2025 Master Thread

[CanadalovesND]

Doesn't make much sense to me as it seems that Faraimo, Mikhail and Nix are Mike's as well yet they are going to still recruit them. That sucks as I'm a fan of the Jones as Will's.

They are all quite athletic and have some positional flexibility

 

[IAIrish]

Ryan Roberts posted an update on IB board.

Staff is moving on from Antoine Deslauriers, Christian Jones, and surprisingly Marco Jones. This has to do with Sacca committing and taking the MIKE role in this class.

Regarding M Jones: “ The original plan was to continue recruiting him at Vyper, but sounds like not everyone is on board with whether or not he should be a take at Vyper, so the staff is moving on.”

The staff will be pushing for Faraimo, NOB, Mikhail & Nix for the other remaining LB spot.

Thanks 🇨🇦

It makes some sense with Deslauriers and C Jones, but surprised on Marco Jones. Seems crazy to stop recruiting a player of his caliber in March. I wonder what gave them pause at Vyper.

Interesting they consider Nix a potential will and Sacca a mike. My first impression was the opposite.

 

[Ricochet]

Thanks 🇨🇦

It makes some sense with Deslauriers and C Jones, but surprised on Marco Jones. Seems crazy to stop recruiting a player of his caliber in March. I wonder what gave them pause at Vyper.

Interesting they consider Nix a potential will and Sacca a mike. My first impression was the opposite.

Giving up on Marco Jones has me in a loop. The only thing I can make of it is that they think that they have a very realistic of landing both Shanklin and Ikinnangbon.

Them seeing Nix as a will more than a Mike threw as well. Sacca to me seems like a prospect who is Jack of all trade type who they like as a Mike and that makes sense to me as it would as a Will or as a Rover.

I saw Nix as a Mike and that's about it.

Marco Jones to me was a Will but could be a Mike or Vyper.

 

[BobbyMac]

Giving up on Marco Jones has me in a loop. The only thing I can make of it is that they think that they have a very realistic of landing both Shanklin and Ikinnangbon.

Them seeing Nix as a will more than a Mike threw as well. Sacca to me seems like a prospect who is Jack of all trade type who they like as a Mike and that makes sense to me as it would as a Will or as a Rover.

I saw Nix as a Mike and that's about it.

Marco Jones to me was a Will but could be a Mike or Vyper.

Ditto. Marco Jones has free bottle service in Mason Posa's VIP section of Club 25

 

[BobbyMac]

Went to ask if Christian Jones' B/G Game visit with the Rezaks will be cancelled and realized he never had a profile made...

No wonder we didn't get the needed traction.

My bad. I'll do better in the future.

 

[BeauBenken]

Went to ask if Christian Jones' B/G Game visit with the Rezaks will be cancelled and realized he never had a profile made...

No wonder we didn't get the needed traction.

My bad. I'll do better in the future.

Need some young kids to pick up the slack and keep you on your toes. ha

 

[Ricochet]

They are all quite athletic and have some positional flexibility

No doubt but when it was said the other day that Sacca was being recruited as a Mike and who they were continuing to recruit it seemed backwards in my eyes as least. Sacca was the most versatile of the bunch with the Jones's being Will's first the Mike's. Whereas I see Faraimo, Mikhail and Nix as true Mike's who obviously could play as a Will.

 

[BobbyMac]

Need some young kids to pick up the slack and keep you on your toes. ha

No... I just need to slow down with work and get back to my therapeutic life here on IE. This place will align your chakras as long as you stay out of the political threads.

 

[BeauBenken]

No... I just need to slow down with work and get back to my therapeutic life here on IE. This place will align your chakras as long as you stay out of the political threads.

We have political threads? hah

 

[Rocketman84]

ND doesn't expect him to be in the class

This is where the problem with taking a couple of these WRs in the class is a problem especially one that isn't expected to really contribute much if ever at all.

 

[BobbyMac]

We have political threads? hah

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We’re recruiting Marie Osmond’s kid? Woulda thought he’d be a BYU lock.

Next to ole Roadkill Rhonda over in the Awesome Vid thread, this is BobbyMac’s idea of a 10+… no cap.

 

[BobbyMac]

This is where the problem with taking a couple of these WRs in the class is a problem especially one that isn't expected to really contribute much if ever at all.

Has anyone on the industry sites said he was passed over because they are full besides Meadows?

 

[NDMatt91]

This is where the problem with taking a couple of these WRs in the class is a problem especially one that isn't expected to really contribute much if ever at all.

