'25 NV WR Derek Meadows (Alabama Verbal)

[Blazers46]

He hasn't visited LSU at all since committing, and according to their 247 site, they'd be surprised if he ends up there. Miami is trying to make a move. He's likely visiting ND for the FSU game but nothing official. Michigan is trying to stay involved too.

Unsure what Wiltfong said, but based on the continued discussion about him on ND boards, I'd assume that is the case. He needs a lot of development and I really only want him to flip a 5 star from the SEC and BK more than anything, personally.

So confusing why he committed to LSU. I want to assume there was a bag to commit but who knows.

 

[Irish5Saint]

So confusing why he committed to LSU. I want to assume there was a bag to commit but who knows.

From what Driskell seemed to insinuate, I think Meadows’ dad and Gorman coaches wanted him in the SEC.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Suppose ND winds up flipping Mizell and or Meadows. Does this come off as a successful WR haul for ND/Brown?

In my opinion, it would only be successful if they get Meadows and if Richardson is able to reach his potential.

 

[lcaps20]

Suppose ND winds up flipping Mizell and or Meadows. Does this come off as a successful WR haul for ND/Brown?

I think just one or the other and it's business as usual. If they find a way to get and take both then I think it continues the upward trajectory of the past two classes.

 

[T-Boone]

take him I suppose but hard to see him playing much any time soon.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

I’d rather have him than not. If he reaches his potential, great for us. If not, he transfers out.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

I’d rather have him than not. If he reaches his potential, great for us. If not, he transfers out.

You’re exactly right. He’s a 6’6” receiver with elite athleticism. These are the type of guys who have the potential to be true difference makers.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

In my opinion, it would only be successful if they get Meadows and if Richardson is able to reach his potential.

I don't think this factors into the short term equation I had in mind. I am speaking strictly from the point of view of come February, how does the class look on paper as a group of high school players.

Long term, I get your point, but I was referring to the recruiting class as it is. Richardson is what he is, so if they added Meadows and Mizell to Burress, Bettis and Richardson what kind of brevity comes from IE about Coach Brown?

 

[GrangerIrish24]

You’re exactly right. He’s a 6’6” receiver with elite athleticism. These are the type of guys who have the potential to be true difference makers.

You have to keep taking chances on guys like him.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

I don't think this factors into the short term equation I had in mind. I am speaking strictly from the point of view of come February, how does the class look on paper as a group of high school players.

Long term, I get your point, but I was referring to the recruiting class as it is. Richardson is what he is, so if they added Meadows and Mizell to Burress, Bettis and Richardson what kind of brevity comes from IE about Coach Brown?

In that case, the class on paper still isn’t as good as it would have been prior to the July WR implosion.

 

[SDIrishFan]

You’re exactly right. He’s a 6’6” receiver with elite athleticism. These are the type of guys who have the potential to be true difference makers.

The question is, why does a 6'6" WR with elite athleticism struggle to put up numbers in high school. I know its BG, but if he's got any potential that's near his fuss, putting up high school numbers against high school competition shouldn't be hard. Yet...

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

In that case, the class on paper still isn’t as good as it would have been prior to the July WR implosion.

So that's a no.

If it should end up with those five somehow, considering where it began and all of the angst that came from this board about the situation....I say at worst it is one hell of a recovery and close.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

You have to keep taking chances on guys like him.

Exactly. Despite his stats, the staff has seen him in person and should know exactly what he’s capable of.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

I don't think this factors into the short term equation I had in mind. I am speaking strictly from the point of view of come February, how does the class look on paper as a group of high school players.

Long term, I get your point, but I was referring to the recruiting class as it is. Richardson is what he is, so if they added Meadows and Mizell to Burress, Bettis and Richardson what kind of brevity comes from IE about Coach Brown?

I would be satisfied with that class for Mike Brown’s inaugural effort at ND. Mike Mickens‘ initial class or two didn’t look too impressive but he turned out to be pretty decent after some seasoning.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

So that's a no.

If it should end up with those five somehow, considering where it began and all of the angst that came from this board about the situation....I say at worst it is one hell of a recovery and close.

Well, we don’t really know if Meadows and Richardson can play WR, and we think we know Bettis can’t. Burress looks alot better than he did at the time, though. Mizell isn’t being recruited by any of the “top” schools and I can’t even think of the 5th name. So I still think the WR class, on paper, isn’t anywhere near as good as the class with Hines, Robinson, and Meadows.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

The question is, why does a 6'6" WR with elite athleticism struggle to put up numbers in high school. I know its BG, but if he's got any potential that's near his fuss, putting up high school numbers against high school competition shouldn't be hard. Yet...

