All Things SCOTUS

[BuaConstrictor]

Try reading what I actually said

I did read it. You're retarded...and so is your point

You're not even correct on the base level facts of the case. It wasn't a caterer, it was a baker. Secondly, I politically align with Justice Brown Jackson's side of the aisle on quite a bit but sided with the baker in that action. A lot of liberals did. The argument there was compelling the person(baker) to create art/expression for the gay couple(more on that in a bit) against his religious beliefs was unconstitutional as well as the state courts unfairly stigmatizing his case.

The case around the website design referenced is an a fun one centered around if a website is more of a public service than artistic expression of creation. I think there are design aspects of a website that could fall into the latter category but most web design services are seen as just that, services. That one is a more interesting case study.

To the gay couple deal....I find most lawsuits like this to be performative bullshit. Both sides of the political aisle do this and these lawsuits rarely come from a place of good faith. They are generated by zealots in advocacy groups trying to make a scene. In the cake baking instance, that couple went from baker to baker to try and drum up a controversy. Right wing groups do the same thing with schools, restaurants, and other private businesses hunting for "discrimination" against religious folks.


All politics is theatre.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'd rather a trans person read me a book than be born into a MAGA house lmaooooo

Yeah, tell that to my neighbor. Their 2 year old healthy son died in his sleep after getting a round of vaccines. It's rare, but so are the chances of an unvaxed kid randomly dying from something. I've obviously had my own issues with my son and vaccines. We've continued to vax all our kids despite the fact our autistic son obviously does not respond well to the jabs (He's probably done receiving anymore shots at this point though). His first round of shots triggered his initial regression as a toddler, and then recently he needed shots for junior high and those started his seizures. While harmless for most, vaccines are not 100% safe for everyone. Hopefully there comes a day when they can test for auto-immune diseases and other factors that can lead to bad side effects.

 

[TorontoGold]

Yeah, tell that to my neighbor. Their 2 year old healthy son died in his sleep after getting a round of vaccines. It's rare, but so are the chances of an unvaxed kid randomly dying from something. I've obviously had my own issues with my son and vaccines. We've continued to vax all our kids despite the fact our autistic son obviously does not respond well to the jabs (He's probably done receiving anymore shots at this point though). His first round of shots triggered his initial regression as a toddler, and then recently he needed shots for junior high and those started his seizures. While harmless for most, vaccines are not 100% safe for everyone. Hopefully there comes a day when they can test for auto-immune diseases and other factors that can lead to bad side effects.

If your neighbor was an antivaxxer, then yeah I would tell them that. You know who has a higher death rate between vaxxed and unvaxxed kids? The unvaxxed kids. How many vaccinated kids died from measles this year? None.

Now, we can talk about my friends who've killed themselves because of the rhetoric that classifies them as groomers. My friend in high school, hung themselves, my friend last year killed themselves because they were raped outside of an art show they were showing at. We found out after the fact they had been abused by a chaser.

So yeah, you can miss me the false equivalences. Like any community there are always going to be bad people, but the majority of anti-vaxxers are bad people.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

His first round of shots triggered his initial regression as a toddler

Unsubstantiated conjecture.

Their 2 year old healthy son died in his sleep after getting a round of vaccines

Was it proven there was a connection or is this just more unproven conjecture?

 

[ulukinatme]

If your neighbor was an antivaxxer, then yeah I would tell them that. You know who has a higher death rate between vaxxed and unvaxxed kids? The unvaxxed kids. How many vaccinated kids died from measles this year? None.

Now, we can talk about my friends who've killed themselves because of the rhetoric that classifies them as groomers. My friend in high school, hung themselves, my friend last year killed themselves because they were raped outside of an art show they were showing at. We found out after the fact they had been abused by a chaser.

So yeah, you can miss me the false equivalences. Like any community there are always going to be bad people, but the majority of anti-vaxxers are bad people.

She's not an anti-vaxer, but she's got her other kids on delayed schedule now and she spreads out the shots. She just posted this week how her son would have been 8 years old four days ago. Like I said, it's rare, but vaccines aren't always harmless. Some of us have been living with the side effects and it's not pleasant, especially when some of these like chicken pox are easily survivable. That was one of the vaccines my son just got when his seizures triggered. I would have much rather he just get chicken pox for a week. Now he's on two medications twice a day, possibly for the rest of his life, to deal with the seizures.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Some of us have been living with the side effects

You don't know that.

she's got her other kids on delayed schedule now and she spreads out the shots.

