2017-2018 Notre Dame Men's Basketball

[Irish YJ]

UNC smacking Duke around early 16-3

 

[IrishLax]

Breaking my Deadspin rule -- https://deadspin.com/bonzie-colson-was-the-greatest-duke-killer-of-our-gener-1823651115

 

[Irish YJ]

Providence likely secured their bid along with Bama.

 

[loomis41973]

Amazing lack of fouls called in this UNC-Dook game.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Oklahoma and Middle Tennessee are definite no-go's. I don't know how those two are even worth discussing.

Oklahoma has been garbage for the last 2 months and was ousted by the apparent "first team out" in their conference opening round.

Middle Tennessee...I'll say it once, I'll say it a thousand times. If you're a mid-major team, you better do one of two things:

1) Have a damn impressive win resume.
2) Win your conference and earn that auto bid.

MTSU did neither of those. Their resume is downright pitiful and them losing to a sub .500 team in their tournament is a clear indicator that they're not worthy.

 

[Irish YJ]

Amazing lack of fouls called in this UNC-Dook game.

Duke trying to make another comeback. 13-0 run... 3pt game.

 

[Irish YJ]

Duke with the steal, and then Allen called for an O foul lol....

 

[Irish YJ]

OMG NC loses the ball out of bounds.... trying to lose this game.

 

[Irish YJ]

Allen bricks with 5 secs to go. Turribul.

 

[Irish YJ]

well Duke can probably kiss the 1 seed bye bye. They would have likely had it with a win given the Xavier loss.

 

[NDGOLDEN]

Oklahoma and Middle Tennessee are definite no-go's. I don't know how those two are even worth discussing.

Oklahoma has been garbage for the last 2 months and was ousted by the apparent "first team out" in their conference opening round.

Middle Tennessee...I'll say it once, I'll say it a thousand times. If you're a mid-major team, you better do one of two things:

1) Have a damn impressive win resume.
2) Win your conference and earn that auto bid.

MTSU did neither of those. Their resume is downright pitiful and them losing to a sub .500 team in their tournament is a clear indicator that they're not worthy.

Lunardi tweeted this morning that Okla and ASU are the last 2 in but he personally would have ND and MTSU so who knows what’s gonna happen

 

[texbender]

Not a big MBB follower, but from what i know from past season it doesn't seem like ND should be in NCAA tourney. Saw too many games where they really didn't look like that great of a team.
Going to NIT might be the best thing for them this year, and maybe they could make a decent run with what appears to be a pretty good field of teams.

 

[Irish YJ]

Lunardi tweeted this morning that Okla and ASU are the last 2 in but he personally would have ND and MTSU so who knows what’s gonna happen

Always a lot for the committee to argue about. Some will say ND'd 6-9 record w/o BC would likely have been 10-5 with him and easily in. Others will say but ND has bad losses with BC playing and 2-9 record vs top 50. Some will talk about MTSU's strong RPI and consistency and OK's 5-3 record over top 25 opponents.... Everyone has a narrative. I just hope whoever is arguing for ND has the loudest voice lol...

Would love to be a fly on the wall. Will be interesting to see how transparent the committee is when it comes to decision factors.

 

[NDGOLDEN]

Always a lot for the committee to argue about. Some will say ND'd 6-9 record w/o BC would likely have been 10-5 with him and easily in. Others will say but ND has bad losses with BC playing and 2-9 record vs top 50. Some will talk about MTSU's strong RPI and consistency and OK's 5-3 record over top 25 opponents.... Everyone has a narrative. I just hope whoever is arguing for ND has the loudest voice lol...

Would love to be a fly on the wall. Will be interesting to see how transparent the committee is when it comes to decision factors.

haha I 100% agree. I think this will be the hardest bubble the committee will have to deal with ever. It would be very interesting to be in that room come Sunday. I don’t think anyone knows what’s gonna happen tomorrow. Excited/nervous/anxious gonna be a fun day hopefully

 

[Irish YJ]

haha I 100% agree. I think this will be the hardest bubble the committee will have to deal with ever. It would be very interesting to be in that room come Sunday. I don’t think anyone knows what’s gonna happen tomorrow. Excited/nervous/anxious gonna be a fun day hopefully

Biggest enemy now are the bid stealers IMO. Aside from the NV and MTSU losses that could lead to extra bids, A10 could sneak an extra one in, and Memphis could get on a roll in the American.

 

[NDGOLDEN]

Biggest enemy now are the bid stealers IMO. Aside from the NV and MTSU losses that could lead to extra bids, A10 could sneak an extra one in, and Memphis could get on a roll in the American.

Ya true luckily there’s not a ton of bid stealers just a couple but ya that could hurt us but who knows haha I wish the committee would give us just a look at where they are at right now cause I’m getting antsy.

 

[ab2cmiller]

College Game Day panel voted for their picks to get in from the last four out first four in from Lunardi

Rece Davis and Jay Williams voted Notre Dame as their top pick and Jay Bilas had us as # 3. Don’t know what Seth Greenberg had us.

