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Good prospect with seemingly a lot of heavy hitters after him

Would take him as a 3rd DT prospect. I think he has higher upside than Toilolo, he just needs time in the system and the chance to add weight. If you get me a DL class of...

DE: Abraham Sesay or Mekai Brown
DE: Aidan O'Neal or Marcus Fakatou
DE: KJ Green or Ifeanyi Emedobi or Esa Wittingburg
DT: David Folorunsho
DT: Brayden Parks
DT: Alifeleti Tuihalamaka

That has program changing potential. Genuinely.
 

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This board was complaining about the staff being too safe earlier in the day. lol.
Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see people complaining about the staff being too safe. My point was that Mike Singer's class projection was too safe and that I'd view the group he projected as a recruiting fail, despite being excellent... My point was always that ND's head coach is too good of a recruiter, the program has too much momentum and too much money has been infused into the recruiting department and ND's NIL to not capitalize and "challenge everything" in attempt to land a banner class.... This is exactly the level of recruiting agression that I wanted and expected from the staff.
 

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Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see people complaining about the staff being too safe. My point was that Mike Singer's class projection was too safe and that I'd view the group he projected as a recruiting fail, despite being excellent... My point was always that ND's head coach is too good of a recruiter, the program has too much momentum and too much money has been infused into the recruiting department and ND's NIL to not capitalize and "challenge everything" in attempt to land a banner class.... This is exactly the level of recruiting agression that I wanted and expected from the staff.
I echo this. @IrishInOntario and I both agreed Singer's class was solid but not one that meets the new standard we have. And it isn't unsalvageable. Just 2 or 3 players could improve it.

Does anyone have an idea of what our 26 projected class was at this point last year? Would be fun to compare what Singer was thinking at this point v. what actually happened
 

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Can someone provide an updated DL board? We need to break this down into categories at this point:
  1. Every down DE
  2. Interior DL
  3. Power edge
  4. Speed edge
 

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With the scholarship expansion we should be loading up on 3-4 DE's and 3 DT's every class. The ones who aren't good enough will process themselves out. You want to take around 6-7 DL guys every class. Same could be said for OL you should be taking 5 OL every class.
 

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Massive. Dump the bank truck. I imagine ND saw the top 5 and said get him in now

Definitely near the top of my board. Probably at the top of SDE hierarchy for me...

SDE
1. Mekai Brown
2. Marcus Fakatou (might be a DT)
3. Aidan O'Neal
4. Alifeleti Tuihalamaka (might be a DT)

WDE / Edge
1. Abraham Sesay
2. KJ Green
3. Ifeanyi Emedobi
4. Santana Harvey
5. Esa Wittingburg
 

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Definitely near the top of my board. Probably at the top of SDE hierarchy for me...

SDE
1. Mekai Brown
2. Marcus Fakatou (might be a DT)
3. Aidan O'Neal
4. Alifeleti Tuihalamaka (might be a DT)

WDE / Edge
1. Abraham Sesay
2. KJ Green
3. Ifeanyi Emedobi
4. Santana Harvey
5. Esa Wittingburg
Havent watched Santana film. But this is a solid ranking. I want to watch Fakatou and see if I can envision him at a DE.

If just viewing him as a DT, where would you rank him in comparison to the other DTs we are recruiting?
 

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Havent watched Santana film. But this is a solid ranking. I want to watch Fakatou and see if I can envision him at a DE.

If just viewing him as a DT, where would you rank him in comparison to the other DTs we are recruiting?

I think he has the potential to play at DE, but will be fighting to keep the weight off ala Chris Burgess. If he's committed to being 270-275lbs Fakatou could probably play SDE, I just don't think his body will stay st that weight long term. Like Burgess, my guess is that he eventually sees that reality and embraces it.

Mekai Brown is my top SDE because he's going to fill out into that weight and still be ultra long and twitchy, ala Bryce Young. Fakatou, by comparison will have to fight to stay at that weight and maintain that level of quickness.
 

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I think he has the potential to play at DE, but will be fighting to keep the weight off ala Chris Burgess. If he's committed to being 270-275lbs Fakatou could probably play SDE, I just don't think his body will stay st that weight long term. Like Burgess, my guess is that he eventually sees that reality and embraces it.

