'24 MI QB CJ Carr (Notre Dame Signee)

ozzman · Oct 19, 2026

That first one is nightmare fuel. Need to make that throw. The second one was there for the taking and the third one looks more on the TE

2013Irish · Oct 19, 2026

calvegas04 said:
FML... open your eyes Carr

Gilbert's open, but I feel like he kind of had to roll out with the way the play developed. Maybe that's a protection that he checked into...? That's the bigger issue, from my perspective.

allenm5333 · Oct 19, 2026

calvegas04 said:
FML... open your eyes Carr

Such a terrible call. Sprint out with only 2 legit threats? And I would argue Faison isn't even an option because the route was short of the endzone. Inexcusable call

Dale · Oct 19, 2026

2013Irish said:
Gilbert's open, but I feel like he kind of had to roll out with the way the play developed. Maybe that's a protection that he checked into...? That's the bigger issue, from my perspective.

They show 7. We have 6, roll right makes the one guy negligible so 7/7 are accounted for up. Problem is becomes a half field read. This is an issue CJ has developed, he prioritizes 100% protection over full field read. Anytime he checks a play, it’s often turning the play into a half field read.

allenm5333 · Oct 19, 2026

ozzman said:
That first one is nightmare fuel. Need to make that throw. The second one was there for the taking and the third one looks more on the TE

First throw- This is when it is so open, it is hard. I wonder what his progression was and if Faison adjusted the route based on the coverage.
Second throw- Gotta give the TE a chance
Third throw- ehh not gonna hold this against him.

pumpdog20 · Oct 19, 2026

Dale said:
They show 7. We have 6, roll right makes the one guy negligible so 7/7 are accounted for up. Problem is becomes a half field read. This is an issue CJ has developed, he prioritizes 100% protection over full field read. Anytime he checks a play, it’s often turning the play into a half field read.

Seems like having Faison slant under that slot fade would have been money. To draw it up to have him do nothing seems like malpractice.

pumpdog20 · Oct 19, 2026

What's the consensus on pulling back some of CJs checks? Does he do too much, or let him continue cooking?

allenm5333 · Oct 19, 2026

pumpdog20 said:
Seems like having Faison slant under that slot fade would have been money. To draw it up to have him do nothing seems like malpractice.

It is a smash concept and that corner should be able to tackle him. Also, if Carr threw short on endzone and time ended, the mob would be out with pitchforks

InKellyWeTrust · Oct 19, 2026

pumpdog20 said:
What's the consensus on pulling back some of CJs checks? Does he do too much, or let him continue cooking?

Yes. He can't be an effective QB and try to outsmart the other team's defensive coordinator at the same time, at least not with just 18 career starts. They are asking him to be, or maybe hes asking them to let him be, prime Peyton Manning out there

pumpdog20 · Oct 19, 2026

allenm5333 said:
It is a smash concept and that corner should be able to tackle him. Also, if Carr threw short on endzone and time ended, the mob would be out with pitchforks

I can see your point. At the very least maybe it would have cleared that corner out an made room for back shoulder?

allenm5333 · Oct 19, 2026

pumpdog20 said:
I can see your point. At the very least maybe it would have cleared that corner out an made room for back shoulder?

If it was dropback, yes. Makes sense but sprintout means Carr would be rolling right and an in breaking route going left. That’s a no no. But whole play call was terrible

Jiggafini19Deux · Oct 19, 2026

pumpdog20 said:
What's the consensus on pulling back some of CJs checks? Does he do too much, or let him continue cooking?

I don't think you pull the plug now because they lost to BYU away by 4 points in a game they could have won. Tweaks and adjustments? Sure. Pulling back checks now because of one loss could spiral into bad juju mentally and culturally within the offense.

Let it cook. Keep getting better.

PutuporShutup · Oct 19, 2026

ozzman said:
That first one is nightmare fuel. Need to make that throw. The second one was there for the taking and the third one looks more on the TE

I actually disagree on the two TE throws. On those routes both the TE and QB have the back pylon as a reference point and the QB is supposed to drop it just in front of the back pylon. That gives the receiver/te and the qb the most room to make the play and both have a reference point they are running/throwing to.

on the first one to Larsen, it's a perfect throw but larsen cut up field more and he should have stayed wide running to the back pylon to give himself and the throw more space.

The one to FLanigan, flanigan runs to back pylon, but I think carr is a little late and see's safety coming so he errors to the outside more and flanigan can't adjust.

IMO, throw to Faison clearly on carr, throw to larsen on larsen, throw to flanigan on Carr. Either way, that's 15 points left out there on execution (because we kicked 2 fgs), at minimum you need to get 17 points on those 3 drives with those open plays, we got 6 points. Ball game.

Dale · Oct 19, 2026

I have zero issue with Carr checking things more than most QBs in the country. But he does it A) too much B) thinks he’s always smarter than the D

BYU not only knew he would check a lot, they baited him into it. So where CJ is taking pride in his ability to diagnose a blitz or coverage, they were actually showing him what they wanted to show to get the desired outcome. It’s high level from their defense too, but that’s why I said Carr has to feel a bit humbled, because maybe he hasn’t considered he was the mouse in the cat vs mouse much in his career.

We absolutely need his elite ability to get us out of bad situations. He avoids sacks, he avoid turnovers at an ungodly clip. But maybe at times we have to consider…..are we actually in a situation that’s need exiting?

2013Irish · Oct 19, 2026

PutuporShutup said:
I actually disagree on the two TE throws. On those routes both the TE and QB have the back pylon as a reference point and the QB is supposed to drop it just in front of the back pylon. That gives the receiver/te and the qb the most room to make the point and both have a reference point they are running/throwing to.

on the first one to Larsen, it's a perfect throw but larsen cut up field more and he should have stayed wide running to the back pylon to give himself and the throw more space.

