'21 LA RB Logan Diggs (Notre Dame --> LSU Transfer)

[FightingIrishLover7]

He's not good enough to play rb at ND anyway, let him go

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[PANDFAN]

He's not good enough to play rb at ND anyway, let him go

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Wow... now that is completely a trash comment...I mean he is only like all State running back in Louisiana.

 

[Dale]

He's not good enough to play rb at ND anyway, let him go

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Will you be watching the Super Bowl? Cause you’ll see LSU pads underneath the RBs jerseys on both sides and I’d say we would be lucky to have a kid LSU wants in general

 

[dad4aa]

It sounds like he hasn't fully made up his mind, but if he ultimately wants out ND isn't likely to force the issue. Been a developing situation for a few weeks. The reason not to do it is "precedent" but like... that's not a huge reason.

All I'll say is what I said around NSD -- the odds of a wishy washy player from the deep south who can't decide if he wants to be here ultimately panning out is very small. So I'm not losing sleep on this either way.

Yep. Rather lose him now than a year or two from now. Especially with the one-time free transfer rule.

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Agree with both of you. While it would be great to get him, not going to be disappointed if we don’t.

 

[NDFAN420]

Agree with both of you. While it would be great to get him, not going to be disappointed if we don’t.

You never know, he might get to ND from Louisiana and love it (as I look outside my window in Chicago at 10 inches of snow)...

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I agree Simone should not get fired for this cycle but a hard look at recruiting wins and losses can only help for the future. We have had a run of “good” backs but none have been elite

I mean based on recruiting rankings I would say Chris Tyree was elite. Kyren played at an elite level in 2020. And both Kyren and Tyree could play at an elite level in 2021.


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[Valpodoc85]

How many rbs has Notre Dame put in the League in the last ten years? How many are starting backs and not just fillers? No knock on Kyren or Tyree, they are good backs but neither would be playing at Alabama. The best teams have outstanding players at skilled positions that put the defense in a bind. We are close but not there.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I agree Simone should not get fired for this cycle but a hard look at recruiting wins and losses can only help for the future. We have had a run of “good” backs but none have been elite

If we're basing "elite" off of collegiate productivity, Kyren Williams says hi.

If we're basing "elite" off of recruiting rankings, Chris Tyree says hi.

 

[Crazy Balki]

How many rbs has Notre Dame put in the League in the last ten years? How many are starting backs and not just fillers? No knock on Kyren or Tyree, they are good backs but neither would be playing at Alabama. The best teams have outstanding players at skilled positions that put the defense in a bind. We are close but not there.

Uh, you really think Kyren wouldn't play at Alabama?

I can see him not starting over Najee, but he'd absolutely play. He gives you way too much versatility and considering his ability to protect the QB and catch out of the backfield, he'd be a natural fit in that offense.

Tyree would most likely also have a role, because he has that top-end speed that you need to get on the field in some capacity.

 

[Luckylucci]

How many rbs has Notre Dame put in the League in the last ten years? How many are starting backs and not just fillers? No knock on Kyren or Tyree, they are good backs but neither would be playing at Alabama. The best teams have outstanding players at skilled positions that put the defense in a bind. We are close but not there.

Well, I do think Tyree would play at Bama and so did they. We beat out Bama for Tyree.

 

[Irish YJ]

Well, I do think Tyree would play at Bama and so did they. We beat out Bama for Tyree.

Be honest though. At this stage, he wouldn't be an every down guy. I wouldn't be surprised though if he had more production though as far as AP goes.

 

[Dale]

How many rbs has Notre Dame put in the League in the last ten years? How many are starting backs and not just fillers? No knock on Kyren or Tyree, they are good backs but neither would be playing at Alabama. The best teams have outstanding players at skilled positions that put the defense in a bind. We are close but not there.

Using just the scary word Alabama as a measuring stick makes this silly from the beginning. Let’s actually use names and do this instead. 2021 Alabama probably has Trey Sanders who has never been healthy or showed his billing and a steady but no star in Brian Robinson? You’re 100% those two are better?

2021 OSU would they take Kyren/Tyree? Probably. Definitely over Teague and they have a true FR coming in which you’d probably bank on Kyren over him.

Clemson? Probably too. A mix of good recruits but none were able to even really give Etienne a consistent breather.

Do all 3 of these teams have recruits that could certainly explode past Kyren/Tyree? Sure. But to act like they wouldn’t touch the top teams is just silly

 

[Luckylucci]

Be honest though. At this stage, he wouldn't be an every down guy. I wouldn't be surprised though if he had more production though as far as AP goes.