So....has this been proven to be safe or is she just making up shit as she goes along?

 

[TorontoGold]

She's not an anti-vaxer, but she's got her other kids on delayed schedule now and she spreads out the shots. She just posted this week how her son would have been 8 years old four days ago. Like I said, it's rare, but vaccines aren't always harmless. Some of us have been living with the side effects and it's not pleasant, especially when some of these like chicken pox are easily survivable. That was one of the vaccines my son just got when his seizures triggered. I would have much rather he just get chicken pox for a week. Now he's on two medications twice a day, possibly for the rest of his life, to deal with the seizures.

Ok. My meme is about anti-vaxxer parents. They put their children and family at risk. Chicken pox death rates are still higher among unvaccinated than vaccinated. No matter the case, it is better in aggregate to have your child vaccinated.

 

[ulukinatme]

Ok. My meme is about anti-vaxxer parents. They put their children and family at risk. Chicken pox death rates are still higher among unvaccinated than vaccinated. No matter the case, it is better in aggregate to have your child vaccinated.

C'mon now, be serious. There are 30 chicken pox deaths per year, and they're in kids with comorbidities and/or other factors. Before the vax was created? 100 deaths per year, same scenario. That's it. It's the COVID jab all over again, healthy kids don't need it. If my child had other diseases it might make sense to get that chicken pox shot, but our school district told us he needed it so we went got it for him...and it could have been one of the three jabs he got that contributed to his sudden seizures. Healthy kids don't need a chicken pox vaccine.

 

[TorontoGold]

C'mon now, be serious. There are 30 chicken pox deaths per year, and they're in kids with comorbidities and/or other factors. Before the vax was created? 100 deaths per year, same scenario. That's it. It's the COVID jab all over again, healthy kids don't need it. If my child had other diseases it might make sense to get that chicken pox shot, but our school district told us he needed it so we went got it for him...and it could have been one of the three jabs he got that contributed to his sudden seizures. Healthy kids don't need a chicken pox vaccine.

Do you understand the hypocrisy yet? Now, apply this line of thinking to trans people reading books and how many people have been charged with grooming kids that are trans. Do you think it's appropriate to call them all groomers???

 

[ulukinatme]

Do you understand the hypocrisy yet? Now, apply this line of thinking to trans people reading books and how many people have been charged with grooming kids that are trans. Do you think it's appropriate to call them all groomers???

Did I say they're all groomers? No. I posted a meme. No need to twist it. Feel free to answer the question it poses though.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Ok. My meme is about anti-vaxxer parents. They put their children and family at risk. Chicken pox death rates are still higher among unvaccinated than vaccinated. No matter the case, it is better in aggregate to have your child vaccinated.

Don't forget about how it helps lessen any side effects later in life if the virus reactivated as shingles

 

[BuaConstrictor]

and it could have been one of the three jabs he got that contributed to his sudden seizures.

Or the seizures are unrelated and you're just looking for something to blame.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

I posted a meme.

You posted some dumb shit (as usual).

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Did I say they're all groomers? No. I posted a meme. No need to twist it. Feel free to answer the question it poses though.

Dude it's just disrespectful no matter how harmless you think it is. Especially with a trans person here. I've gone out of my way to make sure anything I've said about vaccines or autism came across respectful and being aware of your child. And if I was ever unsure of the tone, I've made it clear that my intention was to be respectful. The least you could do is afford me the same accommodation.

 

[TorontoGold]

Did I say they're all groomers? No. I posted a meme. No need to twist it. Feel free to answer the question it poses though.

What am I twisting? It's a post from an account "gays against groomers" showing a caricature of trans person running when someone asks why they read to kids?

How we know that trans people or people in drag don't read to the elderly? Do you go out of your way to look for that information or just assume they don't? Plenty of drag queens do numerous events. I've seen some at big suit and tie finance events.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

What am I twisting? It's a post from an account "gays against groomers" showing a caricature of trans person running when someone asks why they read to kids?

How we know that trans people or people in drag don't read to the elderly? Do you go out of your way to look for that information or just assume they don't? Plenty of drag queens do numerous events. I've seen some at big suit and tie finance events.