I'm not worried about it because of the portal. If multiple WR's in this class don't hit, the staff will take multiple WR's in the portal for a few years. If these WR recruits don't hit I'd also expect the staff to learn from this and not "settle" for certain types of WR's going forward.

 

[a mike]

I'm not worried about it because of the portal. If multiple WR's in this class don't hit, the staff will take multiple WR's in the portal for a few years. If these WR recruits don't hit I'd also expect the staff to learn from this and not "settle" for certain types of WR's going forward.

That works until some of them don't want to transfer and tie up the scholarship

 

[NDMatt91]

That works until some of them don't want to transfer and tie up the scholarship

If you're Freeman then you either move them to a different position or let the staff know that they can't take any more projects at the position, they need to bring in dudes.

 

[BobbyMac]

That works until some of them don't want to transfer and tie up the scholarship

Rare case now a days. Instant portal, EE, summer classes, online classes, NIL & medical's have basically eliminated squatting.

 

[a mike]

Rare case now a days. Instant portal, EE, summer classes, online classes, NIL & medical's have basically eliminated squatting.

Not necessarily if your dad was a successful NFL player that's been thru the systems and knows the score

They're going to value earning that ND degree and not transfer out early to go to Crap State University just to get PT

That's my particular concern with JBJ and Mini Plaxico

Otherwise I would tend to agree with you

 

[NDpendent]

Pretty crazy that this class is almost done.
So the staff is taking a minimum of 25 but will go up to 28 for their dream class.

Offense we just have 1-3 spots left
WR 1 or 2 - Meadows and either Taylor or Boggs.
OL - 0 - 1 Pushing for Lange or done

Defense 4-7
LB 1 - likely Nix but backups in Haynes Faraimo and NOB
CB 2 - 3 Golden and Zachery (Not sure they would take Finney with those two)
Edge 1 - Shanklin (or replacement)
S - 0 - 1 Blair or nothing
Ath 1 - Penson

So the class should finish with the below numbers to get to the minimum of 25
20.) Meadows
21.) Golden
22.) Nix (as the placeholder or another LB)
23.) Zackery
24.) Shanklin (placeholder for edge)
25.) Penson

With potential to go to 28 (3 spots for the rest remaining)
26.) Lange
27.) WR Taylor or Boggs
28.) S Blair
29.) Finney ???

Am I Missing anything ?

 

[Rocketman84]

I'm not worried about it because of the portal. If multiple WR's in this class don't hit, the staff will take multiple WR's in the portal for a few years. If these WR recruits don't hit I'd also expect the staff to learn from this and not "settle" for certain types of WR's going forward.

Well the problem with constantly using the portal for your shortcomings is that you never solve your recruiting or development problem.

 

[Rocketman84]

That works until some of them don't want to transfer and tie up the scholarship

Exactly, this class could've truly been a Top 3 class but will probably end up in the 6-8 range due to lack of patience on Elite recruits and not pumping the brakes on lesser recruits who were ready to commit.

 

[domer13]

Pretty crazy that this class is almost done.
So the staff is taking a minimum of 25 but will go up to 28 for their dream class.

Offense we just have 1-3 spots left
WR 1 or 2 - Meadows and either Taylor or Boggs.
OL - 0 - 1 Pushing for Lange or done

Defense 4-7
LB 1 - likely Nix but backups in Haynes Faraimo and NOB
CB 2 - 3 Golden and Zachery (Not sure they would take Finney with those two)
Edge 1 - Shanklin (or replacement)
S - 0 - 1 Blair or nothing
Ath 1 - Penson

So the class should finish with the below numbers to get to the minimum of 25
20.) Meadows
21.) Golden
22.) Nix (as the placeholder or another LB)
23.) Zackery
24.) Shanklin (placeholder for edge)
25.) Penson

With potential to go to 28 (3 spots for the rest remaining)
26.) Lange
27.) WR Taylor or Boggs
28.) S Blair
29.) Finney ???

Am I Missing anything ?

That's all basically where I'm at as well. I wonder if we'll see any decommits in the coming months.

 

[ColinKSU]

Exactly, this class could've truly been a Top 3 class but will probably end up in the 6-8 range due to lack of patience on Elite recruits and not pumping the brakes on lesser recruits who were ready to commit.

The good thing is ND can hang around the peripheral with stacks of 6-10 range recruiting classes. They’ll always have to rely on a lot of breaks to win a title, but Michigan showed you can do it with that kind of talent.

