Alcorn State Football

[NYMIKE6]

So i had a chance to watch College football live today, and they had an interesting topic. The topic was how Alcorn State hired a white football coach and how some of their boosters were quite upset.

Now in the last 10 years or so we've seen college and the NFL football organizations go pro-active to give Black football coaches more then a fair chance to get hired.

My point is, If a black coach isn't hired people are so easy to say it's Racism but when a white coach is hired at a black school and people get upset it's call "Preserving their culture". How is that not an issue? How is it ok to do one thing then cry another? Politically Correct Speech is making America soft and making the ability to talk out both sides of your mouth more accepted.

I've been around the game Coaching and playing for over 20 years. This is all ridiculous and upsets me quite a bit. The reason i loved the game so much is because i always thought race was less an issue with the game of football. It's all about being united as a team, as brothers.

By no means am i trying to start a discussion of race, but i'd really like to hear how everyone feels because there are so many college football fans here.

Sincerely Mike
(Thanks fellas)

 

[NDPhilly]

Agree with you 100%. There is a double standard.

 

[NYMIKE6]

Agree with you 100%. There is a double standard.

Thanks Philly... Had to get someone else's opinion...

For a minute there i thought i was becoming an old racist New York Jew....lol

Mother: Italian
Father: Jewish

I am entitled to make fun of myself!

 

[Buster Bluth]

It's sorta disgusting isn't it?

 

[NYMIKE6]

It's sorta disgusting isn't it?

Completely disgusting

 

[irishog77]

Thanks Philly... Had to get someone else's opinion...

For a minute there i thought i was becoming an old racist New York Jew....lol

Mothers: Italian
Fathers: Jewish

I am entitled to make fun of myself!

Dang, dude, how many parents do you have?

 

[NYMIKE6]

Dang, dude, how many parents do you have?

2 of each, why don't you?

Being from the big "T" i'm sure it's more common that your mom is your sister and all... Thats why you don't understand...lol

 

[Bluto]

Not as disgusting as the very real achievement gap and disparity in incarceration rates that exists between African American Males and their white counterparts but that's another story.

Anyhow, I saw the piece you're talking about. The alumni who were upset about a white coach lived through getting shot at, beaten, sprayed with hoses, relatives being killed and what not, that being the case I can understand why they were being a big defensive and reactionary. Im not saying there response was right but I can understand why the might harbor some hate for "whitey".

You're response seems to go beyond theres in its knee jerk nature in my opinion since I'm assuming you never faced the level of violence, hate and intolerance based simply on your skin color that those African Americans did. Instead of trying to understand why they would harbor such resentment you simply dismiss it off hand.

Anyhow, they are 1-3 so dude better get it together.

 

[irishog77]

I feel slighted-- only 1 mother...but it was cool going to school together like we did growing up.

 

[NYMIKE6]

Not as disgusting as the very real achievement gap and disparity in incarceration rates that exists between African American Males and their white counterparts but that's another story.

Anyhow, I saw the piece you're talking about. The alumni who were upset about a white coach lived through getting shot at, beaten, sprayed with hoses, relatives being killed and what not, that being the case I can understand why they were being a big defensive and reactionary. Im not saying there response was right but I can understand why the might harbor some hate for "whitey".

You're response seems to go beyond theres in its knee jerk nature in my opinion since I'm assuming you never faced the level of violence, hate and intolerance based simply on your skin color that those African Americans did.

Anyhow, they are 1-3 so dude better get it together.

This crap will not stop until people let go and move on.
Mind you read above post while i did not directly live through this millions of "My" people were killed by Nazi's... Do i walk around having a problem with German people? No... Fact is in todays REAL WORLD... You judge a man by who he is not what happened 100 yrs ago. Small minded people live in the past, they cannot foresee the future.

1-3 Wonder if it's a sign?

 

[NYMIKE6]

I feel slighted-- only 1 mother...but it was cool going to school together like we did growing up.

LMFAO...

 

[IrishLax]

Not as disgusting as the very real achievement gap and disparity in incarceration rates that exists between African American Males and their white counterparts but that's another story.

