'23 MA DL Boubacar Traore (Notre Dame Signee)

[FightingIrishLover7]

I'm just naturally pessimistic....I knew the moment it was non contact he was done. Same with botelho. New SC guy has some explaining to do.

Please stop the Lando talk
We're talking about ligaments not hamstrings and hip flexors etc

If you want to talk about turf, go for it. But then I'll remind you what Purdue plays.

Injuries happen in a violent sport

 

[MacIrish75]

Please stop the Lando talk
We're talking about ligaments not hamstrings and hip flexors etc

If you want to talk about turf, go for it. But then I'll remind you what Purdue plays.

Injuries happen in a violent sport

Add to that the nature of OL/DL play and bodies literally all over the ground, getting rolled up on happens frequently. It’s just horrible coincidence that it’s led to this many (potential) ligament injuries for us this year.

 

[irishff1014]

It’s just like baseball, The sport has evolved to 365 training and the body gets zero rest. Our bodies are not built to endure that kind of stress and workload all the time.

I am not 100% saying it’s on the S&C program but you gave to at least look at it with history and secondly turf is just bad in all sports.

 

[MacIrish75]

I would gladly go back to a grass field. If Green Bay and Chicago can do it, there’s no reason you can’t have a sustainable playing surface in South Bend for 7-8 weeks a year from August through December.

 

[ozzman]

I would gladly go back to a grass field. If Green Bay and Chicago can do it, there’s no reason you can’t have a sustainable playing surface in South Bend for 7-8 weeks a year from August through December.

Chicago can't do it. Their turf is worse than ND's ever was.

 

[MacIrish75]

Chicago can't do it. Their turf is worse than ND's ever was.

It’s not because of the grass, it’s because of all the extra shenanigans and events they do on it.

 

[ozzman]

It’s not because of the grass, it’s because of all the extra shenanigans and events they do on it.

Disagree. They haven't always done as many concerts and events as in recent years, and they've always had terrible turf.

A history of Soldier Field's grass and its challenges

All the times Soldier Field has disrupted the Bears operations because of the grass.

www.nbcsportschicago.com

 

[Rizzophil]

Agree to stop the strength and conditioning talk

Sometimes things happen. The amount of non contact injuries in college football and NFL is basically static the last 10 years

 

[Irish#1]

Here's to a complete recovery.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I would gladly go back to a grass field. If Green Bay and Chicago can do it, there’s no reason you can’t have a sustainable playing surface in South Bend for 7-8 weeks a year from August through December.

Do you remember those games on grass? Anytime it rained, the field was torn up to the point it looked like someone did donuts all over it. Field turf being added was a huge improvement. High up front costs but easy to manage from there…especially in inclimate weather which South Bend gets plenty of in the 8 weeks from Aug through Dec

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I'm just naturally pessimistic....I knew the moment it was non contact he was done. Same with botelho. New SC guy has some explaining to do.

how does one train to prevent an ankle sprain or a knee being blown out? I get it if we were talking hamstring pulls like last season but this is just looking for a scapegoat to quell our frustration. It’s a collision sport. Joints weren’t meant to turn the wrong way when someone hits another player or awkwardly falls down. Imagine if message boards & Twitter existed in the 80s/90s, every injury would’ve been blamed on the S&C coach then, too.

 

[MacIrish75]

Do you remember those games on grass? Anytime it rained, the field was torn up to the point it looked like someone did donuts all over it. Field turf being added was a huge improvement. High up front costs but easy to manage from there…especially in inclimate weather which South Bend gets plenty of in the 8 weeks from Aug through Dec

Idk man, if Green Bay can do it, so can Notre Dame. If Purdue, Penn State, Michigan State, and Iowa State can do it, so can Notre Dame.

 

[GowerND11]

Idk man, if Green Bay can do it, so can Notre Dame. If Purdue can do it, so can Notre Dame. If Penn State can do it, so can Notre Dame.

Penn State does have one of, if not the, top turf management departments in the country.

That said... Yeah, ND can absolutely do it if they put the money towards it.

 

[MacIrish75]

Penn State does have one of, if not the, top turf management departments in the country.

That said... Yeah, ND can absolutely do it if they put the money towards it.

Same with MSU and Purdue. But if grass is a safer playing surface for athletes, and your football program is the bellwether of your athletic program, wouldn’t that be a worthy monetary investment?

 

[Chicago Domer]

Penn State does have one of, if not the, top turf management departments in the country.

That said... Yeah, ND can absolutely do it if they put the money towards it.