It's a bull shit transphobic caricature from an account ran by a bigot. That's only used to spread fear. It's disgusting on so many levels

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Did I say they're all groomers? No. I posted a meme. No need to twist it. Feel free to answer the question it poses though.

You want an answer to your question? It's probably because more LGBTQ kids are likely to be depressed, attempt suicide, are bullied at higher rates, abuse and become addicted to illicit substances, and be victims of sexual violence. Heaven for bid they want kids to know that they're not alone and that there is a light at the end of the tunnel. It's not about indoctrination, it's about letting them know it can get better. Have some compassion.

New Research on LGBTQ+ Teen Suicide Rates

New research examines the high LGBTQ teen suicide ratess. Support from parents and peers can counteract these LGBTQ+ suicide statistics.

www.newportacademy.com

 

[ulukinatme]

Dude it's just disrespectful no matter how harmless you think it is. Especially with a trans person here. I've gone out of my way to make sure anything I've said about vaccines or autism came across respectful and being aware of your child. And if I was ever unsure of the tone, I've made it clear that my intention was to be respectful. The least you could do is afford me the same accommodation.

I think you're taking the meme personally. I promise it's not personal and it's not directed at you. You seem like a good person. Obviously not all trans people are the same, just like not all football fans are the same. If you make a statement about one it doesn't apply to all. I've mentioned my niece identified as trans through most of her teens after she was abused by her own father at a young age. The meme doesn't apply to her even if she still identified that way, and it does not apply to you. I appreciate your thoughts about my son, regardless I know I'm still going to get pushback from people on my experiences with vaccines because some people will only accept what they've been fed by the media and elites. Those same people might feel differently if the shoes are reversed. I obviously still vaccinate my other kids regardless, we've just decided after recent events to stop with our middle son since he doesn't seem to handle vaxes well. I'll continue to share my experience even if it's unpopular and maybe other people will too.

It's about conversation, I'm not forcing anyone to do anything, I'm just making people aware there are outliers. Just like there are outliers when it comes to some people reading to kids. Not all have good intentions, and as a father of three it does make one question why it's seemingly always the kids these ill-intent individuals want to read to and not the sick, the elderly, etc. I just wouldn't be comfortable with my kids sitting down with a stranger for such a book read. Quite frankly I'm going to have serious questions and suspicions of ANY adult that wants to spend time with my children unless I know well who they are or I'm present at all times. I don't have a problem with your personal lifestyle, I encourage you to live it as you like, but until they're adults I question anyone my kids are around. That doesn't mean I don't allow my kids around like minded individuals. My daughter got accepted into the high school band in 7th grade due to a lack of participants. The lead synth in the band pit is trans, they're good people and my daughter is good friends with them. She's hung out with them outside of band (mostly group settings as they're a friend clique), the only thing I didn't allow was a sleepover they did for all pit members, and that was strictly because I felt she was too young since most of the pit were seniors 5 years older than her. I've got to be protective, there are some things she's not ready for yet. Maybe I'm a little overprotective with my kids, but it's hard not to be when I've seen what my own niece endured at the hands of her own father. I make it a point to know who my kids hang out with and I get to know their parents.

I'm getting in the weeds a bit here. I guess what I'm getting at is I wouldn't expect people to shy away from the topic of vaccines on account of me, and in fact I know they won't. That doesn't mean I won't share what we've been through and what we've seen in our community. Nobody plays soft when we discuss Alabama football on this board despite Bishop being here, he's free to respond however he likes and of course not all of it applies to him. Obviously we discuss politics here with people entrenched deep in their own sides, but nobody tiptoes around that because it would stifle discussion. I can say something like "Young Notre Dame fans are egotistical" and obviously that doesn't extend to all Notre Dame fans. We're obviously going to talk about LGBTQ and specifically at times trans topics here, and not all of them would pertain to you directly, I hope you know that. Hopefully we can still have discussion. The meme was directed towards individuals that would take advantage of kids. That's obviously not you.

