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30% is wild, it'll probably be 80% in the next 20 years. I've never met any folks with young families here who go to Lutheran, Baptist churches or the likes, its all the generic stadium churches

Non-denominational have been on the rise for some time now. Lot of folks I talk to prefer this to all the hair splitting of the different denominations and prefer to just focus on the bible vs the differences that Baptists, Methodists, CoC, Pentecostal, Lutheran, etc get distracted by.
 

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Non-denominational have been on the rise for some time now. Lot of folks I talk to prefer this to all the hair splitting of the different denominations and prefer to just focus on the bible vs the differences that Baptists, Methodists, CoC, Pentecostal, Lutheran, etc get distracted by.
It's all protestant to me. The mega church seems to be big around these parts.
 

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hmmm ... serious charge. Worth looking into.

My research is shallow so maybe no good, but it found: all these main people (inc Rosen) are Democrats so the lumping of some perceived flaw in this instance as a broad Liberal smear seems off, but I need further info. The complaint came from some attorneys, so the judge was required to address it. The complaint was due to comments made by attorney Rosen while he was (recently) campaigning for office himself. During that campaign, he decided to play the anti-semitism card and specifically featured this very case as an example of it. This probably was an error on his part, as relates to this separate prosecution, (because he made this case about anti-semitism, even though that was not in the charge.) Since the case theoretically should be pursued on the facts of the actual grounds/actions committed and not cultural add-ons, the defense lawyers objected to his stated positions as coloring the emotions of the case before it even began. When confronted by Rosen's actual words, the judge decided that he should recuse himself due to self-stated public bias.

Again, my research is shallow, but the above is the coalescing of several government and news websites on this. Individual websites DO project their own biases, but this is the information that I got with the emotions stripped out. The bottomline is that Attorney Rosen was not denied because he was Jewish, but because he had made public comments about the case which were not directly contained in the actual charges, yet were very emotive to potential jurors. Being publicly "too close" to cases is actually fairly common grounds for recusal but this is more so if one is in the judging position than the prosecuting. The aura of objectivity nevertheless is preferred.
 

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hmmm ... serious charge. Worth looking into.

My research is shallow so maybe no good, but it found: all these main people (inc Rosen) are Democrats so the lumping of some perceived flaw in this instance as a broad Liberal smear seems off, but I need further info. The complaint came from some attorneys, so the judge was required to address it. The complaint was due to comments made by attorney Rosen while he was (recently) campaigning for office himself. During that campaign, he decided to play the anti-semitism card and specifically featured this very case as an example of it. This probably was an error on his part, as relates to this separate prosecution, (because he made this case about anti-semitism, even though that was not in the charge.) Since the case theoretically should be pursued on the facts of the actual grounds/actions committed and not cultural add-ons, the defense lawyers objected to his stated positions as coloring the emotions of the case before it even began. When confronted by Rosen's actual words, the judge decided that he should recuse himself due to self-stated public bias.

Again, my research is shallow, but the above is the coalescing of several government and news websites on this. Individual websites DO project their own biases, but this is the information that I got with the emotions stripped out. The bottomline is that Attorney Rosen was not denied because he was Jewish, but because he had made public comments about the case which were not directly contained in the actual charges, yet were very emotive to potential jurors. Being publicly "too close" to cases is actually fairly common grounds for recusal but this is more so if one is in the judging position than the prosecuting. The aura of objectivity nevertheless is preferred.
That’s just an absurd double standard that wouldn’t be applied to any other minority. *maybe* I would agree if it were being charged as a hate crime, but it’s not. What’s even more unconscionable is that Rosen’s *entire office* is recused.

Do you think that a black prosecutor who ran on fighting for civil rights and against police violence would be barred from prosecuting in a police shooting?

Hell, should Alvin Bragg and his office been recused from the cases against Trump since he campaigned on prosecuting him?
 

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That’s just an absurd double standard that wouldn’t be applied to any other minority. *maybe* I would agree if it were being charged as a hate crime, but it’s not. What’s even more unconscionable is that Rosen’s *entire office* is recused.

Do you think that a black prosecutor who ran on fighting for civil rights and against police violence would be barred from prosecuting in a police shooting?

Hell, should Alvin Bragg and his office been recused from the cases against Trump since he campaigned on prosecuting him?

Is it a hate crime or not?

lmao you guys don't give a fuck about any minority unless it's a white one, so let's slow the roll on application to any other minority. This is the perfect honey pot for MAGA because it's 1) In California 2) They get to feign outrage over a minority being mistreated.
 