Sure and I didn’t say he would. But that doesn’t have anything to do with it. He said neither would play at Bama. Bama wanted one of them to play for them.

We always talk about recruiting guys that elite programs want. And then when we win those recruitments, they weren’t that good to begin with. Silly stuff.

 

[irishandy]

Let him leave, we got Estime in this class who got a bump up in his ratings, and between Diggs and Estime I'd give the edge to Estime to faster PT. No Diggs=1 less scholarship.

 

[House16]

Well, for me the bolded is BS. First, you state is was created "to avoid paying students" without any proof and obviously it is just your opinion.

Yikes sorry I thought this was common knowledge and didn't think I had to link to sources. See any of the 6 links spelling this out below. The most comprehensive is the first, which is a published paper from history profs at MSU. Basically in 1954 the NCAA was dragged into a worker's comp case so they invented the term "student-athlete" to claim that they weren't liable since the plaintiffs weren't "workers" at all. This isn't "just my opinion" at all...

https://history.msu.edu/hst329/files/2015/05/The-Myth-of-the-Student-Athlete.pdf
https://www.riskmanagementmonitor.c...student-athlete-to-avoid-paying-workers-comp/
https://www.insidenu.com/2014/1/28/5355988/ncaa-student-athlete-kain-colter-union-workers-comp
https://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2020/08/student-athlete-term-editorial
https://deadspin.com/how-the-myth-of-the-ncaa-student-athlete-was-born-1524282374
https://www.aspeninstitute.org/blog-posts/history-behind-debate-paying-ncaa-athletes/

 

[Free Manera]

The NFL just needs to abandon the 3 year rule.

Let kids declare for the draft whenever they want. Form minor leagues so that college football can stop being their de facto minor leagues.

Let student athletes play school and football. Let the kids that have the pedigree and skills to focus on football.

Quit the stupid charade of forcing future draft picks to go to school for a few years just to qualify for the NFL. The ones that want to go to school still can. The ones that need to maximize their skills and money as fast as possible to take care of their families can do that.

 

[House16]

Second, for most parents, including me who had a child receive a scholarship, to get a full ride to the equivalent of around $250,000 seems like a pretty good payment. Most athletes get to walk away from the university with a degree and no debt compared to most of his/her classmates that walk away with $50,000 to $150,000 of student loans.

Idk, the market clearly shows that some athletes are worth way more than the value of a scholarship. If some posters on this board thought the work you did was only worth $35k/year (average annual cost of college), would it legally justify a cartel suppressing your wages to that value?

 

[MNIrishman]

Idk, the market clearly shows that some athletes are worth way more than the value of a scholarship. If some posters on this board thought the work you did was only worth $35k/year (average annual cost of college), would it legally justify a cartel suppressing your wages to that value?

The economies of the world are built around exploiting the arbitrage that exists between the value that individuals create and that which they are given. No one gets paid the value they generate for their employer. In this case, the scholarship concept is a leveler---the value of the team is greater than the value of the scholarships, or there'd be no economic reason to have a team and the individual stars would have no value at all. That's without getting into all the Title IX complication.

 

[dad4aa]

Yikes sorry I thought this was common knowledge and didn't think I had to link to sources. See any of the 6 links spelling this out below. The most comprehensive is the first, which is a published paper from history profs at MSU. Basically in 1954 the NCAA was dragged into a worker's comp case so they invented the term "student-athlete" to claim that they weren't liable since the plaintiffs weren't "workers" at all. This isn't "just my opinion" at all...

https://history.msu.edu/hst329/files/2015/05/The-Myth-of-the-Student-Athlete.pdf
https://www.riskmanagementmonitor.c...student-athlete-to-avoid-paying-workers-comp/
https://www.insidenu.com/2014/1/28/5355988/ncaa-student-athlete-kain-colter-union-workers-comp
https://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2020/08/student-athlete-term-editorial
https://deadspin.com/how-the-myth-of-the-ncaa-student-athlete-was-born-1524282374
https://www.aspeninstitute.org/blog-posts/history-behind-debate-paying-ncaa-athletes/

Idk, the market clearly shows that some athletes are worth way more than the value of a scholarship. If some posters on this board thought the work you did was only worth $35k/year (average annual cost of college), would it legally justify a cartel suppressing your wages to that value?

Appreciate the first quote as I had no idea that is where the term came from. Reps for that.