The one to FLanigan, flanigan runs to back pylon, but I think carr is a little late and see's safety coming so he errors to the outside more and flanigan can't adjust.

IMO, throw to Faison clearly on carr, throw to larsen on larsen, throw to flanigan on Carr. Either way, that's 15 points left out there on execution (because we kicked 2 fgs), at minimum you need to get 17 points on those 3 drives with those open plays, we got 6 points. Ball game.

This is where I come down.

PutuporShutup · Oct 19, 2026

allenm5333 said:
If it was dropback, yes. Makes sense but sprintout means Carr would be rolling right and an in breaking route going left. That’s a no no. But whole play call was terrible

Agree but Faison at least needs to do a route that starts to the inside and then cuts back outside. This gets Faison's corner off greathouse. Who knows, maybe they rub too because it's a high stress play and greathouse becomes wide open, wouldn't that be something!! The corner playing faison was sitting at the goal line making the slot fade more difficult to throw it inside where you want to (Like UNC). Also, if faison does a fake inside and out to the front pylon that gives a worst case secondary option if say greathouse falls, or whatever. We literally with the game on the line ran a play that had only 1 option, and it was clear BYU knew what that option was. Talk about Denbrock, Carr, and Freeman not knowing the situation and running a play with a 30% success rate. It was 2 DBs (they had no help inside) on our best 2 WRs and that's what we draw up.

bkess8 · Oct 19, 2026

pumpdog20 said:
What's the consensus on pulling back some of CJs checks? Does he do too much, or let him continue cooking?

Can we give him a different play to check to rather than keep running the TE motion RB gut play for 2 yards?

Wild Bill · Oct 19, 2026

allenm5333 said:
Such a terrible call. Sprint out with only 2 legit threats? And I would argue Faison isn't even an option because the route was short of the endzone. Inexcusable call

Faison is definitely not a threat, but it looks like he could have stretched that play farther toward the sideline to buy Gilbert more time to cross the field. Hard to tell if he would have had enough time and he would have had to come across his body a bit but Gilbert would have been open.

allenm5333 · Oct 19, 2026

PutuporShutup said:
Agree but Faison at least needs to do a route that starts to the inside and then cuts back outside. This gets Faison's corner off greathouse. Who knows, maybe they rub too because it's a high stress play and greathouse becomes wide open, wouldn't that be something!! The corner playing faison was sitting at the goal line making the slot fade more difficult to throw it inside where you want to (Like UNC). Also, if faison does a fake inside and out to the front pylon that gives a worst case secondary option if say greathouse falls, or whatever. We literally with the game on the line ran a play that had only 1 option, and it was clear BYU knew what that option was. Talk about Denbrock, Carr, and Freeman not knowing the situation and running a play with a 30% success rate. It was 2 DBs (they had no help inside) on our best 2 WRs and that's what we draw up.

Wild Bill said:
Faison is definitely not a threat, but it looks like he could have stretched that play farther toward the sideline to buy Gilbert more time to cross the field. Hard to tell if he would have had enough time and he would have had to come across his body a bit but Gilbert would have been open.

Guys. We are in agreement here. What could have been done is Greathouse run more of a Corner route and Faison run a pivot/whip route. The thing is the whole play was awful given the situation

stlnd01 · Oct 19, 2026

Wild Bill said:
Faison is definitely not a threat, but it looks like he could have stretched that play farther toward the sideline to buy Gilbert more time to cross the field. Hard to tell if he would have had enough time and he would have had to come across his body a bit but Gilbert would have been open.

Yep if CJ can wait a beat, Gilbert's coming open with no defenders in the middle. But he's rolling right and the whole play seems rushed because he's so worried about pressure coming from his left. Which boxes him into a rushed throw to the least-open guy on the field.

ozzman · Oct 19, 2026

I mean, this certainly is a take. Are the receivers great? No, of course not, but his best game?

NDPhilly · Oct 19, 2026

I think he missed a few throws but generally didnt think he was as bad as people on here make it out to be. The 2 Tight End fades in the end zone get caught if both TEs dont slow down as they are running. B- / C+ grade from me.

Dale · Oct 19, 2026

My live reaction was he was overall good in 1Q, 2Q and 4Q with misses on money plays. The 3Q thought he struggled.

jprue24 · Oct 19, 2026

I'm impressed with his ability to avoid sacks.

Jiggafini19Deux · Oct 19, 2026

He attempted 49 passes against BYU. His previous high 32 last year against Pitt and TAMU.

His high this year was 29 against both Wisconsin and UNC.

That's insanity. I know they were behind by 11 at one point in the first half, but he threw 17 more passes than he's ever been asked on the road against a ranked team and the whole altitude bit.

Irish du Nord · Oct 19, 2026

Dale said:
My live reaction was he was overall good in 1Q, 2Q and 4Q with misses on money plays. The 3Q thought he struggled.

I would agree but some of the misses in the first half were on plays that he normally makes routinely, so grading on the Carr curve I'd say it was a mediocre performance.

One area that I am actually concerned about going forward is the line batting down his passes. That happened way too much and could result in turnovers if he doesn't remedy it.

ace125 · Oct 19, 2026

Carr has no zip on his throws.

Dale · Oct 19, 2026

ace125 said:
Carr has no zip on his throws.

Idk let’s hear more

MeanGreenBeans · Oct 19, 2026

Dale said:
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Idk let’s hear more

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Chino Cherokee · Oct 19, 2026

Here's my take on CJ:

Not a great game at all against BYU, but I'd still take him over any other quarterback in the country.

I'll stand by that!

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