'27 LA OL Albert Simien (Offer)

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IrishInOntario said:
Not even in the same realm. Von Brandt has an elite frame, but is nowhere close as high end of a prospect as Simien. Albert is one of those 6'4 guys that is plenty long and athletic enough to easily play tackle, but probably winds up being a stud career guard in the NFL.
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greyhammer90 said:
Godfather offer time
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If you were constructing a roster, do you think that offer is necessary? Given the current OL class, the prior OL class, how many hits we've heard about. I want them to make a competitive offer but I'm awful at evaluating OL and I know we've recruited the last 3 classes at a very high level. Should a godfather offer be saved for a different positon?

Honest question, no snark. I vacillate on this.
 
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Veritate Duce Progredi said:
If you were constructing a roster, do you think that offer is necessary? Given the current OL class, the prior OL class, how many hits we've heard about. I want them to make a competitive offer but I'm awful at evaluating OL and I know we've recruited the last 3 classes at a very high level. Should a godfather offer be saved for a different positon?

Honest question, no snark. I vacillate on this.
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I think godfather offer is a strong choice of words. He is an elite, elite prospect. There is no salary cap. If enough donors are willing to help pay up, you have to consider it if it doesn't effect the whole class and current locker room.
 
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Veritate Duce Progredi said:
If you were constructing a roster, do you think that offer is necessary? Given the current OL class, the prior OL class, how many hits we've heard about. I want them to make a competitive offer but I'm awful at evaluating OL and I know we've recruited the last 3 classes at a very high level. Should a godfather offer be saved for a different positon?

Honest question, no snark. I vacillate on this.
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No snark from me either, I have no idea. My thought is that there are certain kids that if unexpectedly have the ability to take over the finish line, you maybe make a round of follow-up calls to large donors who are already contributing and see if they have a desire to give a bit more and be known as the badass dude/lady who got us Albert Simien.
 
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allenm5333 said:
I think godfather offer is a strong choice of words. He is an elite, elite prospect. There is no salary cap. If enough donors are willing to help pay up, you have to consider it if it doesn't effect the whole class and current locker room.
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No snark from me either, I have no idea. My thought is that there are certain kids that if unexpectedly have the ability to take over the finish line, you maybe make a round of follow-up calls to large donors who are already contributing and see if they have a desire to give a bit more and be known as the badass dude/lady who got us Albert Simien.
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Fair enough. Mine is more of an intellectual exercise for how we should allocate what is a limited amount of funds from donors. Even if it's a lot and you can maybe ask for more, you must balance roster needs, evaluate the perceived value of a recruit vs. current roster, trends in championship-level programs over last decade (aka - ranking positions by value), etc.

You both answered: ask for more money and make bigger-er. If this is sustainable for ND, then I'm all for it. I'm just used to living in a world with limits and enjoy the thought-process of how to construct a class/roster.
 
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Veritate Duce Progredi said:
Fair enough. Mine is more of an intellectual exercise for how we should allocate what is a limited amount of funds from donors. Even if it's a lot and you can maybe ask for more, you must balance roster needs, evaluate the perceived value of a recruit vs. current roster, trends in championship-level programs over last decade (aka - ranking positions by value), etc.

You both answered: ask for more money and make bigger-er. If this is sustainable for ND, then I'm all for it. I'm just used to living in a world with limits and enjoy the thought-process of how to construct a class/roster.
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Positional value is something that one can question. I do think that when you want to be a line driven program, like MF says, that's where the money has to go.
 
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NDPhilly said:
Would be up there with the most improbable pulls in modern ND football history if they close.
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Idk Philly, everything I've read about him seems probable for ND except for geography. Seems like a bright academically oriented kid/family open to leaving the state. That's the differentiator with LA recruits imo. 90% aren't willing to leave and are essentially not worth the effort. But there's seems to be 1 every other cycle that profilesto ND.

Side note- I wonder if Kiffin has the balls to negatively recruit ND on this one. Seems like a hard sell given their AD's son, Jaiden is a key player on our defense.
 
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Idk Philly, everything I've read about him seems probable for ND except for geography. Seems like a bright academically oriented kid/family open to leaving the state. That's the differentiator with LA recruits imo. 90% aren't willing to leave and are essentially not worth the effort. But there's seems to be 1 every other cycle that profilesto ND.

Side note- I wonder if Kiffin has the balls to negatively recruit ND on this one. Seems like a hard sell given their AD's son, Jaiden is a key player on our defense.
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I would think Kiffin would much rather this guy end up at ND than end up at A&M.
 
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TAMU is the competition, but how much can they have left after paying, I assume, out the nose for Matthews and the rest (they have four OL commits in the top 100)? I guess they might pitch, "Come here and be a part of a legendary class", but even Texas oil money has its limits.
 
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Ian77 said:
TAMU is the competition, but how much can they have left after paying, I assume, out the nose for Matthews and the rest (they have four OL commits in the top 100)? I guess they might pitch, "Come here and be a part of a legendary class", but even Texas oil money has its limits.
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I'm not sure TX oil money has limits at the moment. It's basically just falling out of the sky right now.
 
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IAIrish said:
Idk Philly, everything I've read about him seems probable for ND except for geography. Seems like a bright academically oriented kid/family open to leaving the state. That's the differentiator with LA recruits imo. 90% aren't willing to leave and are essentially not worth the effort. But there's seems to be 1 every other cycle that profilesto ND.

Side note- I wonder if Kiffin has the balls to negatively recruit ND on this one. Seems like a hard sell given their AD's son, Jaiden is a key player on our defense.
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Ian77 said:
TAMU is the competition, but how much can they have left after paying, I assume, out the nose for Matthews and the rest (they have four OL commits in the top 100)? I guess they might pitch, "Come here and be a part of a legendary class", but even Texas oil money has its limits.
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It has limits but even 100mil for a recruiting class wouldnt begin to scratch the surface
 
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