W. We prevented ourselves from getting a W

Heh...

I mean, here's what I see. We're in nickel (because apparently we never run any sort of dime) and have a "spy" on Hogan as if he's Michael freaking Vick capable of breaking a 60 yard run. The "spy" hangs out at the LOS, completely taking himself out of the play.

Your middle part of the coverage has Smith-Schmidt-Farley across the middle. Not exactly the 3 athletic cover DBs. Moreover, Schmidt is hanging around about 10 yards off the LOS... why isn't he good enough to "spy" from that position in zone and stop Hogan from getting anything more than 10 yards if he breaks past LOS?

The middle of the field is completely open because the safeties are playing deep "cover 2" style zones, and Schmidt is too close to the LOS and is cheating over to cover the receiver on Jaylon's side (probably what he is supposed to do). As such, unless Farley turns into Darrelle Revis there is no stopping that play because we're 1. not trying to rush the passer 2. giving that WR a free release.

Knowing that 25-30 yards in the middle of the field is good enough to lose you the game, I cannot understand AT ALL what we were doing. Seems like pretty much any other type of defense would've been more effective. We were taking away the pass to the sideline, but Stanford had timeouts so that didn't matter. If you drop the "spy" down the middle of the field in coverage instead of having him at the LOS then that route isn't open.

 

[dang227]

Walsh University in North Canton, Oh for 12 years.

 

[Grahambo]

Walsh University in North Canton, Oh for 12 years.

#Respect

 

[Grahambo]

Heh...

I mean, here's what I see. We're in nickel (because apparently we never run any sort of dime) and have a "spy" on Hogan as if he's Michael freaking Vick capable of breaking a 60 yard run. The "spy" hangs out at the LOS, completely taking himself out of the play.

Your middle part of the coverage has Smith-Schmidt-Farley across the middle. Not exactly the 3 athletic cover DBs. Moreover, Schmidt is hanging around about 10 yards off the LOS... why isn't he good enough to "spy" from that position in zone and stop Hogan from getting anything more than 10 yards if he breaks past LOS?

The middle of the field is completely open because the safeties are playing deep "cover 2" style zones, and Schmidt is too close to the LOS and is cheating over to cover the receiver on Jaylon's side (probably what he is supposed to do). As such, unless Farley turns into Darrelle Revis there is no stopping that play because we're 1. not trying to rush the passer 2. giving that WR a free release.

Knowing that 25-30 yards in the middle of the field is good enough to lose you the game, I cannot understand AT ALL what we were doing. Seems like pretty much any other type of defense would've been more effective. We were taking away the pass to the sideline, but Stanford had timeouts so that didn't matter. If you drop the "spy" down the middle of the field in coverage instead of having him at the LOS then that route isn't open.

Better served playing straight up man. Or at the very least, put Jaylon on Cajuste. How about Torii Hunter Jr? Wasn't he cross training for the last several weeks? Put him on Cajuste?

This is just my butt hurt, MMQB dumb ideas.

 

[Cackalacky]

It was either a lose cover 2 or Quarters. Farley should have rerouted the receiver and Joe needed to get depth. Farley didn't lay a hand on him and Joe inexplicably just stood there. He literally didn't drop. If he gets 10-15 yards depth he would have been right in that window. He may have been responsible to run with that receiver to give the Safties time to break on the ball. I can't say for sure. It looks like he was just staring in the backfield which left the middle of the field wide open. For a supposed smart player this was beyond stupid with :19 left.

Or he was doing what he was supposed to by spying the Qb and Hogan hit the seam which is ALWAYS open under BVG.

 

[kmoose]

It was either a lose cover 2 or Quarters. Farley should have rerouted the receiver and Joe needed to get depth. Farley didn't lay a hand on him and Joe inexplicably just stood there. He literally didn't drop. If he gets 10-15 yards depth he would have been right in that window. He may have been responsible to run with that receiver to give the Safties time to break on the ball. I can't say for sure. It looks like he was just staring in the backfield which left the middle of the field wide open. For a supposed smart player this was beyond stupid with :19 left.

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The play starts at about the 2:12 mark. You can see that Joe and Jaylon both have depth at the snap, as they are lined up 10 yards behind the LOS. Joe and Jaylon are both held by the Tight End coming in between their zones. Not sure if that was a blown assignment or just a really nice play call by Stanford. I suspect the mistake might have been made by one of the safeties. Both of them started back-pedaling at the snap of the ball. I imagine that one of them should have been ready to break on a shorter route, while the other one covered anything over the top.