 

[TorontoGold]

I think you're taking the meme personally. I promise it's not personal and it's not directed at you. You seem like a good person. Obviously not all trans people are the same, just like not all football fans are the same. If you make a statement about one it doesn't apply to all. I've mentioned my niece identified as trans through most of her teens after she was abused by her own father at a young age. The meme doesn't apply to her even if she still identified that way, and it does not apply to you. I appreciate your thoughts about my son, regardless I know I'm still going to get pushback from people on my experiences with vaccines because some people will only accept what they've been fed by the media and elites. Those same people might feel differently if the shoes are reversed. I obviously still vaccinate my other kids regardless, we've just decided after recent events to stop with our middle son since he doesn't seem to handle vaxes well. I'll continue to share my experience even if it's unpopular and maybe other people will too.

It's about conversation, I'm not forcing anyone to do anything, I'm just making people aware there are outliers. Just like there are outliers when it comes to some people reading to kids. Not all have good intentions, and as a father of three it does make one question why it's seemingly always the kids these ill-intent individuals want to read to and not the sick, the elderly, etc. I just wouldn't be comfortable with my kids sitting down with a stranger for such a book read. Quite frankly I'm going to have serious questions and suspicions of ANY adult that wants to spend time with my children unless I know well who they are or I'm present at all times. I don't have a problem with your personal lifestyle, I encourage you to live it as you like, but I draw the line when it comes to my kids. That doesn't mean I don't allow my kids around like minded individuals. My daughter got accepted into the high school band in 7th grade due to a lack of participants. The lead synth in the band pit is trans, they're good people and my daughter is good friends with them. She's hung out with them outside of band (mostly group settings as they're a friend clique), the only thing I didn't allow was a sleepover they did for all pit members, and that was strictly because I felt she was too young since most of the pit were seniors 5 years older than her. I've got to be protective, there are some things she's not ready for yet. Maybe I'm a little overprotective with my kids, but it's hard not to be when I've seen what my own niece endured at the hands of her own father. I make it a point to know who my kids hang out with and I get to know their parents.

I'm getting in the weeds a bit here. I guess what I'm getting at is I wouldn't expect people to shy away from the topic of vaccines on account of me, and in fact I know they won't. That doesn't mean I won't share what we've been through and what we've seen in our community. Nobody plays soft when we discuss Alabama football on this board despite Bishop being here, he's free to respond however he likes and of course not all of it applies to him. Obviously we discuss politics here with people entrenched deep in their own sides, but nobody tiptoes around that because it would stifle discussion. I can say something like "Young Notre Dame fans are egotistical" and obviously that doesn't extend to all Notre Dame fans. We're obviously going to talk about LGBTQ and specifically at times trans topics here, and not all of them would pertain to you directly, I hope you know that. Hopefully we can still have discussion. The meme was directed towards individuals that would take advantage of kids. That's obviously not you.

Why wouldn't Colorado take it personally? Are you seriously not seeing that? What if someone said "All autistic kids should have been aborted" would you just say "haha! good one!". Like, buddy, you need to have an *ounce* of self awareness. You shared a gross meme from an account and a post that had "GAYS AGAINST GROOMERS" with a caricature of a trans person.

Oh, and Bishop liking Alabama and Colorado being trans aren't even remotely close to the same thing. Maybe if you were talking about the nuances of hormone therapy for minors, but you're sharing shit that implies that trans people are groomers is trash. Aimed at people who take advantage of kids, despite it specifically being targeted at trans people.

Just own up to it and apologize - move on. It's fucking gross. Would you show that meme to your daughters friend's parents, probably not.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I think you're taking the meme personally. I promise it's not personal and it's not directed at you. You seem like a good person. Obviously not all trans people are the same, just like not all football fans are the same. If you make a statement about one it doesn't apply to all. I've mentioned my niece identified as trans through most of her teens after she was abused by her own father at a young age. The meme doesn't apply to her even if she still identified that way, and it does not apply to you. I appreciate your thoughts about my son, regardless I know I'm still going to get pushback from people on my experiences with vaccines because some people will only accept what they've been fed by the media and elites. Those same people might feel differently if the shoes are reversed. I obviously still vaccinate my other kids regardless, we've just decided after recent events to stop with our middle son since he doesn't seem to handle vaxes well. I'll continue to share my experience even if it's unpopular and maybe other people will too.