My problem with ‘25 recruiting is they need to get lucky with a lot of commits that hit their stride as HS seniors to be a Top 10 class. There’s too many kids I don’t see it yet with and I’m not sold Deuce is even in the class on NSD.

 

[FWIrish4]

Exactly, this class could've truly been a Top 3 class but will probably end up in the 6-8 range due to lack of patience on Elite recruits and not pumping the brakes on lesser recruits who were ready to commit.

This staff has not been afraid to move on from early committed guys for prospects they like better (whether one agrees or disagrees on this strategy). I don’t think we should be concerned about them becoming complacent quite yet.

 

[a mike]

but will probably end up in the 6-8 range

That's optimistic

It'll slot more in the 8-12 range

There's not too much star power in this class--especially compared to last year's class

 

[domer13]

That's optimistic

It'll slot more in the 8-12 range

There's not too much star power in this class--especially compared to last year's class

Just did some number crunching.

Using 247Sports rankings, I averaged the composite score for the top 25 for each year since 2011 (first year of 247Composite). I also averaged the same over the last 5 years.

Likely: If the class picks up Meadows, Shanklin, Zackery, and Golden, that will equal 276.24. This would be good for 8th overall, and 8th overall if you average just the last 5 years.
Possible: If the class picks up Lange, Ikinnagbon, Nix, Blair, and Penson, that will score 287.56. This would be good for 5th overall, and 6th overall if you average just the last 5 years.
Dream: If the class picks up NOB, Mikhail, and Talyn Taylor, that will score 296.24. This would be good for 3rd overall, and 4th overall if you average just the last 5 years.

So it seems like top 8 seems reasonable. We'll see how it works out.

 

[bumpdaddy]

Pretty crazy that this class is almost done.
So the staff is taking a minimum of 25 but will go up to 28 for their dream class.

Offense we just have 1-3 spots left
WR 1 or 2 - Meadows and either Taylor or Boggs.
OL - 0 - 1 Pushing for Lange or done

Defense 4-7
LB 1 - likely Nix but backups in Haynes Faraimo and NOB
CB 2 - 3 Golden and Zachery (Not sure they would take Finney with those two)
Edge 1 - Shanklin (or replacement)
S - 0 - 1 Blair or nothing
Ath 1 - Penson

So the class should finish with the below numbers to get to the minimum of 25
20.) Meadows
21.) Golden
22.) Nix (as the placeholder or another LB)
23.) Zackery
24.) Shanklin (placeholder for edge)
25.) Penson

With potential to go to 28 (3 spots for the rest remaining)
26.) Lange
27.) WR Taylor or Boggs
28.) S Blair
29.) Finney ???

Am I Missing anything ?

Right after Sacca committed, Roberts and Singer said they think ND is looking to take 2 more LBs and maybe as many as 3 if they are the right ones.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Right after Sacca committed, Roberts and Singer said they think ND is looking to take 2 more LBs and maybe as many as 3 if they are the right ones.

For context, one is a VYPER, and the other two inside backers. A fifth only it it’s someone they can’t say no to, ala NOB or Mikhail

 

[NDPhilly]

I feel like we are going to see an all time high number of "mutual parting of ways" this summer

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

I feel like we are going to see an all time high number of "mutual parting of ways" this summer

Based on what? Are you thinking just the staff realizing they have a legit chance on higher on the board kids and moving on from others when spots get tight?

 

[a mike]

Just did some number crunching.

Using 247Sports rankings, I averaged the composite score for the top 25 for each year since 2011 (first year of 247Composite). I also averaged the same over the last 5 years.

Likely: If the class picks up Meadows, Shanklin, Zackery, and Golden, that will equal 276.24. This would be good for 8th overall, and 8th overall if you average just the last 5 years.
Possible: If the class picks up Lange, Ikinnagbon, Nix, Blair, and Penson, that will score 287.56. This would be good for 5th overall, and 6th overall if you average just the last 5 years.
Dream: If the class picks up NOB, Mikhail, and Talyn Taylor, that will score 296.24. This would be good for 3rd overall, and 4th overall if you average just the last 5 years.

So it seems like top 8 seems reasonable. We'll see how it works out.

Thanks for crunching the numbers!

That'd be promising

Probably helps where we would have a surplus of commits over our usual 22-23 guys. I think that typically hampers us in the rankings maybe because I believe some of them use each team's best 25 recruits in the class or something like that?

Just seems we always somehow end up in that 8-12 range no matter who we sign