Mekai Brown is my top SDE because he's going to fill out into that weight and still be ultra long and twitchy, ala Bryce Young. Fakatou, by comparison will have to fight to stay at that weight and maintain that level of quickness.
Sorry. Could have worded it better. I meant Fakatou ranked in comparison to Parks, the other chicago kid, and Montana.
 

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Would take him as a 3rd DT prospect. I think he has higher upside than Toilolo, he just needs time in the system and the chance to add weight. If you get me a DL class of...

DE: Abraham Sesay or Mekai Brown
DE: Aidan O'Neal or Marcus Fakatou
DE: KJ Green or Ifeanyi Emedobi or Esa Wittingburg
DT: David Folorunsho
DT: Brayden Parks
DT: Alifeleti Tuihalamaka

That has program changing potential. Genuinely.
Fakatou is likely a DE who winds up at DT once he leaves the Prep level. A class of DEs with Sesay, Brown and KJ Green with DTs Fakatou, Parks and Folorunsho would be ELITE. Of course I'd figure chances are much greater we land O'Neil and Green ends up in the $EC.
 

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Sorry. Could have worded it better. I meant Fakatou ranked in comparison to Parks, the other chicago kid, and Montana.

My DT rankings, if Fakatou was committed to playing the position would be...

1. David Folorunsho
2. Marcus Fakatou

Gap

3. Brayden Parks

Gap

4. Alifeleti Tuihalamaka (if he plays DT)
5. Montana Toilolo
 

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Fakatou is likely a DE who winds up at DT once he leaves the Prep level. A class of DEs with Sesay, Brown and KJ Green with DTs Fakatou, Parks and Folorunsho would be ELITE.

I doubt that class would be realistic, although I would definitely take it... give me the following class and I would be ecstatic:

Edge: Abraham Sesay
Edge: Ifeany Emedobi
SDE: Mekai Brown or Aidan O'Neal
SDE / DT: Marcus Fakatou
DT: David Folorunsho
NG: Brayden Parks
 

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Massive. Dump the bank truck. I imagine ND saw the top 5 and said get him in now
Apparently he wants to decide soon and wants to see ND before that happens, ND will need to do very well, maybe he pushes back to officials, think this would be his first visit.

Also WR Matthew Gregory has set an official for the Irish in June
 

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Not sure if this was posted, but maybe could have something to do with a shift in the DE board as well. But agree, we will sign at least a solid DL class with partridge
 

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The thing people have to remember is that in the current environment, it's not just about who really likes ND, it's also the price tag for an elite player at each position and who is willing to pay it and win the bidding wars going on. Every time a big time guy commits (such as Forstall) the market gets tighter and the price tag goes up for the remaining top talent by some amount. The result is that it makes it insanely difficult to get all the guys you want, regardless of how hard you recruit them, unless you're willing to spend top dollar for every single one of them.

That is not to excuse ND. If they don't land a top flight DL class, it's completely on them for not being willing to compete financially... But every school has a budget and a price tag they're willing to pay a position group. These things move insanely quickly and the agents and their clients are cutthroat. If the pricetag for a recruit climbs beyond your comfort zone and what you've allotted for that spot in the class, you have 3 choices:

1). Steal money earmarked for another position to stay in the race for said player.

2). Move on to the next player on your board, hoping to land him at the price you've slotted for that position.

3). Quickly try to find some additional money from the collective to match / surpass what a competitor is willing to offer.

For that reason, it can seem like ND is going to kill it at a position one day and the next day a bunch of those guys are off the board. That's why I've been saying that ND likely only gets a maximum of two of Sesay, Brown, Fakatou, O'Neil, Green or Forstall (now off the board). Possibly only one. The #2/#3 DE might have to be a down the board guy. It also likely depends on what the price tag is for the likes of Folorunsho and Parks on the interior.

Keep all of that in mind while also remembering that while ND is competitive with NIL, is not likely going to be the top bidder in any of these recruitments, which means that guys will be leaving money on the table to choose ND. Some guys will be ok with that given what ND has to offer, while others will choose to take the money.