 

[Woneone]

College Game Day panel voted for their picks to get in from the last four out first four in from Lunardi

Rece Davis and Jay Williams voted Notre Dame as their top pick and Jay Bilas had us as # 3. Don’t know what Seth Greenberg had us.

Greenberg has been pretty solidly against us, which I can understand.

However, his fall back is the "Injuries happen to everyone" argument, which I'm not a fan of. If you say that the resume is what it is, and that Bonzie's return shouldn't matter, say that, don't deflect by saying other teams have injuries as well. I think we're all capable of realizing that all injuries and returns are not made equal.

 

[NDGOLDEN]

College Game Day panel voted for their picks to get in from the last four out first four in from Lunardi

Rece Davis and Jay Williams voted Notre Dame as their top pick and Jay Bilas had us as # 3. Don’t know what Seth Greenberg had us.

Top picks to get in?

 

[ab2cmiller]

Yes.

 

[NDGOLDEN]

Yes.

Well that’s good wish they were on the committee

 

[NDGOLDEN]

https://twitter.com/961sportsbeat/status/972568996372516864?s=21

Says that tournament chairman says the committee is spending extra time on special circumstances and confirmed ND is one of them

 

[Crazy Balki]

The whole "injuries happen to everyone" argument is a load of crap.

The problem is that ND isn't going into the postseason discussion with Bonzie still hurt. He's back and has been playing. That's a major factor, because the team that went 8-10 in the ACC did so WITHOUT one of the best players in the country.

Meanwhile, Oklahoma, Arizona State, Alabama, Baylor, Texas, all went 8-10 while still having their best players readily available for a majority of that stretch.

 

[NDGOLDEN]

The whole "injuries happen to everyone" argument is a load of crap.

The problem is that ND isn't going into the postseason discussion with Bonzie still hurt. He's back and has been playing. That's a major factor, because the team that went 8-10 in the ACC did so WITHOUT one of the best players in the country.

Meanwhile, Oklahoma, Arizona State, Alabama, Baylor, Texas, all went 8-10 while still having their best players readily available for a majority of that stretch.

Exactly even tho we only had 2 wins against teams that were above .500 in the ACC but I still agree we still have the same amount of wins in the conference so that’s impressive for a team that didn’t have their best player for 15 games and their 2nd best for 5 during conference play

Not only that but I stated a couple comments ago we only lost by single digits in 7 games 5 of which were within 5 or less so we were in every game

 

[Crazy Balki]

Exactly even tho we only had 2 wins against teams that were above .500 in the ACC but I still agree we still have the same amount of wins in the conference so that’s impressive for a team that didn’t have their best player for 15 games and their 2nd best for 5 during conference play

Not only that but I stated a couple comments ago we only lost by single digits in 7 games 5 of which were within 5 or less so we were in every game

To add to that, what precedent are we setting if an 8-10 team from the Big XII or Pac-12 gets in over an ACC team?

I don't want to go all "SEC SEC SEC" on this discussion, but it's blatantly obvious that the ACC is the top conference in basketball in terms of quality and quantity. It's really not close by any stretch. So why are we rewarding teams that go below .500 in lesser conferences? Arizona State finished 9th in a 12 team division, and a pretty awful one at that. The Big XII is a solid conference, but still doesn't possess the same level of depth that the ACC possesses. As evidence, the Big XII has 5 teams that finished with 20 or more victories this season. The ACC had ELEVEN. ND's resume is, by default, better in conference than any team from any other conference. You're gonna have to sport a number of signature wins. Most of the teams we're up against on the bubble do not. Not enough at least.

 

[NDGOLDEN]

To add to that, what precedent are we setting if an 8-10 team from the Big XII or Pac-12 gets in over an ACC team?

I don't want to go all "SEC SEC SEC" on this discussion, but it's blatantly obvious that the ACC is the top conference in basketball in terms of quality and quantity. It's really not close by any stretch. So why are we rewarding teams that go below .500 in lesser conferences? Arizona State finished 9th in a 12 team division, and a pretty awful one at that. The Big XII is a solid conference, but still doesn't possess the same level of depth that the ACC possesses. As evidence, the Big XII has 5 teams that finished with 20 or more victories this season. The ACC had ELEVEN. ND's resume is, by default, better in conference than any team from any other conference. You're gonna have to sport a number of signature wins. Most of the teams we're up against on the bubble do not. Not enough at least.

To add on that there’s been a bunch of top 25 teams that have lost to terrible teams. I feel like no one remembers that UNC lost at home to woffard. WVU got destroyed by Iowa st who is worse then IU. Duke and nova lost to St. John’s. Arizona lost to SMU and Colorado.

I could go all day long but the point is every good team has lost a game or 2 to very lower ranked teams. I hate that the only reason ppl are arguing that we shouldn’t be in is because we had 2 bad losses early in the year.

 

[Irish YJ]

Ya true luckily there’s not a ton of bid stealers just a couple but ya that could hurt us but who knows haha I wish the committee would give us just a look at where they are at right now cause I’m getting antsy.