It's about conversation, I'm not forcing anyone to do anything, I'm just making people aware there are outliers. Just like there are outliers when it comes to some people reading to kids. Not all have good intentions, and as a father of three it does make one question why it's seemingly always the kids these ill-intent individuals want to read to and not the sick, the elderly, etc. I just wouldn't be comfortable with my kids sitting down with a stranger for such a book read. Quite frankly I'm going to have serious questions and suspicions of ANY adult that wants to spend time with my children unless I know well who they are or I'm present at all times. I don't have a problem with your personal lifestyle, I encourage you to live it as you like, but I draw the line when it comes to my kids. That doesn't mean I don't allow my kids around like minded individuals. My daughter got accepted into the high school band in 7th grade due to a lack of participants. The lead synth in the band pit is trans, they're good people and my daughter is good friends with them. She's hung out with them outside of band (mostly group settings as they're a friend clique), the only thing I didn't allow was a sleepover they did for all pit members, and that was strictly because I felt she was too young since most of the pit were seniors 5 years older than her. I've got to be protective, there are some things she's not ready for yet. Maybe I'm a little overprotective with my kids, but it's hard not to be when I've seen what my own niece endured at the hands of her own father. I make it a point to know who my kids hang out with and I get to know their parents.

I'm getting in the weeds a bit here. I guess what I'm getting at is I wouldn't expect people to shy away from the topic of vaccines on account of me, and in fact I know they won't. That doesn't mean I won't share what we've been through and what we've seen in our community. Nobody plays soft when we discuss Alabama football on this board despite Bishop being here, he's free to respond however he likes and of course not all of it applies to him. Obviously we discuss politics here with people entrenched deep in their own sides, but nobody tiptoes around that because it would stifle discussion. I can say something like "Young Notre Dame fans are egotistical" and obviously that doesn't extend to all Notre Dame fans. We're obviously going to talk about LGBTQ and specifically at times trans topics here, and not all of them would pertain to you directly, I hope you know that. Hopefully we can still have discussion. The meme was directed towards individuals that would take advantage of kids. That's obviously not you.

It's done in bad taste and disrespectful. And if I took it personally I would've said something much sooner.

The meme was directed towards individuals that would take advantage of kids.

This part is ridiculous. If a kid is going to be sexually assaulted it's more than likely going to be by a family member, not some fictional trans person. And you/others posting something like it normalizes it. You at one point got upset because I brought up Catholic priests molesting kids. That's far more likely to happen than a trans person doing. Hell the trans person is more likely to be sexually assaulted than others.

You can say it's a joke but your perpetuating bs stereotypes that negatively impact the people you're making fun of. I have to worry about my safety because of this kind of shit. Im terrified when I go out in public because I've been followed by over protective dad's when I'm just trying to get groceries.

You need to take a step back and think about how this impacts others.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Why wouldn't Colorado take it personally? Are you seriously not seeing that? What if someone said "All autistic kids should have been aborted" would you just say "haha! good one!". Like, buddy, you need to have an *ounce* of self awareness. You shared a gross meme from an account and a post that had "GAYS AGAINST GROOMERS" with a caricature of a trans person.

Oh, and Bishop liking Alabama and Colorado being trans aren't even remotely close to the same thing. Maybe if you were talking about the nuances of hormone therapy for minors, but you're sharing shit that implies that trans people are groomers is trash. Aimed at people who take advantage of kids, despite it specifically being targeted at trans people.

Just own up to it and apologize - move on. It's fucking gross. Would you show that meme to your daughters friend's parents, probably not.

I've had to learn to not take these things personally, and while I've gotten better at it, the truth over the matter is these kinds of things so affect personally. Maybe not in the moment but in the grand scheme of things it greatly impacts my life. The more this rhetoric makes the things, the more crazy jackasses believe it. My life, like everyone else's, is difficult enough as it is. It would be really great if people didn't go around spreading falsehoods and negative stereotypes that put my life at risk.

Transgender people over four times more likely than cisgender people to be victims of violent crime

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I think you're taking the meme personally. I promise it's not personal and it's not directed at you. You seem like a good person. Obviously not all trans people are the same, just like not all football fans are the same. If you make a statement about one it doesn't apply to all. I've mentioned my niece identified as trans through most of her teens after she was abused by her own father at a young age. The meme doesn't apply to her even if she still identified that way, and it does not apply to you. I appreciate your thoughts about my son, regardless I know I'm still going to get pushback from people on my experiences with vaccines because some people will only accept what they've been fed by the media and elites. Those same people might feel differently if the shoes are reversed. I obviously still vaccinate my other kids regardless, we've just decided after recent events to stop with our middle son since he doesn't seem to handle vaxes well. I'll continue to share my experience even if it's unpopular and maybe other people will too.

