2017-2018 Notre Dame Men's Basketball

[NDGOLDEN]

Whats the percentage at now for making the dance?

Probably 50/50

 

[Irish YJ]

MidTN down right now. Bid stealer alert

 

[Irish YJ]

Probably 50/50

I just poured a cocktail and updating the latest bubble teams...
ugh.

 

[Circa]

It shouldn't change. If the committee watched the game. It should go up. Officiating should be arrestable at times

 

[Irish YJ]

It shouldn't change. If the committee watched the game. It should go up. Officiating should be arrestable at times

I agree.. but 18pts.... officiating didn't contribute 18. Maybe 9-10 lol

 

[NDGOLDEN]

I agree.. but 18pts.... officiating didn't contribute 18. Maybe 9-10 lol

We were also playing in our third straight game against a t am that hasn’t played in almost a week. It was bound to happen that we were gonna run out of gas. And the way they were hitting shots no way we could have won.
They also got some really lucky bounces

 

[Crazy Balki]

Sorry, but that game was closer than the final score showed.

What that game showed was one team was fully rested while the other was playing it's third game in the same number of days.

 

[NDGOLDEN]

Sorry, but that game was closer than the final score showed.

What that game showed was one team was fully rested while the other was playing it's third game in the same number of days.

Exactly why I really hope the committee doesn’t judge us on that last half. We had no energy left you could tell

 

[loomis41973]

Welcome to the NIT.

 

[NDGOLDEN]

Welcome to the NIT.

Serious question: Would you rather win the NIT or win only one game in the tourney?

 

[fightingirish26]

Serious question: Would you rather win the NIT or win only one game in the tourney?

Win the NIT, would be a really fun way to end this up and down season. Would be a nice way send off Colson and Farrell, who have already had lots of tournament success.

 

[Henges24]

I'd rather lose the 1st game in the tourney than win the NIT

Unless it's the play-in game.

 

[loomis41973]

NIT would be my choice.

Would choose staying home but I don't think we can if invited.

 

[Irish YJ]

ESPN's bubble from Last 4 byes to Next 4 out.
Bracketville's rank in () from +8 to -8.

In +8 to +1
Providence (+8) - 4pt win over Creighton
USC (-3) - up by 10+ over OR St
Baylor (+3) - Starting soon
Texas (>+8) - Close/4pt loss to TTU
OK (+5) - Lost previously
UCLA (+6) - 11pt win over Stanford
Bama (-5) - 1pt win over TAMU
Louisville (+2) - Bad/17pt loss to 1UVA
NR/IN St Mary's (+7) - Lost previously

Out -1 to -8
OK St (+1) - Bad/14pt loss to 9KS
ND (-4) - Bad/18pt loss to 5Duke
AZ St (-1) - Lost previously
Marquette (+4) - Bad/24pt loss to 2Nova
Syracuse (-2) - Lost previously
Penn St (-6) - Lost previously
Boise St (NR) - playing now - up by 8
Nebraska (-8) - lost previously
NR/OUT LSU (-6) - Close/3pt loss to MissSt


Potential bid steals
MidTN

 

[NDGOLDEN]

NIT would be my choice.

Would choose staying home but I don't think we can if invited.

You don’t have to accept the NIT invitation. The 2013-2014 season when we had a losing record we got invited and brey didn’t want to play in it.

I honestly don’t know what I would rather have. I’m torn
I would really like to see them in the tourney tho and see them get an upset cause that would be cool

 

[Irish YJ]

We were also playing in our third straight game against a t am that hasn’t played in almost a week. It was bound to happen that we were gonna run out of gas. And the way they were hitting shots no way we could have won.
They also got some really lucky bounces

Was speaking to the refs impact.

 

[NDGOLDEN]

Was speaking to the refs impact.

Oh miss read it. Your saying the refs gave them 9-10 pts. Gotcha and ya that was definitely true

 

[NDGOLDEN]

Hopefully we can still make it but to argue a little bit for our case 7 of the 10 losses in conference play we lost by single digits 5 of which we lost by less then 5

 

[loomis41973]

You don’t have to accept the NIT invitation. The 2013-2014 season when we had a losing record we got invited and brey didn’t want to play in it.

I honestly don’t know what I would rather have. I’m torn
I would really like to see them in the tourney tho and see them get an upset cause that would be cool

The NCAA, which oversees the NIT, distributes contracts to potential NIT entrants starting in late January.
Automatically voided if any such team manages to secure an NCAA tournament bid, the contract binds the program to accepting an NIT bid if offered, according to David Worlock, NCAA director of media coordination/statistics.
Worlock said teams may decline to sign the contract and still participate in the NIT should they later signal their interest, and that the contract is designed, in part, to ensure teams who sign it don’t decline NIT participation in favor of another non-NCAA postseason tournament. But signing the contract obliges participation, if selected.

 

[Irish YJ]

Oh miss read it. Your saying the refs gave them 9-10 pts. Gotcha and ya that was definitely true

Looking at the bubble outcome I just posted, I'd say our narrative is:

1. We were without Bonzie for 15 games. He's back and we're competitive.
2. We played 3 games in 3 days, and ran out of gas vs Duke
3. We're lacking Quad 1 wins, but were minus Bonzie during the opportunity for most of those wins.
4. We've had some bad losses even with Bonzie. But so did others...

We are the epitome of a bubble team right now. We're going to have to hope the committee looks long and hard and gives us grace for injuries and assume a lot of things. Also we're gong to need them to prioritize how teams currently are trending (like OK).

Are we one of the best 68 teams with Bonzie back, absolutely. Is our body of work enough given the injuries, IDK. Is it fair to penalize other teams with a slightly better body of work over their current trend or because they stayed healthier, IDK.

Sunday Sunday Sunday!!