Recruiting is much more of a business now, which means fans can't really be as invested in individual recruits. All we can hope is that ND is able to land as many from the pool of their top of the board players as their budget allows, and it's the staff's job to allocate the funds to the positions they want to spend the most and least money at in a given cycle. ND's budget is competitive, but still conservative. If they think player B gives them 90% of the upside as player A, but costs 75% of what player A does, sometimes they're going to have to swallow hard and pass on the more expensive player in order to keep their budget intact or to re-allocate the funds to the bidding wars for a player they like better or a position of greater need... Highly frustrating for the fans of recruiting who are left scratching their heads, but realistic in the moment we're in.

I'll say it again... Don't be shocked if ND's DL class is something like...

Parks + Folorunsho and 3 of O'Neil, Brown, Fakatou, Sesay, Green, Emedobi, Harvey, Tuihalamaka, Wittington, etc... And don't assume that all three guys will come from the big names at the top of that DE list. Hell, don't assume that even two of them will depending on the price tags.
 
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All this DL talk...

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The thing people have to remember is that in the current environment, it's not just about who really likes ND, it's also the price tag for an elite player at each position and who is willing to pay it and win the bidding wars going on. Every time a big time guy commits (such as Forstall) the market gets tighter and the price tag goes up for the remaining top talent by some amount. The result is that it makes it insanely difficult to get all the guys you want, regardless of how hard you recruit them, unless you're willing to spend top dollar for every single one of them.

That is not to excuse ND. If they don't land a top flight DL class, it's completely on them for not being willing to compete financially... But every school has a budget and a price tag they're willing to pay a position group. These things move insanely quickly and the agents and their clients are cutthroat. If the pricetag for a recruit climbs beyond your comfort zone and what you've allotted for that spot in the class, you have 3 choices:

1). Steal money earmarked for another position to stay in the race for said player.

2). Move on to the next player on your board, hoping to land him at the price you've slotted for that position.

3). Quickly try to find some additional money from the collective to match / surpass what a competitor is willing to offer.

For that reason, it can seem like ND is going to kill it at a position one day and the next day a bunch of those guys are off the board. That's why I've been saying that ND likely only gets a maximum of two of Sesay, Brown, Fakatou, O'Neil, Green or Forstall (now off the board). Possibly only one. The #2/#3 DE might have to be a down the board guy. It also likely depends on what the price tag is for the likes of Folorunsho and Parks on the interior.

Keep all of that in mind while also remembering that while ND is competitive with NIL, is not likely going to be the top bidder in any of these recruitments, which means that guys will be leaving money on the table to choose ND. Some guys will be ok with that given what ND has to offer, while others will choose to take the money.

Recruiting is much more of a business now, which means fans can't really be as invested in individual recruits. All we can hope is that ND is able to land as many from the pool of their top of the board players as their budget allows, and it's the staff's job to allocate the funds to the positions they want to spend the most and least money at in a given cycle. ND's budget is competitive, but still conservative. If they think player B gives them 90% of the upside as player A, but costs 75% of what player A does, sometimes they're going to have to swallow hard and pass on the more expensive player in order to keep their budget intact or to re-allocate the funds to the bidding wars for a player they like better or a position of greater need... Highly frustrating for the fans of recruiting who are left scratching their heads, but realistic in the moment we're in.

I'll say it again... Don't be shocked if ND's DL class is something like...

Parks + Folorunsho and 3 of O'Neil, Brown, Fakatou, Sesay, Green, Emedobi, Harvey, Tuihalamaka, Wittington, etc... And don't assume that all three guys will come from the big names at the top of that DE list. Hell, don't assume that even two of them will depending on the price tags.
And honestly, if you give me Parks, Folorunsho, O'Neil, Brown, and Sesay...that is pretty freaking solid. Not every year is going to be a homerun. We may have hit on two good DEs next year. DT was low in numbers. Parks and Folorunsho are two DTs, O'Neil has some inside potential too.