The second I again disagree. Some are worth more than their scholarships but there are many that are needed for the team to be able to run full practices and stuff but rarely/never see the field so not sure how you would measure their value. MNIrishman posted a great explanation.

 

[Blazers46]

The NFL just needs to abandon the 3 year rule.

Let kids declare for the draft whenever they want. Form minor leagues so that college football can stop being their de facto minor leagues.

Let student athletes play school and football. Let the kids that have the pedigree and skills to focus on football.

Quit the stupid charade of forcing future draft picks to go to school for a few years just to qualify for the NFL. The ones that want to go to school still can. The ones that need to maximize their skills and money as fast as possible to take care of their families can do that.

I thought the XFL did it all wrong. They should have been recruiting high school kids. Have an age limit of maybe 23 or 24. Scoop up all the non drafted FAs or the ones that get cut in camp and then scoop up as many HS kids as you can.

 

[Valpodoc85]

Using just the scary word Alabama as a measuring stick makes this silly from the beginning. Let’s actually use names and do this instead. 2021 Alabama probably has Trey Sanders who has never been healthy or showed his billing and a steady but no star in Brian Robinson? You’re 100% those two are better?

2021 OSU would they take Kyren/Tyree? Probably. Definitely over Teague and they have a true FR coming in which you’d probably bank on Kyren over him.

Clemson? Probably too. A mix of good recruits but none were able to even really give Etienne a consistent breather.

Do all 3 of these teams have recruits that could certainly explode past Kyren/Tyree? Sure. But tolike they wouldn’t touch the top teams is just silly

Points made are valid. What I’m trying to express is we don’t have Najee Harris or Ezekiel Elliott. But that supposes we can’t win a natty without one which is incorrect. I’ll let myself out now.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Another aspect that tends to get overlooked is the availability of college athletics as a platform to show your worth to future professional sports employers. People can go around calling it a cartel all they want but there is an endless supply of kids that want to play football in college for a reason, just as there is a very large supply of kids that play juniors in hockey/join youth academies in European soccer. I'm sure those kids would take the 35K a year if given the chance.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Points made are valid. What I’m trying to express is we don’t have Najee Harris or Ezekiel Elliott. But that supposes we can’t win a natty without one which is incorrect. I’ll let myself out now.

And again, to be fair, Chris Tyree's stats were better than both of those guys' freshman seasons. But to be fair to you as well, that means nothing unless he takes the jump that they did sophomore/junior year.

 

[Rogue219]

He's not good enough to play rb at ND anyway, let him go

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Quite an indictment on the coaching staff, you’re making.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Quite an indictment on the coaching staff, you’re making.

Yeah.
Staff went all in on Shipley. Missed, scrambled for another back. Got a deep back up target. Meanwhile, they made up ground and got a better recruit.

He wouldn't see time at ND. He's already showing flakey signs, don't see that improving at ND.

Not disrespecting the kid, but if he wants PT, he needs to be more realistic with his options.

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[Dale]

Yeah.
Staff went all in on Shipley. Missed, scrambled for another back. Got a deep back up target. Meanwhile, they made up ground and got a better recruit.

He wouldn't see time at ND. He's already showing flakey signs, don't see that improving at ND.

Not disrespecting the kid, but if he wants PT, he needs to be more realistic with his options.

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You talk about a kid holding LOIs from ND and LSU like he should find a Sun Belt team to take him lol.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

You talk about a kid holding LOIs from ND and LSU like he should find a Sun Belt team to take him lol.

Yeah, he's the one acting like it atm.
Notre Dame, by all accounts, did nothing wrong here other than go after a 2nd back. If he's afraid of the competition (assuming LSU has good backs too) he could go be a star at a Sun Belt school.

 

[dublinirish]

Yeah, he's the one acting like it atm.
Notre Dame, by all accounts, did nothing wrong here other than go after a 2nd back. If he's afraid of the competition (assuming LSU has good backs too) he could go be a star at a Sun Belt school.

lol they already have the 5th and 7th ranked RB's in their 2021 class. It was rumored though previously the saw Diggs as an ATH who could move to Linebacker..

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

lol they already have the 5th and 7th ranked RB's in their 2021 class. It was rumored though previously the saw Diggs as an ATH who could move to Linebacker..

Exactly my point...
I don't see him as a fit for ND or LSU...
Sun Belt seems like a better fit, no italics. Maybe a real low level power 5 school.

 

[dublinirish]

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