It's about conversation, I'm not forcing anyone to do anything, I'm just making people aware there are outliers. Just like there are outliers when it comes to some people reading to kids. Not all have good intentions, and as a father of three it does make one question why it's seemingly always the kids these ill-intent individuals want to read to and not the sick, the elderly, etc. I just wouldn't be comfortable with my kids sitting down with a stranger for such a book read. Quite frankly I'm going to have serious questions and suspicions of ANY adult that wants to spend time with my children unless I know well who they are or I'm present at all times. I don't have a problem with your personal lifestyle, I encourage you to live it as you like, but until they're adults I question anyone my kids are around. That doesn't mean I don't allow my kids around like minded individuals. My daughter got accepted into the high school band in 7th grade due to a lack of participants. The lead synth in the band pit is trans, they're good people and my daughter is good friends with them. She's hung out with them outside of band (mostly group settings as they're a friend clique), the only thing I didn't allow was a sleepover they did for all pit members, and that was strictly because I felt she was too young since most of the pit were seniors 5 years older than her. I've got to be protective, there are some things she's not ready for yet. Maybe I'm a little overprotective with my kids, but it's hard not to be when I've seen what my own niece endured at the hands of her own father. I make it a point to know who my kids hang out with and I get to know their parents.

I'm getting in the weeds a bit here. I guess what I'm getting at is I wouldn't expect people to shy away from the topic of vaccines on account of me, and in fact I know they won't. That doesn't mean I won't share what we've been through and what we've seen in our community. Nobody plays soft when we discuss Alabama football on this board despite Bishop being here, he's free to respond however he likes and of course not all of it applies to him. Obviously we discuss politics here with people entrenched deep in their own sides, but nobody tiptoes around that because it would stifle discussion. I can say something like "Young Notre Dame fans are egotistical" and obviously that doesn't extend to all Notre Dame fans. We're obviously going to talk about LGBTQ and specifically at times trans topics here, and not all of them would pertain to you directly, I hope you know that. Hopefully we can still have discussion. The meme was directed towards individuals that would take advantage of kids. That's obviously not you.

Just one more response regarding your son and his autism. My background is in education and I minored in special education. And because I'm Neuro divergent. So I get it and I understand it. I think the rhetoric that were hearing from RFK and others is absolutely appalling. We're seeing way to much vilification of people that aren't considered "normal" and we're making them out to be Boogeyman in our current culture.

Show your niece your posts and see what she says. Show it to your daughters friend's family and tell them it wasn't about them.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I think you're taking the meme personally. I promise it's not personal and it's not directed at you. You seem like a good person. Obviously not all trans people are the same, just like not all football fans are the same. If you make a statement about one it doesn't apply to all. I've mentioned my niece identified as trans through most of her teens after she was abused by her own father at a young age. The meme doesn't apply to her even if she still identified that way, and it does not apply to you. I appreciate your thoughts about my son, regardless I know I'm still going to get pushback from people on my experiences with vaccines because some people will only accept what they've been fed by the media and elites. Those same people might feel differently if the shoes are reversed. I obviously still vaccinate my other kids regardless, we've just decided after recent events to stop with our middle son since he doesn't seem to handle vaxes well. I'll continue to share my experience even if it's unpopular and maybe other people will too.

It's about conversation, I'm not forcing anyone to do anything, I'm just making people aware there are outliers. Just like there are outliers when it comes to some people reading to kids. Not all have good intentions, and as a father of three it does make one question why it's seemingly always the kids these ill-intent individuals want to read to and not the sick, the elderly, etc. I just wouldn't be comfortable with my kids sitting down with a stranger for such a book read. Quite frankly I'm going to have serious questions and suspicions of ANY adult that wants to spend time with my children unless I know well who they are or I'm present at all times. I don't have a problem with your personal lifestyle, I encourage you to live it as you like, but until they're adults I question anyone my kids are around. That doesn't mean I don't allow my kids around like minded individuals. My daughter got accepted into the high school band in 7th grade due to a lack of participants. The lead synth in the band pit is trans, they're good people and my daughter is good friends with them. She's hung out with them outside of band (mostly group settings as they're a friend clique), the only thing I didn't allow was a sleepover they did for all pit members, and that was strictly because I felt she was too young since most of the pit were seniors 5 years older than her. I've got to be protective, there are some things she's not ready for yet. Maybe I'm a little overprotective with my kids, but it's hard not to be when I've seen what my own niece endured at the hands of her own father. I make it a point to know who my kids hang out with and I get to know their parents.