Another thing to consider, is the staff may be saying "2028 DE recruits love us". Look at the guys they are pursuing that year. They can't invest all of their resources in 2027 either. 2028 has a lot of "ND fits" at that position.

@IrishInOntario and I were critical of the Singer's mock class. I was not in love with the DL class he projected but it really comes down to adding one additional DL he did not include. My concerns were at WR, LB, and honestly just needing one more overall elite talent.
 

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And honestly, if you give me Parks, Folorunsho, O'Neil, Brown, and Sesay...that is pretty freaking solid. Not every year is going to be a homerun. We may have hit on two good DEs next year. DT was low in numbers. Parks and Folorunsho are two DTs, O'Neil has some inside potential too.

Another thing to consider, is the staff may be saying "2028 DE recruits love us". Look at the guys they are pursuing that year. They can't invest all of their resources in 2027 either. 2028 has a lot of "ND fits" at that position.

@IrishInOntario and I were critical of the Singer's mock class. I was not in love with the DL class he projected but it really comes down to adding one additional DL he did not include. My concerns were at WR, LB, and honestly just needing one more overall elite talent.

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't know if 3 DEs the price of Sesay, Brown and O'Neil or Fakatou are even affordable in a class that includes both Folorunsho and Parks.

Could very well be looking at something like...

O'Neil or Fakatou
Brown or Sesay or Green or Harvey
Emedobi or Wittingburg
Folorunsho
Parks
Toilolo or Tuihalamaka

I think 2 stud DEs and 2 stud DTs, supported by a high upside developmental guy at each spot is most likely. As you mentioned, my critique of Singer's class was the absence of a 3rd DE in a year ND has a lot of interest and options. Never did I feel that ND was likely to wind up with 3 DEs from the initial pool of Jacobs, Whitehead, Forstall, Green, Sesay, Fakatou, O'Neil and Brown. My hope was always 2 guys guys from that DE / Edge pool, supplemented by the likes of an Emedobi or Wittingburg type. I always felt like that was probably the most likely allocation of funds after landing Dunham and Ewetade in 2026.
 
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Yesterday rivals said a leader was emerging for the DT Montana. Last night Matt Freeman put a pick in for UCLA. Not a massive loss but something to note
 

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Yesterday rivals said a leader was emerging for the DT Montana. Last night Matt Freeman put a pick in for UCLA. Not a massive loss but something to note

Yesterday rivals said a leader was emerging for the DT Montana. Last night Matt Freeman put a pick in for UCLA. Not a massive loss but something to note

Makes sense to me if ND is focusing on bigger fish. Personnally I'm a fan of this "pass". My priority is both Folorunsho and Parks, then taking two of O'Neil, Fakatou and Tuihalamaka and letting one of them grow into a DT... That would be my interior DL plan. I think it maximizes upside.
 
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Makes sense to me if ND is focusing on bigger fish. Personnally I'm a fan of this "pass". My priority is both Folorunsho and Parks, then taking two of O'Neil, Fakatou Tuihalamaka and letting one of them grow into a DT... That would be my DL plan.
Yup. 2 true DTs and then a big edge who can bump down on pass downs (or grow into a DT)
 

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Next year we should return Young at DE along with Keeley, the two Freshman Dunham and Ebenezer. DT's should be Brewu, Tionne, Burgess, Mukam, Mullins, and Golden. This is if everyone comes back.
 

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Next year we should return Young at DE along with Keeley, the two Freshman Dunham and Ebenezer. DT's should be Brewu, Tionne, Burgess, Mukam, Mullins, and Golden. This is if everyone comes back.

We also have another transfer portal window, so people have to see recruiting through that lens now as well. Any misses in a high school class can be made up for by bringing in an already developed player from another school to augment. For that reason, it's important that the staff not reach down their high school recruiting board too far and take numbers for the sake of it. Ultimately, you shoot for the stars, take a couple players you think are underrated, then augment through the transfer portal a few weeks after the early signing period, signing players you already know can play a the college level.

Recruiting class rankings really should be seen as 2027 high school class + 2027 Portal class. The staff's recruitment effort should be judged by both mechanisms of talent acquisition combined.
 
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