onenybrother
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A REAL COMMISH FINALLY?
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Vick's crime was heinous in my opinion (my wife and I belong to a dog rescue group) but our court system says you do your time and you meet the terms of your parole and you're a free man. One of the terms of parole is getting a job. Based on Goodell's attitude why should some diner owner take a chance on Vick as a dishwasher or a grocery store hire him as a bagger?
If a physician is convicted of tax evasion, he pays his fine, does his time (if any) and practices medicine. A CPA with a DUI manslaughter conviction can still prepare taxes. The crime wasn't within the activities of their profession under Alex Karras, Paul Hornung, et al. Bill Clinton was disbarred and kept his job.
If the terms of Vick's parole require him to stay in-state obviously a pro career would have to wait until that stipulation expires. If his P.O. and the courts are O.K. with it what right does Goodell have to prevent a man from making a living at his profession?
Isn't that the Prosecuter's and/or Judge's areas of responsibility?
Do NFL players now hhave to waive their 5th and 14th Amendments Rights under Czar Goodell?
According to our current administration terrorist from foreign countries have constitiutional rights.
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Damn hell of a argument?
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I like what Goodell did with Pacman but I'm with BGIF. Vick has done his time. Let the guy go back to work.
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The NFL absolutely has the right to prevent him from working. The CPA and the doctor still might have the ability to work, but the public can pick and choose whether or not they want to do business with someone who has been convicted of a crime. Goodell is looking out for the league as a whole because a negative public view can adversely affect the whole league.
If that same CPA you used as an example works for a large firm like HR Block, his job is most certainly in jeopardy due to a DUI conviction. If the doctor practices at Kaiser Permanente, I wouldn't be surprised to find that a felony conviction would also prove costly.
The NFL is working in the same capacity. Additionally, Goodell is well aware of the statistics of recidivism and I am sure he wants to make sure old habits do in fact die, so as not to have another incident.
Yes, he served his time, but anyone who has applied for a job knows, that question is asked on every application you will ever fill out. "Have you ever been convicted of a felony?" And that is a question that can (and should) stick with someone where ever they go. It has nothing to do with violation of rights - it is purely business.
Goodell doesn't want to see Animal Rights protests outside of every stadium Vick plays in or widespread boycott of the team he is playing for. It will happen. PETA, the ASPCA, and the Humane Society of America are all very powerful lobby groups and they can create a lot of problems for the NFL. This issue was a very hot blooded and polarized topic and Goodell is well aware it won't go away quietly.
The NFL absolutely has the right to prevent him from working. The CPA and the doctor still might have the ability to work, but the public can pick and choose whether or not they want to do business with someone who has been convicted of a crime. Goodell is looking out for the league as a whole because a negative public view can adversely affect the whole league.
If that same CPA you used as an example works for a large firm like HR Block, his job is most certainly in jeopardy due to a DUI conviction. If the doctor practices at Kaiser Permanente, I wouldn't be surprised to find that a felony conviction would also prove costly.
The NFL is working in the same capacity. Additionally, Goodell is well aware of the statistics of recidivism and I am sure he wants to make sure old habits do in fact die, so as not to have another incident.
Yes, he served his time, but anyone who has applied for a job knows, that question is asked on every application you will ever fill out. "Have you ever been convicted of a felony?" And that is a question that can (and should) stick with someone where ever they go. It has nothing to do with violation of rights - it is purely business.
Goodell doesn't want to see Animal Rights protests outside of every stadium Vick plays in or widespread boycott of the team he is playing for. It will happen. PETA, the ASPCA, and the Humane Society of America are all very powerful lobby groups and they can create a lot of problems for the NFL. This issue was a very hot blooded and polarized topic and Goodell is well aware it won't go away quietly.
A great stance by the commish! It's about time that athletes are held accountable more than the required court decisions. We all would. I would lose my job if convicted of such a crime, and I don't have small fans buying my jersey and looking up to me either. I applaud a tough stance to regain control over an epidemic which has swept through professional sports, leaving ruin in its wake. Bravo.. 
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A great stance by the commish! It's about time that athletes are held accountable more than the required court decisions. We all would. I would lose my job if convicted of such a crime, and I don't have small fans buying my jersey and looking up to me either. I applaud a tough stance to regain control over an epidemic which has swept through professional sports, leaving ruin in its wake. Bravo..
I ussually agree with this in most cases. Except that Vick went to Prison for years. He didn't get a slap on the wrist, he did actual time. Let the guy play
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Vick did his time, and his debt to society, I believe, he has re-paid. HOWEVER, he bold-face lied to Goodell about his involvement in the dog-thing and that, I believe, is where Goodell has him.
What happens if you go into your boss' office, and bold-face lie to your boss?? ....you'd be looking for a new job.
If he gets re-instated(which by all accounts he should, prolly not till 2010 tho) he should consider himself extremely lucky....again
I think what's being lost on this topic is the fact that he will probably be allowed to play again. He just has to earn the right to represent the NFL again. No more of this you did your time thing and that's all we'll require from you. All in all, a good way to teach IMO. Let them earn back the trust. ☺