I'm getting in the weeds a bit here. I guess what I'm getting at is I wouldn't expect people to shy away from the topic of vaccines on account of me, and in fact I know they won't. That doesn't mean I won't share what we've been through and what we've seen in our community. Nobody plays soft when we discuss Alabama football on this board despite Bishop being here, he's free to respond however he likes and of course not all of it applies to him. Obviously we discuss politics here with people entrenched deep in their own sides, but nobody tiptoes around that because it would stifle discussion. I can say something like "Young Notre Dame fans are egotistical" and obviously that doesn't extend to all Notre Dame fans. We're obviously going to talk about LGBTQ and specifically at times trans topics here, and not all of them would pertain to you directly, I hope you know that. Hopefully we can still have discussion. The meme was directed towards individuals that would take advantage of kids. That's obviously not you.

Sorry I'm on my phone and can't respond to all of this at once because of how long it is.

Wanting to protect your kids is a perfectly normal parental instinct and I'll never hold that against someone. And you're saying you wouldn't trust them with any adult your sure seemed focused on a specific group of people who are much more likely to be victims as opposed to the perpetrators of these crimes. You're children are more unsafe with relatives, teachers, coaches, and even religious figures than they are by going to a book reading by drag queen. I've already posted a more in-depth response to why they may want to volunteer their time this way so I won't rehash it. But the focus on this instead of numerous of situations where statistically they are more at risk, is utterly ridiculous. And the more our society gives this stance a platform, it puts my life and other trans people lives at risk. It's no different than the old racist troupe of black men being dangerous to white women.

 

[ulukinatme]

I don't think we're going to see eye to eye on this topic. As a parent I'm protective when it comes to kids, but especially my own. I wouldn't allow them unsupervised around a priest despite being Catholic...I'm not even 100% sure I would allow them around my uncle who is a Bishop in Illinois, and I've known him all my life. I would certainly question if a teacher was seeing my kid after school regularly. If a heterosexual teacher started talking about her very private life I would absolutely begin questioning why they're sharing that with my kid. I'm not making fun of anything, I'm deadly serious when it comes to protecting kids. I don't believe either of you is a parent, you don't have that frame of reference or can understand that point of view. I'm going to question when just about any grown adult is reading/spending time with kids they don't know unless that's their job as a librarian or teacher. When you're a parent that sort of thing is questionable behavior. It's stranger danger.

As far as autism goes, you have no idea what a parent endures. My skin is pretty thick at this point. I've heard the whispers and I've seen the comments that they would better off be dead. I've seen on the news parents that have abandoned their own autistic children, and while I could and would never do the same there's a part of me that understands what they've likely been through that drove them to do it, when most people have perfectly neurotypical children and can't understand what would drive a parent to do such a thing. I get the stares in stores when he has a meltdown, the people that come up to you and think you just have an unruly kid and they call you a piece of shit parent to your face. Just going out is rarely simple, it often involves specific routines and bringing extras like diapers, stimming materials, drinks, and sometimes portable fans because he doesn't handle heat well. Haircuts can be a nightmare, we were lucky enough to find a friend that started doing his hair in her own home. Everywhere we go we have to essentially lock down all exit doors in case he would try to escape, and we have to be especially careful if we're near any water. There's certainly a list that goes on...and there's more but it doesn't all apply to me, and people will have their opinions. The popular put down for awhile has been to call someone autistic if you don't agree with them. I don't take it personally, I may think it's ignorant and silly to be comparing some dickhead to my son. That's not really what is happening though, is it? I'm specifically addressing adults that would groom children, I'll never be okay with that. I'll leave it at that.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I don't think we're going to see eye to eye on this topic. As a parent I'm protective when it comes to kids, but especially my own. I wouldn't allow them unsupervised around a priest despite being Catholic...I'm not even 100% sure I would allow them around my uncle who is a Bishop in Illinois, and I've known him all my life. I would certainly question if a teacher was seeing my kid after school regularly. If a heterosexual teacher started talking about her very private life I would absolutely begin questioning why they're sharing that with my kid. I'm not making fun of anything, I'm deadly serious when it comes to protecting kids. I don't believe either of you is a parent, you don't have that frame of reference or can understand that point of view. I'm going to question when just about any grown adult is reading/spending time with kids they don't know unless that's their job as a librarian or teacher. When you're a parent that sort of thing is questionable behavior. It's stranger danger.