 

[NDGOLDEN]

The NCAA, which oversees the NIT, distributes contracts to potential NIT entrants starting in late January.
Automatically voided if any such team manages to secure an NCAA tournament bid, the contract binds the program to accepting an NIT bid if offered, according to David Worlock, NCAA director of media coordination/statistics.
Worlock said teams may decline to sign the contract and still participate in the NIT should they later signal their interest, and that the contract is designed, in part, to ensure teams who sign it don’t decline NIT participation in favor of another non-NCAA postseason tournament. But signing the contract obliges participation, if selected.

So you can decline the invitation. Obviously brey would accept it this year

 

[NDGOLDEN]

Looking at the bubble outcome I just posted, I'd say our narrative is:

1. We were without Bonzie for 15 games. He's back and we're competitive.
2. We played 3 games in 3 days, and ran out of gas vs Duke
3. We're lacking Quad 1 wins, but were minus Bonzie during the opportunity for most of those wins.
4. We've had some bad losses even with Bonzie. But so did others...

We are the epitome of a bubble team right now. We're going to have to hope the committee looks long and hard and gives us grace for injuries and assume a lot of things. Also we're gong to need them to prioritize how teams currently are trending (like OK).

Are we one of the best 68 teams with Bonzie back, absolutely. Is our body of work enough given the injuries, IDK. Is it fair to penalize other teams with a slightly better body of work over their current trend or because they stayed healthier, IDK.

Sunday Sunday Sunday!!

This might be the hardest year the committee has ever had. We are probably the most curious case possibly ever. With the injuries, a couple bad losses then bonzie coming back and now we look like we did when we won the Maui tournament.

I’m so scared that the ball st and IU losses are gonna haunt us come Sunday. I wish they wouldn’t since there was a bunch of top 25 teams that lost to bad teams at home.

IDK if I’m gonna be able to sleep the next couple nights

 

[loomis41973]

So you can decline the invitation. Obviously brey would accept it this year

??

 

[Irish YJ]

This might be the hardest year the committee has ever had. We are probably the most curious case possibly ever. With the injuries, a couple bad losses then bonzie coming back and now we look like we did when we won the Maui tournament.

I’m so scared that the ball st and IU losses are gonna haunt us come Sunday. I wish they wouldn’t since there was a bunch of top 25 teams that lost to bad teams at home.

IDK if I’m gonna be able to sleep the next couple nights

BSU and IU were in-state games. Not the best losses, but not totally horrible. BSU didn't shit the bed until the last 4 games. The loss to BS was early, and was likely BS's biggest "up" game of the year. IU loss was early too and a rivalry game in the CR Classic. IU is not horrible either. As an IU fan I'm a little bias, but IU is better than their overall record, and they are a decent "name". Morgan had 30+ pts... They came close to upending a few top 25 teams. Just so happened ND was their best top 25 win (at the time).

 

[ab2cmiller]

I just fear that the Committee will refuse to open "Pandora's box" of trying to decide what injuries and how many games missed by injury is worthy of overriding the data.

They do it for Notre Dame this year with Bonzie missing 15 games, they will be face a gauntlet of future situations where some teams star missed 12 games or 10 games. I fear they will take the easy way out.

 

[Irish YJ]

I just fear that the Committee will refuse to open "Pandora's box" of trying to decide what injuries and how many games missed by injury is worthy of overriding the data.

They do it for Notre Dame this year with Bonzie missing 15 games, they will be face a gauntlet of future situations where some teams star missed 12 games or 10 games. I fear they will take the easy way out.

In or Not,,, I don't think the committee cares. They've let more sub 500 conf teams in lately, more sub 20 win teams in lately,,, etc.. To our advantage, Bonzie talk has been big the last couple of weeks. He had close to a double double again, so he made his case after being exhausted. Too bad Farrell looked like 50 cent hoe on payday.

 

[Irish YJ]

USC up 13 with 4 min to go
Boise St in a close one with 4min to go
WV up 4 early in second over Baylor

 

[Irish YJ]

Baylor lost by 13
Boise lost by 3
USC won by 13

 

[Irish YJ]

ESPN's bubble from Last 4 byes to Next 4 out.
Bracketville's rank in () from +8 to -8.

In +8 to +1
Providence (+8) - 4pt win over Creighton
USC (-3) - won by 13
Baylor (+3) - lost by 13
Texas (>+8) - Close/4pt loss to TTU
OK (+5) - Lost previously
UCLA (+6) - 11pt win over Stanford
Bama (-5) - 1pt win over TAMU
Louisville (+2) - Bad/17pt loss to 1UVA
NR/IN St Mary's (+7) - Lost previously

Out -1 to -8
OK St (+1) - Bad/14pt loss to 9KS
ND (-4) - Bad/18pt loss to 5Duke
AZ St (-1) - Lost previously
Marquette (+4) - Bad/24pt loss to 2Nova
Syracuse (-2) - Lost previously
Penn St (-6) - Lost previously
Boise St (NR) - lost by 3
Nebraska (-8) - lost previously
NR/OUT LSU (-6) - Close/3pt loss to MissSt


Potential bid steals
MidTN

Updated.. Utah up 5 over Oregon
Hitting the pillow

 

[Irish YJ]

from ESPN

That was an impressive late-season run by Bonzie Colson and Notre Dame, but it appears it won't be enough to earn an at-large bid. Even after beating Virginia Tech on Wednesday, the Fighting Irish are on the outside looking in at the field of 68.

Then again, maybe the committee will make a special exemption for a team that was missing a potential national player of the year for the balance of the conference season. It appears it will indeed be necessary. Teams as varied as Alabama, Providence and UCLA were simultaneously improving their respective positions, and spots in the field are limited. This profile would usually fall short, but we'll have to see if the committee recognizes a Bonzie Factor.

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