Anyhow, I saw the piece you're talking about. The alumni who were upset about a white coach lived through getting shot at, beaten, sprayed with hoses, relatives being killed and what not, that being the case I can understand why they were being a big defensive and reactionary. Im not saying there response was right but I can understand why the might harbor some hate for "whitey".

You're response seems to go beyond theres in its knee jerk nature in my opinion since I'm assuming you never faced the level of violence, hate and intolerance based simply on your skin color that those African Americans did. Instead of trying to understand why they would harbor such resentment you simply dismiss it off hand.

Anyhow, they are 1-3 so dude better get it together.

So, to boil down what you're saying, racism is OK if there is justification or a rationale behind it.

For instance, when my Dad was at ND, he got robbed and shot by a black man. Therefor, based on his personal experience of getting shot, it would be OK for him to "harbor resentment" and "hate" black people.

Yeah............ not so much. If you make some basic substitutions between "white" and "black" in your paragraphs, you'd realize what you're advocating is racism and stereotyping in its simplest form. That's not OK. Period.

 

[Rack Em]

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[Bluto]

So, to boil down what you're saying, racism is OK if there is justification or a rationale behind it.

For instance, when my Dad was at ND, he got robbed and shot by a black man. Therefor, based on his personal experience of getting shot, it would be OK for him to "harbor resentment" and "hate" black people.

Yeah............ not so much. If you make some basic substitutions between "white" and "black" in your paragraphs, you'd realize what you're advocating is racism and stereotyping in its simplest form. That's not OK. Period.

Not really. To boil it down I can understand why a group of African Americans who came of age in the 40's and 50's would harbor some strong feelings of resentment based on their experiences. Particularly when well heeled white people keep telling them to "just get over it". I doubt any person on this board would say the same thing to a halocaust survivor.

I'm sorry to hear about your dad. That sucks. However, did your dad then have a group of black men show up at his door beat him, burn his house to the ground then brag about it openly with no threat of punishment? Did blacks systematically terrorize your family on a daily basis? I didn't think so. If that was indeed the case I would understand if you had a distrust of African Americans. Anyhow, comparing your dads experience to that of African Americans in the South is pretty far fetched and demonstrates a basic lack of understanding of how insanely violent and abusive whites were towards blacks in this country.

I've had guns pointed at me by cops and gang bangers. Neither was acting to mantain a racists status quo. Well maybe the cops. Lol.

 

[IrishLax]

Not really. To boil it down I can understand why a group of African Americans would harbor some strong feelings of resentment based on their experiences. Particularly when well heeled white people keep telling them to "just get over it".

Did you dad then have a group of black men show up at his door beat him, burn his house to the ground then brag about it openly with no threat of punishment? Did blacks systematically terrorize your family on a daily basis? I didn't think so. Comparing your dads experience to that of African Americans in the South is pretty far fetched and demonstrates a basic lack of understanding how insanely violent and abusive whites were towards blacks.

I've had guns pointed at me as well by cops and gang bangers. Neither was acting to mantain a racists status quo.

No, not really. That's not even relevant to what I'm getting at. I'm trying to discuss your statements here. Shelve anything to do with the article, school, etc. for a second.

Your point is that certain scenarios make it OK to be racist, "harbor resentment", "hate", or otherwise not tolerate a specific individual who did none of those things. Those are your words. You're saying it's OK for these black people to hate white people (and specifically in this instance not tolerate this coach) because of the previous actions of other white people not remotely associated or related to the current person of the same skin color.

That is textbook racism. And that is not OK.

 

[Bluto]

No, not really. That's not even relevant to what I'm getting at. I'm trying to discuss your statements here. Shelve anything to do with the article, school, etc. for a second.

Your point is that certain scenarios make it OK to be racist, "harbor resentment", "hate", or otherwise not tolerate a specific individual who did none of those things. Those are your words. You're saying it's OK for these black people to hate white people (and specifically in this instance not tolerate this coach) because of the previous actions of other white people not remotely associated or related to the current person of the same skin color.

That is textbook racism. And that is not OK.