 

[dang227]

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The play starts at about the 2:12 mark. You can see that Joe and Jaylon both have depth at the snap, as they are lined up 10 yards behind the LOS. Joe and Jaylon are both held by the Tight End coming in between their zones. Not sure if that was a blown assignment or just a really nice play call by Stanford. I suspect the mistake might have been made by one of the safeties. Both of them started back-pedaling at the snap of the ball. I imagine that one of them should have been ready to break on a shorter route, while the other one covered anything over the top.

Can't obviously say for sure but the TE should have been Jaylon's. Not sure why Joe would be affected by # 2 opposite of him. Again, we can all speculate but someone screwed something up. I would be interested to hear what defense we actually were in. I

 

[Grahambo]

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The play starts at about the 2:12 mark. You can see that Joe and Jaylon both have depth at the snap, as they are lined up 10 yards behind the LOS. Joe and Jaylon are both held by the Tight End coming in between their zones. Not sure if that was a blown assignment or just a really nice play call by Stanford. I suspect the mistake might have been made by one of the safeties. Both of them started back-pedaling at the snap of the ball. I imagine that one of them should have been ready to break on a shorter route, while the other one covered anything over the top.

Here's my issue:

The ball is on the left hashmark so why is Joe also on the hash when Jaylon is already on that side of the field? There are 4 guys on the short side of the field. Why?

 

[dang227]

Here's my issue:



The ball is on the left hashmark so why is Joe also on the hash when Jaylon is already on that side of the field? There are 4 guys on the short side of the field. Why?

I just rewatched it a couple times. I even did it in slo mo. I can't tell you what the hell any of the underneath droppers are doing. Both Farley and Jaylon are lined up with outside leverage on the # 2's their side. Okwara is spying for some reason and Joe just stands there. Farley looks like he backpedals initially. With Okwara spying there is no doubt in my mind Joe should get depth. They gave all four receivers free release. If Farley and Jaylon don't wall off their #2's I can't tell you what coverage it is. Back in the day we tried to reroute the inside routes so the couldn't get in the middle of the field.

 

[kmoose]

Here's my issue:

The ball is on the left hashmark so why is Joe also on the hash when Jaylon is already on that side of the field? There are 4 guys on the short side of the field. Why?

I'm guessing, and only guessing, because you had three potential receivers on that side of the field........ the WR, the TE, and the RB was lined up to that side of the QB. I also noticed that Romeo Okwara is standing up like a LB(on the opposite side; the one with the 2 WRs), just off the LOS. It looks like his presence takes away the quick slant passing lanes, and that maybe Stanford read that and just adjusted their routes deeper.

 

[IrishLax]

I just rewatched it a couple times. I even did it in slo mo. I can't tell you what the hell any of the underneath droppers are doing. Both Farley and Jaylon are lined up with outside leverage on the # 2's their side. Okwara is spying for some reason and Joe just stands there. Farley looks like he backpedals initially. With Okwara spying there is no doubt in my mind Joe should get depth. They gave all four receivers free release. If Farley and Jaylon don't wall off their #2's I can't tell you what coverage it is. Back in the day we tried to reroute the inside routes so the couldn't get in the middle of the field.

This is exactly where I'm at, and why I have no idea WTF is going on. Either it was idiot design or idiot execution. Or both. But the middle of the field is completely vacated and the play is easy to execute.

 

[IrishLax]

Here's my issue:

The ball is on the left hashmark so why is Joe also on the hash when Jaylon is already on that side of the field? There are 4 guys on the short side of the field. Why?

I almost wonder if the issue is they practice the coverage a certain way and assume that there ISN'T a spy and instead there would be another player dropping in coverage to Joe's left. That's the only thing I can come up with, because it's just so clearly f*cked and had no chance of succeeding.

 

[dang227]

This is exactly where I'm at, and why I have no idea WTF is going on. Either it was idiot design or idiot execution. Or both. But the middle of the field is completely vacated and the play is easy to execute.

I completely agree. Chances are it was both. Didn't Shaw say afterwards they thought they could get a lane? If that is the case they were expecting that look which is scary to think we were supposed to do that. It almost looked like a Hail Mary defense.

 

[IrishLax]

I completely agree. Chances are it was both. Didn't Shaw say afterwards they thought they could get a lane? If that is the case they were expecting that look which is scary to think we were supposed to do that. It almost looked like a Hail Mary defense.