As far as autism goes, you have no idea what a parent endures. My skin is pretty thick at this point. I've heard the whispers and I've seen the comments that they would better off be dead. I've seen on the news parents that have abandoned their own autistic children, and while I could and would never do the same there's a part of me that understands what they've likely been through that drove them to do it. I get the stares in stores when he has a meltdown, the people that come up to you and think you just have an unruly kid and they call you a piece of shit parent to your face. Just going out is rarely simple, it often involves specific routines and bringing extras like diapers, stimming materials, drinks, and sometimes portable fans because he doesn't handle heat well. Haircuts can be a nightmare, we were lucky enough to find a friend that started doing his hair in her own home. Everywhere we go we have to essentially lock down all exit doors in case he would try to escape, and we have to be especially careful if we're near any water. There's certainly a list that goes on...and there's more but it doesn't all apply to me, and people will have their opinions. The popular put down for awhile has been to call someone autistic if you don't agree with them. I don't take it personally, I may think it's ignorant and silly to be comparing some dickhead to my son. That's not really what is happening though, is it? I'm addressing adults that would groom children, I'll never be okay with that. I'll leave it at that.

None of us are ok with adults grooming kids. We agree on that. But you're perpetuating this idea that all gay or trans people are groomers and that's not ok

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Just like we shouldn't judge all priests, all teachers, all police, black people etc by the bad actors we shouldn't do that towards gay and trans people. And it's hard for me to say I believe you or others on here share that belief based on the memes and rhetoric some of you post.

 

[ulukinatme]

None of us are ok with adults grooming kids. We agree on that. But you're perpetuating this idea that all gay or trans people are groomers and that's not ok

I'm not perpetuating or saying all gay or trans people are groomers, I've not said that anywhere. The meme came from the Gays Against Groomers account, the account holder is in fact gay themselves. It wouldn't make much sense for them to be attacking all gays or trans people when they also identify as one, would it not? That's the point here, we're specifically talking about scumbags that would target kids. I'm going to head to bed now, but I feel like I've said all I'll say on this.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I'm not perpetuating or saying all gay or trans people are groomers, I've not said that anywhere. The meme came from the Gays Against Groomers account, the account holder is in fact gay themselves. It wouldn't make much sense for them to be attacking all gays or trans people when they also identify as one, would it not? That's the point here, we're specifically talking about scumbags that would target kids. I'm going to head to bed now, but I feel like I've said all I'll say on this.

The owner of that account is a far right qanon anti trans lesbian. She very much has an agenda and she's not only targeting scumbags. She's specifically targeting trans people because she thinks all of us are the worst of the worst. But good night dude

 

[TorontoGold]

The owner of that account is a far right qanon anti trans lesbian. She very much has an agenda and she's not only targeting scumbags. She's specifically targeting trans people because she thinks all of us are the worst of the worst. But good night dude

No! You're clearly missing the point. What? I just posted a funny meme from Southern American's against worthless Mexicans! No no no, I'm simply pointing out the intricacies that are presented by the current socioeconomic situation that is presented by immigrants obtaining legal work!

It's like people just have no self awareness whatsoever lmao

 

[ColoradoIrish]

No! You're clearly missing the point. What? I just posted a funny meme from Southern American's against worthless Mexicans! No no no, I'm simply pointing out the intricacies that are presented by the current socioeconomic situation that is presented by immigrants obtaining legal work!

It's like people just have no self awareness whatsoever lmao

They say autism is hereditary and that autistic people struggle with self awareness and reading the room, so I guess it all tracks