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This is worse than Charlottesville and happening on a regular basis around this country, yet the shit libs on this site and around the country lie to themselves and say this is a right wing problem
 

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Apparently Tur’s education was so Marxist that this thought was never presented-

 

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We've had small-brained constricted dogmatists in the Church forever.

They are always lacking in Faith, as if GOD cannot see things as they exist, and what is needed is deeply thoughtthrough decisions made WITH Faith. Instead they hold on childishly to old constrictions as they (mis)understand them -- as if they can make their OWN way into Heaven by simple adherences to simple rules. That has never been Catholic theology; at least since mediaeval times.

... nothing to do with "politics". Somewhat offensive that you think so.
 

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We've had small-brained constricted dogmatists in the Church forever.

They are always lacking in Faith, as if GOD cannot see things as they exist, and what is needed is deeply thoughtthrough decisions made WITH Faith. Instead they hold on childishly to old constrictions as they (mis)understand them -- as if they can make their OWN way into Heaven by simple adherences to simple rules. That has never been Catholic theology; at least since mediaeval times.

... nothing to do with "politics". Somewhat offensive that you think so.
For the record, I don't think it has anything to do with politics. I thought it was an interesting article, so I did a search for religion. This thread was already in politics.
 

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We've had small-brained constricted dogmatists in the Church forever.

They are always lacking in Faith, as if GOD cannot see things as they exist, and what is needed is deeply thoughtthrough decisions made WITH Faith. Instead they hold on childishly to old constrictions as they (mis)understand them -- as if they can make their OWN way into Heaven by simple adherences to simple rules. That has never been Catholic theology; at least since mediaeval times.

... nothing to do with "politics". Somewhat offensive that you think so.
You must go to Talarico and Warnock’s church of god is nonbinary and pro-trans.
 

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What gender is god
I do not believe God has a gender assignment that evolves at the pace of tiktok. My understanding from my education is that god would not have a specific gender identity, but does consistently use father and king in references for male language references. I don't think god has a color on the constantly evolving Starbucks oppression flag.
 

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Well, Drayer, you once again show that you are simply an ass. My post was about Church history (CATHOLIC church history) and not about your nasty politics nor about your equally nasty proclivity to mock other people and strut about like the dick you are. You do however show consistency. I only hope that your fondest wish of killing every person not like yourself does not come to pass.

GOD in Catholic theology did several rather big things: One was that HE instituted a Church with a leader and a group of leaders who follow that leader in interacting spiritually with the rest of us as a unitary organization; and another was that HE told us to take our ego judgements and leave them to Him. By pointing out that you are an ass (even with clear evidence) I've failed Him in that last.
 

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I do not believe God has a gender assignment that evolves at the pace of tiktok. My understanding from my education is that god would not have a specific gender identity, but does consistently use father and king in references for male language references. I don't think god has a color on the constantly evolving Starbucks oppression flag.

So you believe that God is non-binary then?
 

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So you believe that God is non-binary then?
I’m going to send him one of these.
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I’m going to send him one of these.
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I can’t believe they were right, people do not like straight white Christian males. They love a spray tanned man who repeatedly makes claims about falling in love with other men.
 

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I can’t believe they were right, people do not like straight white Christian males. They love a spray tanned man who repeatedly makes claims about falling in love with other men.
Drayer daydreams about god’s dick. He’s bi and I don’t mean nary…
 

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I'm not equating to the fucking Starbucks flag here. Slapping non-binary on god is like saying your toaster is bisexual. It's just a creeper term being applied to something it doesn't apply to. You can give yourself a participation trophy but the whole take is retarded. Saying god transcends gender doesn't mean he gets the new sticker.
 

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I'm not equating to the fucking Starbucks flag here. Slapping non-binary on god is like saying your toaster is bisexual. It's just a creeper term being applied to something it doesn't apply to. You can give yourself a participation trophy but the whole take is retarded. Saying god transcends gender doesn't mean he gets the new sticker.
So yes or no, god is nonbinary?
 

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I'm not equating to the fucking Starbucks flag here. Slapping non-binary on god is like saying your toaster is bisexual. It's just a creeper term being applied to something it doesn't apply to. You can give yourself a participation trophy but the whole take is retarded. Saying god transcends gender doesn't mean he gets the new sticker.
Holy crash out lol
 
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