2012

[kmoose]

I dont really want to hear about Gholson. Never been a big fan of this time of QB..they're quick no doubt..but can never truly throw the ball. Best case is a one in a million denard robinson...but he's not real qb either (pygmie/no accuracy), and won't last next season without major injury.

I assume you meant this type of QB, not time of QB.

I'm not a big fan of them, in terms of their NFL potential. But, this type of QB can, and does, succeed in the college game. Michael Vick, Akili Smith, Charlie Ward, Eric Crouch, and even our own Tony Rice. All of these guys had great college careers. They can, and do succeed in the college game. If you're looking for the next Joe Montana to come out of ND, then I can understand your trepidation. But, if you are looking for ND to get back to being dominant, then Golson just might be at that helm.

 

[GreatGolson]

I dont really want to hear about Gholson. Never been a big fan of this time of QB..they're quick no doubt..but can never truly throw the ball. Best case is a one in a million denard robinson...but he's not real qb either (pygmie/no accuracy), and won't last next season without major injury.

1. Spell his name right if you are going to criticize him.
2. If you watch Golson's film you will see he passes very well
3. His accuracy is very good
4. He is not DR. if Kelly makes him a priority, he can be better.

Bottom line, theres a reason your getting so many negative reps, we are not the kind of people who take kindly to strangers calling out our QBs and recruits with nothing more than opinions. This may not be the forum for you.

 

[GreatGolson]

That's fine, but that's like 8 posts in a row where you're doing nothing but talking about Golson, whether it is about him or not. You're even doing it on recruits' threads. Are you going to start hijacking all threads just to play your little game of overhyping Golson? Because it's already starting to get old bro. Just sayin'...

sorry, just having a little fun. Im done with my hype machine and hijacking other threads. But im gunna keep the name and pic for now (mostly cuz im too lazy to change it back)

 

[tommyIRISH23]

1. Spell his name right if you are going to criticize him.
2. If you watch Golson's film you will see he passes very well
3. His accuracy is very good
4. He is not DR. if Kelly makes him a priority, he can be better.

Bottom line, theres a reason your getting so many negative reps, we are not the kind of people who take kindly to strangers calling out our QBs and recruits with nothing more than opinions. This may not be the forum for you.

So, on this forum, we can only share opinions if they are positive? And, it's wrong to have a negative opinion? Hm.

 

[Irish Man3]

Things that were done differently with Crist and Rees

Crist got chewed out constantly while Rees was babied

Kelly started running the ball A WHOLE LOT more with Rees instead of just flinging it with Crist

Rees was never asked to run.

Despite all those Crist still put up better numbers than Rees and it was not close. Rees is a good QB and i am very happy that he is on the team but stop talking as if there is no future with Crist

I agree. I think BK stayed on Crist so hard because he can see what Crist can be. I also think he babied Rees a little bit more because he is a freshman, and he really had no options beyond Rees. I like Tommy Rees and I think he has done a fine job closing out the season but in my opinion, he is not the qb of the future for ND. In my ideal situation, Crist, Rees, and Hendrix will compete for the position this year giving Golson a year to catch up and get stronger.
I think all of our qbs bring something different to the table and I dont understand why some people on here say "Theres no way Rees starts next year" or "Crist is done as the qb of our team." I dont understand why Dayne catches so much hell from some ND fans. This was his first year starting and he put up better numbers than Jimmy and Quinn. Without him in the Michigan game, we lose by two touchdowns or more.
We just need to be patient as fans and let BK do his thing. He knows quarterbacks fairly well and I trust that he will make the right decision.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I agree. I think BK stayed on Crist so hard because he can see what Crist can be. I also think he babied Rees a little bit more because he is a freshman, and he really had no options beyond Rees. I like Tommy Rees and I think he has done a fine job closing out the season but in my opinion, he is not the qb of the future for ND. In my ideal situation, Crist, Rees, and Hendrix will compete for the position this year giving Golson a year to catch up and get stronger.
I think all of our qbs bring something different to the table and I dont understand why some people on here say "Theres no way Rees starts next year" or "Crist is done as the qb of our team." I dont understand why Dayne catches so much hell from some ND fans. This was his first year starting and he put up better numbers than Jimmy and Quinn. Without him in the Michigan game, we lose by two touchdowns or more.
We just need to be patient as fans and let BK do his thing. He knows quarterbacks fairly well and I trust that he will make the right decision.

He catches a lot of hell not because of his abilities, but because of his injuries. I don't think Dayne did enough to separate himself from the pack, and I think him having to sit out spring, is going to hurt his chances. I think Rees/Hendrix will know the offense, understand the temp, and would have gelled with the offense way ahead of Dayne. Dayne is going to be behind, rusty, and tentative. It'd be a amazing story if he came back competed, and won. I just see it being unlikely

 

[tankjeep]

vick? come on dude! he's a freak, so is newton,

J.C. Has "it" according to you, but you said he had to work to that point, and you wont let dayne work himself to that point? same with v. young, and pryor, all of them were average at best their first years starting and their second and third year starting is when they really produced.

you asked for examples, i gave them to you.

also, jimmy started as a true freshman, crist was a junior. big difference.