At $50 for a general admission parking spot and plenty of money to keep overbuilding the campus, they can afford it. When the rugby club has its own field, that’s when it starts to get ridiculous.

 

[Chicago Domer]

I should say Rugby stadium.

 

[DillonHall]

Multiple players in the NFL and college tear ligaments every weekend, regardless of shoe, strength/conditioning regimen, and field type.

The only common denominator is the sport

Some people always want an explanation for something. Like patients who think they got cancer from COVID just because it was diagnosed after they got sick

 

[GowerND11]

Multiple players in the NFL and college tear ligaments every weekend, regardless of shoe, strength/conditioning regimen, and field type.

The only common denominator is the sport

Some people always want an explanation for something. Like patients who think they got cancer from COVID just because it was diagnosed after they got sick

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Study basically states what many assume. More likely to have an ACL tear on artificial turf than grass.

(Note: more TOTAL tears on grass, but one has to assume there are more grass fields being played on)

 

[irish4ever]

That wasn't the only hold NOT called against Louisville's OL.

 

[Bantry19]

Chicago can't do it. Their turf is worse than ND's ever was.

Na, Soldier Field has been good last few years since they switched up the sod.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Didn't fans beg for turf to speed up the offense?

I can't keep up with the moving goal posts. Although, I guess if Freeman wants Tressel ball maybe grass is best

 

[notredomer23]

Didn't fans beg for turf to speed up the offense?

I can't keep up with the moving goal posts. Although, I guess if Freeman wants Tressel ball maybe grass is best

I thought it was more to do with ND's field being destroyed and a mud-filled mess by mid-October than anything else but maybe I am mis-remembering

 

[mrmcgrail]

That wasn't the only hold NOT called against Louisville's OL.

That's against a&m man hahaha

 

[DillonHall]

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Study basically states what many assume. More likely to have an ACL tear on artificial turf than grass.

(Note: more TOTAL tears on grass, but one has to assume there are more grass fields being played on)

Ok I'm convinced

 

[Ricochet]

It's actually very simple as why there are more and more Ligament injuries especially in the knee comes down to the fact that athletes in every generation have gotten bigger and stronger and more or less maximizing the muscles. So as we've got better training and nutrition for those muscles etc. the problem has become that there isn't much you can do for the ligaments and energy has to go somewhere.

The ligaments are the same with bigger, stronger and more efficient muscles amongst today's top athletes combined with better technology in the for turf and cleats are going to cause more tears when things go bad. These thing also allow them to be faster and quicker but if a cleat catches as you're turning and that torgue combined better athletes and technology is going happen at higher rate than someone not maximizing there muscles and wearing the cleats of the past. The obvious downside to that is that they could be faster if there muscles stronger and more efficient and could cut.fast, quicker and just more extreme in general with the better grip you get with modern cleats.

 

[Valpodoc85]

Often soft tissue injuries are a result of overuse/minor injuries. From what I understand the current SandC program evaluates athletes based on performance and tailors work out to their position. Not knowing how that works exactly, it could result in overuse injury if you're trying to improve along a specific metric. Then again it maybe an issue with trainers not recognizing injuries in the early stages

 

[irishff1014]

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Study basically states what many assume. More likely to have an ACL tear on artificial turf than grass.

(Note: more TOTAL tears on grass, but one has to assume there are more grass fields being played on)

Because most public schools can barely afford sports let alone turf.

 

[GowerND11]

Because most public schools can barely afford sports let alone turf.

Well of course that is true yes

 

[rtrn2glory]

I had some post game thoughts & then I started watching Bama DISMANTLE Georgia in the first quarter & I realized it doesn’t matter..

There is ZERO chance we go toe to toe with a team like that.

The gap is still there.

Please stop the Lando talk
We're talking about ligaments not hamstrings and hip flexors etc

If you want to talk about turf, go for it. But then I'll remind you what Purdue plays.

Injuries happen in a violent sport

Both of those were not violent injuries. OL inquiries understood non contact is what is worrisome

 

[IRISHDODGER]

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Study basically states what many assume. More likely to have an ACL tear on artificial turf than grass.

(Note: more TOTAL tears on grass, but one has to assume there are more grass fields being played on)

Bothello shredded his knee at Purdue on natural grass. There’s no panacea where ligament tears can be avoided, IMO. Even if ND went back to natural grass, they can’t control for the fact that their opponents & neutral site games are likely to play on field turf.

Then you have the physiology of each individual athlete. Some based on their flexion or lack thereof are more disposed to injury than others.