2012 Personel Groups

Irishman77

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With Spring ball here I wanted to see if anyone was as sick as me drawing up formations with different personnel groups. With Daniels,Eifert, Koyack,Theo,Carlisle,Wood,GAII, Niklas,T.J.,Neal, etc I feel we can really create some pressure on opposing secondaries. What are some personnel groupings you would like to see this year?

Here is an interesting red zone package I came up with: Trips formation with Eifert, Koyack, and Niklas!!! What do a couple of 5'10 db's do with this? Imagine our rb running behind this wall? How open would Daniels or Neal be on the opposite side?

Anyway, would love to hear some others from you die-hard fans.
 

JughedJones

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that does sound like a serious problem for secondaries.

Line up DD on the other side as opposed to Neal? That's a hell of a lot of height to deal with.

Run it from the Pistol with Golson/Hendrix and Cierre? Oh dear.
 

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I just wonder how much they will use Niklas in passing situations. I like the move to TE, but I do not like what I am hearing from the coaches about the move. It seems that Niklas was moved to be a blocker instead of a receiver. I am sorry, but Notre Dame TE's are known to be dual threats, they need to give Niklas plenty of shots at becoming a Gronk-like player. Blocking only is a waste of time, just put another OLman in there if you are going to do that.
 

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I just wonder how much they will use Niklas in passing situations. I like the move to TE, but I do not like what I am hearing from the coaches about the move. It seems that Niklas was moved to be a blocker instead of a receiver. I am sorry, but Notre Dame TE's are known to be dual threats, they need to give Niklas plenty of shots at becoming a Gronk-like player. Blocking only is a waste of time, just put another OLman in there if you are going to do that.

I can't imagine they wouldn't at least have him run enough routes to threaten it. Having 3 tight ends out there, not knowing what they're going to do is flat out dangerous.
 

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I just wonder how much they will use Niklas in passing situations. I like the move to TE, but I do not like what I am hearing from the coaches about the move. It seems that Niklas was moved to be a blocker instead of a receiver. I am sorry, but Notre Dame TE's are known to be dual threats, they need to give Niklas plenty of shots at becoming a Gronk-like player. Blocking only is a waste of time, just put another OLman in there if you are going to do that.

He's been a TE for...ONE DAY. Give him, the team, and coaches a little bit of time before we start gigging them all for his role (or lack thereof) on the team.
 

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"Here is an interesting red zone package I came up with: Trips formation with Eifert, Koyack, and Niklas!!! What do a couple of 5'10 db's do with this? Imagine our rb running behind this wall? How open would Daniels or Neal be on the opposite side?"


I was just reading about three tight-end formations yesterday in this article:

Three Tight End Offensive Formation magic 3

they call it a "magic 3" formation because coaches see how deadly it would be to use the formation, yet they rarely have the people to do it. Article also suggests that such formations and a focus on tight ends might be the next evolution of football.

I haven't played a down of football and don't know what to think of that. But do you think Kelly (i) CAN and/or (ii) WANTS to develop his offense to run such a magical play?
 

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Aka u want Stanford's red zone offense with

Ertz ~ Koyack
Fleener ~ Eifert
Toilolo ~ Niklas
 

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Run it from the Pistol with Golson/Hendrix and Cierre?.

I agree 1,000%..... We need to install some pistol packages... The advantages of running out of the pistol creates better opportunities for our running backs to get vertical as with the spread your backs are running more lateral.... plus when you are standing in the gun it is more predictable where the running back is going by what side of the Qb he is standing on and also his depth in reference to the Qb. With the pistol is becomes a complete guessing game left-right-counter-iso-dive-power-sweep-toss leaves defenses guessing.... In my opinion you get better play action out of the pistol compared to spread...

Theres a reason Saban sent his coaching staff out to Nevada to study Ault's pistol.... worked pretty well in 09'

FYI: im not saying a complete install but a small package 3 runs 3 passes (play action) give a extra wrinkle....

I think we will continue to see our average spread personnel 4 and five WR's 2x2-3x1-3x2 and of coarse "12" personnel with 2 TE's.... and possibility of 3 TE's i would imagine lining up in ACE or GUN in "12" personnel with Eifert out wide...
 
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Since we're playing crazy games:

I'd be curious to see a slightly different experiment involving an unbalanced line.

1). to the wide side of the field, WAY wide, would be your best receiving threat [imagine the terror of Mike Floyd going out there --- maybe Davaris could approximate]. Since the defense doesn't want to abandon their corner to this threat, the wideside safety has to cheat over a bit, and definitely NOT come towards the line of scrimmage.

2). the line of scrimmage looks like this [this is not our normal line-up so it's a little bit of a shocker when Zach Martin goes across the line to give a double tackle on the right side [I'm pretending for the moment that Davaris is wide left]. The line looks like Eifert+ Watt+ Cave+ Lombard+ NMartin+ ZMartin+ Koyack unbalanced right.

3). just off Koyack's butt as the strong side flanker is Niklas in a power blocking threat. Taking the snap from the spread is Golson/Hendrix/Kiel [doesn't matter who but the first two would really terrorize the DC of the opponents ], with Cierre Wood or Amir Carlisle or Will Mahone beside him.

This formation has so much power to the right that the defense has to load right against the run [especially given the liklihood that Zach Martin, Koyack, and Niklas are going to destroy some people over there. This further weakens the leftside help defense. On that side the defense has to decide how much help they can give on Eifert. They are probably not suddenly going to try to rotate their remaining corner over there, and seriously doubt that they will be able to cover with just the remaining safety [once Davaris flies and the safety over there has to help cover wide.] They must decide whether to chip Eifert with the linebacker, or not and let him run free in the middle of the field. If they chip, Eifert just welcomes the intimacy and blocks his brains out, driving him inside. Our QB reads that and walks for ten to twenty yards into their left side. If they don't chip, then Eifert finds space and we kill their undermanned safety. If they've abandoned the corner to keep both safeties in, we bomb them and Davaris scores. If they don't radically bend over towards our power, we smash them up with the RB behind our athletic monsters. If they're totally loaded there, we slip Koyack or Niklas out for a lost-in-space score.

Well, that's how I see it anyway.

We could use the same formation with a little less drama and more thugness runs or jumpball overmatches on the goal line [although Jonas would have been great for that --- maybe Big Will can do that, or Amir can jump over the pile].
 

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"Here is an interesting red zone package I came up with: Trips formation with Eifert, Koyack, and Niklas!!! What do a couple of 5'10 db's do with this? Imagine our rb running behind this wall? How open would Daniels or Neal be on the opposite side?"


I was just reading about three tight-end formations yesterday in this article:

Three Tight End Offensive Formation magic 3

they call it a "magic 3" formation because coaches see how deadly it would be to use the formation, yet they rarely have the people to do it. Article also suggests that such formations and a focus on tight ends might be the next evolution of football.

I haven't played a down of football and don't know what to think of that. But do you think Kelly (i) CAN and/or (ii) WANTS to develop his offense to run such a magical play?



That's awesome, great find.

Could be exactly what's going on here. Throw that craziness in 9 or 10 times a game with Neal/Cierre in the back field and possible speed at the QB position....how the hell can you defend it?
 
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