 

[Irish Man3]

He catches a lot of hell not because of his abilities, but because of his injuries. I don't think Dayne did enough to separate himself from the pack, and I think him having to sit out spring, is going to hurt his chances. I think Rees/Hendrix will know the offense, understand the temp, and would have gelled with the offense way ahead of Dayne. Dayne is going to be behind, rusty, and tentative. It'd be a amazing story if he came back competed, and won. I just see it being unlikely

He was catching hell in numerous gameday threads and other threads long before he got injured this season. I understand he got hurt last year but you can't jump all over an athlete because of a serious knee injury. People were questioning his skill set and abilities all year before he got hurt so I will have to respectfully disagree with you. People were calling for Hendrix long before Crist got hurt and nobody has even seen Hendrix play in a college game.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

He was catching hell in numerous gameday threads and other threads long before he got injured this season. I understand he got hurt last year but you can't jump all over an athlete because of a serious knee injury. People were questioning his skill set and abilities all year before he got hurt so I will have to respectfully disagree with you. People were calling for Hendrix long before Crist got hurt and nobody has even seen Hendrix play in a college game.

Well yeah, I can only speak for myself. I was unhappy with some of Dayne's play. I didn't call for him to get benched, though. Dayne has all the physical tools, it remains to be seen if he can grasp the offense to a point that he's confident and comfortable.

 

[tankjeep]

Well yeah, I can only speak for myself. I was unhappy with some of Dayne's play. I didn't call for him to get benched, though. Dayne has all the physical tools, it remains to be seen if he can grasp the offense to a point that he's confident and comfortable.

something i agree with, but like you said.....we shall see if that pans out. i like crist and hope he recovers and hope he proves me wrong.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

something i agree with, but like you said.....we shall see if that pans out. i like crist and hope he recovers and hope he proves me wrong.

I just don't see that happening if he misses spring

 

[mick2]

you asked for examples, i gave them to you.

also, jimmy started as a true freshman, crist was a junior. big difference.

ok, you do understand that crist was averaging 225 yds per game an 2 tds right?

thats more ypg than newton.

he is also accountable for almost half of the offensive points for this team.

can you give me a tangible argument? something other than "it" or your personal opinion?

 

[IrishLax]

The problem with Crist was his touch and throwing on the run. When he could sit in the pocket and throw a laser he was great. It just frustrated a lot of people how he couldn't make the "easy" throw. I really think he just needs more time and more reps... he got better every game except for Navy. Sadly, injuries have now robbed him of about a full seasons worth of practice time.

 

[mick2]

The problem with Crist was his touch and throwing on the run. When he could sit in the pocket and throw a laser he was great. It just frustrated a lot of people how he couldn't make the "easy" throw. I really think he just needs more time and more reps... he got better every game except for Navy. Sadly, injuries have now robbed him of about a full seasons worth of practice time.

i'll agree with this, crist's accuracy and completion pct. aren't stellar, but if you look close, save the michigan game(where he was out half the game and big throws were needed to get back in it).

the only times he was under 60% completion were times where he had to throw the ball more than 40 times.

so i think we are all judging crist prematurely but i would say his upside; considering he is healthy, is very high. much higher than rees's; and the rest of the argument is null because the rest of the candidates have not played and/or have not even stepped on campus yet.

 

[tankjeep]

ok, you do understand that crist was averaging 225 yds per game an 2 tds right?

thats more ypg than newton.

he is also accountable for almost half of the offensive points for this team.

can you give me a tangible argument? something other than "it" or your personal opinion?

as stated above me, he didn't have the touch in the red zone when needed in a close game. and the fact that he didn't look comfortable as the season progressed.

btw, rees is averaging 206.5 yards & 2 td's a game.

 

[mick2]

as stated above me, he didn't have the touch in the red zone when needed in a close game. and the fact that he didn't look comfortable as the season progressed.

btw, rees is averaging 206.5 yards & 2 td's a game.

so does rees have "it" then?

are you telling me that rees looked like joe cool back there in the pocket?

come on dude, for some reason you have a grudge against crist.

Crist made some throws that had everyone scratching their heads, but so did rees. you can find flaws in almost anyones game. but are you really thinking that rees or a player who hasnt stepped on the field yet will fare any better?

seriously??

 

[tankjeep]

so does rees have "it" then?

are you telling me that rees looked like joe cool back there in the pocket?

come on dude, for some reason you have a grudge against crist.