There doesn't have to be all that many. You have the following situations. Marshall/MTSU, SDSU/NV (and slight chance Boise), and Davidson currently on a run (with RI guaranteed a bid and St Bon knocking). That's two spots likely assuming NV is in (they are) and if MTSU gets the nod. Davidson could steal on as RI definitely would be in.

Every spot counts when you're sitting on the edge like ND.

https://twitter.com/961sportsbeat/status/972568996372516864?s=21

Says that tournament chairman says the committee is spending extra time on special circumstances and confirmed ND is one of them

Send those guys some Irish Whiskey and lock the door.

The whole "injuries happen to everyone" argument is a load of crap.

The problem is that ND isn't going into the postseason discussion with Bonzie still hurt. He's back and has been playing. That's a major factor, because the team that went 8-10 in the ACC did so WITHOUT one of the best players in the country.

Meanwhile, Oklahoma, Arizona State, Alabama, Baylor, Texas, all went 8-10 while still having their best players readily available for a majority of that stretch.

I wouldn't say it's a load of crap. But there are degrees.... Everyone has injuries, but not to a double double AA candidate for 15 games. A team even with that injury still had a similar record to teams that are getting in from inferior conferences.

To add to that, what precedent are we setting if an 8-10 team from the Big XII or Pac-12 gets in over an ACC team?

I don't want to go all "SEC SEC SEC" on this discussion, but it's blatantly obvious that the ACC is the top conference in basketball in terms of quality and quantity. It's really not close by any stretch. So why are we rewarding teams that go below .500 in lesser conferences? Arizona State finished 9th in a 12 team division, and a pretty awful one at that. The Big XII is a solid conference, but still doesn't possess the same level of depth that the ACC possesses. As evidence, the Big XII has 5 teams that finished with 20 or more victories this season. The ACC had ELEVEN. ND's resume is, by default, better in conference than any team from any other conference. You're gonna have to sport a number of signature wins. Most of the teams we're up against on the bubble do not. Not enough at least.

The argument is, our lack of Ws over decent teams, compared to those other teams who have impressive or good records over 1-25 and 1-50 teams. OK is a great example. Not a great example however on the "how are you playing lately" eye test though.

To add on that there’s been a bunch of top 25 teams that have lost to terrible teams. I feel like no one remembers that UNC lost at home to woffard. WVU got destroyed by Iowa st who is worse then IU. Duke and nova lost to St. John’s. Arizona lost to SMU and Colorado.

I could go all day long but the point is every good team has lost a game or 2 to very lower ranked teams. I hate that the only reason ppl are arguing that we shouldn’t be in is because we had 2 bad losses early in the year.

Everyone has less than stellar losses. What hurts ND is the lack of stellar or good wins.

I just hope the committee looks at the 15 games w/o BC and says "OK, what would ND's record be with BC playing like he is today?". We would have likely beat GT... had a 1pt loss to NC, OT loss to the Ville, 5pt loss to VT without Farrell or Colson, 3pt loss to Miami. The other games were pretty ugly, but those 5 you could argue are wins. Even if you say 3 of those are wins, we're in without a lot of argument.

 

[loomis41973]

There doesn't have to be all that many. You have the following situations. Marshall/MTSU, SDSU/NV (and slight chance Boise), and Davidson currently on a run (with RI guaranteed a bid and St Bon knocking). That's two spots likely assuming NV is in (they are) and if MTSU gets the nod. Davidson could steal on as RI definitely would be in.

Every spot counts when you're sitting on the edge like ND.




Send those guys some Irish Whiskey and lock the door.



I wouldn't say it's a load of crap. But there are degrees.... Everyone has injuries, but not to a double double AA candidate for 15 games. A team even with that injury still had a similar record to teams that are getting in from inferior conferences.



The argument is, our lack of Ws over decent teams, compared to those other teams who have impressive or good records over 1-25 and 1-50 teams. OK is a great example. Not a great example however on the "how are you playing lately" eye test though.



Everyone has less than stellar losses. What hurts ND is the lack of stellar or good wins.

I just hope the committee looks at the 15 games w/o BC and says "OK, what would ND's record be with BC playing like he is today?". We would have likely beat GT... had a 1pt loss to NC, OT loss to the Ville, 5pt loss to VT without Farrell or Colson, 3pt loss to Miami. The other games were pretty ugly, but those 5 you could argue are wins. Even if you say 3 of those are wins, we're in without a lot of argument.

Or they could look at the losses to BSU and IU with BC in the lineup.

 

[Irish YJ]

Or they could look at the losses to BSU and IU with BC in the lineup.

I agree but one could say IU is an in-state rivalry which lessens the blow to an extent. Also, IU under a first year coach was competitive (not winners) vs Duke, MSU, PU, OSU, and LOU. Not horrible and a lot of grace could be given for that loss. Ball State, was bad, but BSU was pretty solid all year until shitting the bed the last 4 or 5 games.

 

[Irish YJ]

ND fell to a 3 seed yesterday in the NIT. Back up to a 2 seed today. Guessing it's because of bid stealing wins.

Sunday...