You make total sense. The staff, though, has seen him in person at camp and think he’s a stud. We’ll find out if the staff is right or not; I just hope he’s on our team when we get the answer.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Well, we don’t really know if Meadows and Richardson can play WR, and we think we know Bettis can’t. Burress looks alot better than he did at the time, though. Mizell isn’t being recruited by any of the “top” schools and I can’t even think of the 5th name. So I still think the WR class, on paper, isn’t anywhere near as good as the class with Hines, Robinson, and Meadows.

You're comping the class against guys they offered but never really had, so yeah, that's not going to be considered a success.

I'm going with @Rockin’Irish that if they sign those 4-5 guys, it's a positive start for Brown all things considered. Then we see how everyone pans out.

 

[stpeteirish]

The question is, why does a 6'6" WR with elite athleticism struggle to put up numbers in high school. I know its BG, but if he's got any potential that's near his fuss, putting up high school numbers against high school competition shouldn't be hard. Yet...

No idea if he reaches his potential but rating a guy with so little production is just another example of how imperfect the rating system is.

Big school bias is real. Certain high school’s players are going to get rated higher than should more often than not.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

No idea if he reaches his potential but rating a guy with so little production is just another example of how imperfect the rating system is.

Big school bias is real. Certain high school’s players are going to get rated higher than should more often than not.

You might be right but, I think in this case, Meadows is ranked as much for his elite height/speed combo than where he goes to high school. In fact, I think that if he had better stats then he’d be ranked a 5 star across the board.

 

[Rocketman84]

Can anyone provide an update on what's happening here? It sounds like ND has never stopped recruiting Meadows and they're trying to get him to the FSU game? Even if they were to add a 4th WR (Mizell or whomever) Meadows would be a take based on something Wiltfong said on On3?

Hearing he is setting up a visit for FSU and as the #1 option at WR he's always a take.

 

[Rocketman84]

No idea if he reaches his potential but rating a guy with so little production is just another example of how imperfect the rating system is.

Big school bias is real. Certain high school’s players are going to get rated higher than should more often than not.

BG is a run first team (26 attempts/pg) and the starting QB I believe went down after the second game and they've thrown around 140 passes all year.

 

[allenm5333]

BG is a run first team (26 attempts/pg) and the starting QB I believe went down after the second game and they've thrown around 140 passes all year.

Get him and figure it out. Cant hurt getting a BG kid for the first time in forever

 

[SDIrishFan]

Get him and figure it out. Cant hurt getting a BG kid for the first time in forever

But we had Nicco!

 

[IAIrish]

I don't think this factors into the short term equation I had in mind. I am speaking strictly from the point of view of come February, how does the class look on paper as a group of high school players.

Long term, I get your point, but I was referring to the recruiting class as it is. Richardson is what he is, so if they added Meadows and Mizell to Burress, Bettis and Richardson what kind of brevity comes from IE about Coach Brown?

The 4 you mentioned seem on par with the initial Brown target list of Meadows, Robinson, Hines and Burress honestly, imo. Of the current 4 commits/targets, all 4 have some explosive traits that seems like the common denominator of an nfl caliber player. I like that Brown is targeting this in guys, rather than filling up on possession receivers.

Unless you're landing one of the top 5 wrs in a given class like osu, recruit the dudes who have those traits and bank on your development plan for them. My one caveat is that all things equal, production wins. Cooper had that. Burress and Mizell do as well.

Not including Bettis in the discussion since most see him as more of a legitimate project on defense.

 

[IrishSpartan]

I strongly dislike him as a prospect. He seems like that typical top level recruit that ND will get that is a total bust

 

[irishjim]

You make total sense. The staff, though, has seen him in person at camp and think he’s a stud. We’ll find out if the staff is right or not; I just hope he’s on our team when we get the answer.

Easy to look good in a camp with no pads on. His junior year highlights do not look special. With the expanded scholarships coming, I would take him too but I hope no one is spending big NIL money on him

 

[NDMD]

I strongly dislike him as a prospect. He seems like that typical top level recruit that ND will get that is a total bust

With the portal and rising scholarships there is no reason not to go after someone with his upside. If he's a bust, who cares, it's not taking a scholarship from anyone else. And Ryan Williams/Jeremiah Smith are not walking into the Gug anytime soon.

 

[Rocketman84]

I strongly dislike him as a prospect. He seems like that typical top level recruit that ND will get that is a total bust

With the right QB he will be a stud downfield threat...BG doesnt throw the ball but 16 times a game so nobody puts up huge numbers receiving.

 

[Rocketman84]

I strongly dislike him as a prospect. He seems like that typical top level recruit that ND will get that is a total bust

So which WR commit(s) do you like as a prospect? Which potential targets do you like?

 

[Irish4life]

I strongly dislike him as a prospect. He seems like that typical top level recruit that ND will get that is a total bust

3 months ago missing on Derek Meadows was a program changing loss and we were calling for Brown's head. Now that it looks like we might have a chance to flip him it's "well he's not ACTUALLY that good anyways". This fanbase never disappoints.