Crist made some throws that had everyone scratching their heads, but so did rees. you can find flaws in almost anyones game. but are you really thinking that rees or a player who hasnt stepped on the field yet will fare any better?

seriously??

nope, never said rees had "it", nor did i say he's the future of our team. i just don't think crist is the future (although i've said it before, i hope he can prove me wrong). and no i don't have a grudge against crist.

and yes, to me rees did look alot calmer in the pocket that crist did.

i think crist is behind the eight ball becuz of injuries (rushing back from injuries can be bad as well), changing systems and players that will have more reps. but at the same time, based on what i've seen on the field, i don't see the hype behind crist. that's all i'm saying. but i hope i'm wrong.

sorry if what i'm saying is coming across as crist bashing. i like the kid and hope the best for him. i just don't agree with all the hype behind him.

 

[ChiefSecond]

i think ghoulson will have "it" when he's lining up at WR or preferably if he can be converted to DB cause we're real thin right there.

 

[mick2]

nope, never said rees had "it", nor did i say he's the future of our team. i just don't think crist is the future (although i've said it before, i hope he can prove me wrong). and no i don't have a grudge against crist.

and yes, to me rees did look alot calmer in the pocket that crist did.

i think crist is behind the eight ball becuz of injuries (rushing back from injuries can be bad as well), changing systems and players that will have more reps. but at the same time, based on what i've seen on the field, i don't see the hype behind crist. that's all i'm saying. but i hope i'm wrong.

sorry if what i'm saying is coming across as crist bashing. i like the kid and hope the best for him. i just don't agree with all the hype behind him.

i dont know what more the kid could have done in his first year as a starter.

i hope you are wrong about crist because with out him we could be in trouble next year.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

i dont know what more the kid could have done in his first year as a starter.

i hope you are wrong about crist because with out him we could be in trouble next year.

What did he actually do that would make him the best option to start next year? He's going to have to improve tremendously while trying to fully recover from a serious knee injury. I hope I am wrong, and he come's back with a chip on his shoulder with a full understanding of the offense.

I don't think he is terrible, and if it were him starting I wouldn't be upset. But to say we are in "trouble" without him is a little ridiculous. What about Hendrix? He's got the physical tools, and if he can learn the offense between now and fall camp, why couldn't he be better then Dayne?

We're comfortable with Dayne because we have seen what he can do. But what if Hendrix can do better. He'll be working in the system getting reps more often then Crist.

I just don't see what Dayne has done for some of you to anoint him the starter. If he finished out the year and practiced in the spring then yeah, I'd be optimistic he could work on his game and be pretty good. But, he doesn't have the time to get the reps in, and get comfortable with the system because he'll be rehabbing. He's going to be so far behind the 8 ball.

 

[mick2]

What did he actually do that would make him the best option to start next year? He's going to have to improve tremendously while trying to fully recover from a serious knee injury. I hope I am wrong, and he come's back with a chip on his shoulder with a full understanding of the offense.

I don't think he is terrible, and if it were him starting I wouldn't be upset. But to say we are in "trouble" without him is a little ridiculous. What about Hendrix? He's got the physical tools, and if he can learn the offense between now and fall camp, why couldn't he be better then Dayne?

We're comfortable with Dayne because we have seen what he can do. But what if Hendrix can do better. He'll be working in the system getting reps more often then Crist.

I just don't see what Dayne has done for some of you to anoint him the starter. If he finished out the year and practiced in the spring then yeah, I'd be optimistic he could work on his game and be pretty good. But, he doesn't have the time to get the reps in, and get comfortable with the system because he'll be rehabbing. He's going to be so far behind the 8 ball.

he's won 4 games and played well in 4 others.

he had a clunker against navy but so did the whole team.

i said we "could" be in trouble not we "are" in trouble.

hendrix could be the next montana for all i know. i just know from watching football that first year starters don't fare well often no matter how talented.

so go ahead with your first year starter, i'll take a guy with 9 games under his belt as a starter for the most prestigious university in the world.

 

[mick2]

how about this for pocket presence

how about this for pocket presence

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[lookingdeadred]

Golson at WR or DB?

Golson at WR or DB?

not happening, he's a dual threat QB BK wants

i think ghoulson will have "it" when he's lining up at WR or preferably if he can be converted to DB cause we're real thin right there.

 

[lookingdeadred]

Crist & Hendrix

Crist & Hendrix

You imply some are more comfortable with Crist because he is a known quantity. That's fair. But there are others who seem to prefer Hendrix because of what he might be. The beauty of that position is because Hendrix is an unknown quantity, people can speculate how great he will be. He is a blank slate onto which some seem prepared to heap all of their fantasies.

We're comfortable with Dayne because we have seen what he can do. But what if Hendrix can do better. He'll be working in the system getting reps more often then Crist.

 

[lookingdeadred]

The next Montana???

The next Montana???

Joe? Or Nate?

hendrix could be the next montana for all i know.

 

[NDinL.A.]

i think ghoulson will have "it" when he's lining up at WR or preferably if he can be converted to DB cause we're real thin right there.

Me smells a troll.

 

[mick2]

Joe? Or Nate?

could be either!