When the opponent only needs 25 yards to get into field goal range...

And yeah, I don't have a replay of the game on hand but I think we ran the exact same coverage on the play before (incomplete to the sideline) and maybe the play before that too which was a 15 yard penalty. Basically, Joe Schmidt being the only guy in the middle of the field and leaving wide swaths of green grass uncovered.

 

[irishandy]

Give BVG 1 more year and work on tackling 101 at the legs in the offseason.

 

[Grahambo]

I just rewatched it a couple times. I even did it in slo mo. I can't tell you what the hell any of the underneath droppers are doing. Both Farley and Jaylon are lined up with outside leverage on the # 2's their side. Okwara is spying for some reason and Joe just stands there. Farley looks like he backpedals initially. With Okwara spying there is no doubt in my mind Joe should get depth. They gave all four receivers free release. If Farley and Jaylon don't wall off their #2's I can't tell you what coverage it is. Back in the day we tried to reroute the inside routes so the couldn't get in the middle of the field.

I hate how far back the secondary was to start the play. Why are we spying with the guy who has 9 sacks on the year? Is it me or did Hogan freeze Joe with staring him down? Which led to Joe not knowing where he should go? Jaylon was pointing at the TE so not sure if he's passing the TE off to Joe?

I'm guessing, and only guessing, because you had three potential receivers on that side of the field........ the WR, the TE, and the RB was lined up to that side of the QB. I also noticed that Romeo Okwara is standing up like a LB(on the opposite side; the one with the 2 WRs), just off the LOS. It looks like his presence takes away the quick slant passing lanes, and that maybe Stanford read that and just adjusted their routes deeper.

Either Romeo didn't get depth as he should have (again, why is he in that position to begin with) or Joe was supposed to drift to the far side and literally shuffled his feet and didn't move.

This is exactly where I'm at, and why I have no idea WTF is going on. Either it was idiot design or idiot execution. Or both. But the middle of the field is completely vacated and the play is easy to execute.

It honestly is confusing. There looks to be a whole lot of not knowing going on right there.

I almost wonder if the issue is they practice the coverage a certain way and assume that there ISN'T a spy and instead there would be another player dropping in coverage to Joe's left. That's the only thing I can come up with, because it's just so clearly f*cked and had no chance of succeeding.

Either that or Joe was supposed to immediately take away that huge gap. Again, you have 4 guys on the short side of the field for whatever reason. If anything, Joe should've been lined up on the other hash with Jaylon in the spot where Joe is. Why is Romeo not rushing the QB with a guy like Torii Hunter occupying the open space?

I completely agree. Chances are it was both. Didn't Shaw say afterwards they thought they could get a lane? If that is the case they were expecting that look which is scary to think we were supposed to do that. It almost looked like a Hail Mary defense.

I hate prevent defense. Absolutely hate it.

When the opponent only needs 25 yards to get into field goal range...

And yeah, I don't have a replay of the game on hand but I think we ran the exact same coverage on the play before (incomplete to the sideline) and maybe the play before that too which was a 15 yard penalty. Basically, Joe Schmidt being the only guy in the middle of the field and leaving wide swaths of green grass uncovered.

Not only that but he still couldn't catch up to Cajuste who was right behind him. I mean, its one thing to catch it but Cajuste was able to pick up an additional what, 7-10 yards? So, if he catches it and is tackled then you still aren't in FG range. Once again, Joe Schmidt playing when he shouldn't be.

 

[kmoose]

Walsh University in North Canton, Oh for 12 years.

Jesus Christ!! I graduated from Hoover. LOL!

 

[Luckylucci]

Too much talent on D to play that poorly. Not sure the solution but that was not good all night. Completely abused and some questions should be asked.

 

[IrishLax]

Don Brown (Boston College DC) runs a pretty aggressive defense. They attack, stop the run, and get lots of TFL. Pretty much all the goals of a BVG defense.

They do this with less "talent" than ND and without the coverage breakdowns. So...

 

[Luckylucci]

Don Brown (Boston College DC) runs a pretty aggressive defense. They attack, stop the run, and get lots of TFL. Pretty much all the goals of a BVG defense.

They do this with less "talent" than ND and without the coverage breakdowns. So...

Yea, for having quite a bit of NFL talent and running an "NFL" scheme there is a lot to be desired. I think the overall performance on the year was ok but last night was really bad relative to the talent we have.