Having feelings of resentment or hatred is fine by me. That's the only point I made. Acting on those feelings is completely different. As far as I can tell the coach was still hired.

My other point is that if you all want to be a bunch of caped crusaders against racism you could do a lot better then harping on a bunch of old African Americans who might harbor some bitter feelings based on the very real acts of violence they experienced and bore witness to.

 

[polishjuice4]

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SNL version was better.

 

[IrishLax]

Having feelings of resentment or hatred is fine by me. That's the only point I made. Acting on those feelings is completely different. As far as I can tell the coach was still hired.

OK.

My other point is that if you all want to be a bunch of caped crusaders against racism you could do a lot better then harping on a bunch of old African Americans who might harbor some bitter feelings based on the very real acts of violence they experienced and bore witness to.

OK.

Both pretty fair points, albeit the second more than the first. With regards to the first, I'm curious where you draw the line.

So we'd both probably agree that you wouldn't say it's OK for, say, a Muslim to refuse to serve a Jew in his restaurant because he dislikes them. But would you say it's OK for a Muslim parent to not let their children play with the Jewish neighbors?

 

[Bluto]

OK.



OK.

Both pretty fair points, albeit the second more than the first. With regards to the first, I'm curious where you draw the line.

So we'd both probably agree that you wouldn't say it's OK for, say, a Muslim to refuse to serve a Jew in his restaurant because he dislikes them. But would you say it's OK for a Muslim parent to not let their children play with the Jewish neighbors?

Yeah, actual acts of discrimination is where I draw the line.

I don't think not letting the kids play together is right, but if that's how the parents want to live their lives and raise their kids that's their prerogative. Like my wife always says "I can't control how I feel" or something like that.

So how bout that bye week?

 

[IrishLax]

Yeah, actual acts of discrimination is where I draw the line.

I don't think not letting the kids play together is right, but if that's how the parents want to live their lives and raise their kids that's their prerogative. Like my wife always says "I can't control how I feel" or something like that.

So how bout that bye week?

Haha how about that bye week indeed...

Thank you for the thoughtful discussion.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

It's sorta disgusting isn't it?

What is the Italian mother and Jewish father? That's a little harsh don't you think, I'm sure they love each other. J/K. Agreed, the coaching thing doesn't sit right. Always should be able to hire the best candidate after a fair, thorough search.

 

[NYMIKE6]

Having feelings of resentment or hatred is fine by me. That's the only point I made. Acting on those feelings is completely different. As far as I can tell the coach was still hired.

My other point is that if you all want to be a bunch of caped crusaders against racism you could do a lot better then harping on a bunch of old African Americans who might harbor some bitter feelings based on the very real acts of violence they experienced and bore witness to.

My favorite part, when you can't beat them, try to insult them....LOL

 

[NYMIKE6]

What is the Italian mother and Jewish father?

Hey, hey.... Whats your point? Yeah my father was cheap and my mother beat the crap out of him for it!

 

[Bluto]

Haha how about that bye week indeed...

Thank you for the thoughtful discussion.

Thank you too. See we can all get along. Haha.

 

[Bluto]

My favorite part, when you can't beat them, try to insult them....LOL

Come on. With the Avatars in the discussion it does present a pretty funny visual.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

It's weird not because it's racist but because a fanbase it putting their racism above winning.

 

[NYMIKE6]

Come on. With the Avatars in the discussion it does present a pretty funny visual.

The fact that you took the avatars into consideration makes you just about as disturbing as myself... I like it... I like it...

 

[NYMIKE6]

It's weird not because it's racist but because a fanbase it putting their racism above winning.

Agreed completely blows my mind... You have to find the story on Youtube... When they won the look of his players faces said it all. I'd like to believe when you're involved in football race becomes irrelevant....

Makes me think back to all the kids i've coached. Yeah first impression might have been "who's this white guy trying to teach us football" but 2 or 3 weeks into camp and they were like my own kids... They would call when they had problems, Heck their parents would call when they had problems with my players at home. It becomes a family. Thats why this story really got to me. The people that had an issue were only thinking of themselves not the student athletes.