Peyton Manning now a Bronco

[woolybug25]

haha

wingoz trey wingo
That muffled weeping sound you hear coming from Bristol belongs to @realskipbayless

 

[IrishLax]

Yes.



What has Jeff Ireland ever done to make anyone think that he is in his right mind?



Manning isn't going to tutor anybody. He is going to worry about being the best he can be, not trying to teach Tebow throwing mechanics. Furthermore, Tebow will never be able to do what Manning does. Finally, name me one situation where a starting QB tutored a younger one and was successful? I'm sure that someone will say Farve/Rogers? Nope. Rogers has said openly said that Favre never had much interest in working with him. In my opinion, QB mentoring only works when you have a young starting QB being mentored by a veteran backup.

There are actually tons of scenarios where that has happened... they all involve a QB not worried about losing their job. Favre and Hasselebeck is an example, so is Rodgers and Flynn. "Tutor" was the wrong word but when you get to practice with and observe an elite QB you get better. I never said Manning would teach him throwing mechanics; I said Tim would get time without pressure to work on them. I would expect Timmy to learn something on how to read defenses from being around and in meetings with Manning. Then in 2-3 years Tebow+ can take over. As "bad" as Tebow is he took a last place team to the playoffs and then BEAT the Steelers. He had a very above average year for first year starter.

 

[irishog77]

Why not keep Tebow? You're not getting more than a second round pick at best for him... and even that is a stretch. You're only going to get 2-3 out of manning to begin with or less if he gets hurt. In the meantime he can tutor Timmy and Timmy can work on his mechanics with no pressure... while serving as a great back up and/or red zone package guy.

I agree with this thinking and it sounds great, but I think the Broncos/Elway want to move on from Tebow. I think they've seen enough/know enough about him after 2 years that they don't want him. Sometimes an organization knows after ___ amount of time that it just won't work out with Player X. I think this is why they are going to trade him, because otherwise, like you said, it would sound great to have a protege QB learn from a top-5 all-time QB mentor.

 

[irishog77]

Yes.



Ok, Wooly, you're on for a cool millie.

 

[woolybug25]

There are actually tons of scenarios where that has happened... they all involve a QB not worried about losing their job. Favre and Hasselebeck is an example, so is Rodgers and Flynn. "Tutor" was the wrong word but when you get to practice with and observe an elite QB you get better. I never said Manning would teach him throwing mechanics; I said Tim would get time without pressure to work on them. I would expect Timmy to learn something on how to read defenses from being around and in meetings with Manning. Then in 2-3 years Tebow+ can take over. As "bad" as Tebow is he took a last place team to the playoffs and then BEAT the Steelers. He had a very above average year for first year starter.

He threw for less than 50% completion percentage. The Bronco wins were above average, but Tebow's play was no where near above average. The reason he had late game heroics is because he put his team in a bind every game by being a below average qb.

Flynn has one game as a starter, lets let him start for Seattle before we judge him as a successful starting guy in this league. As far as Hasslebeck. In '98, he was only on the practice squad, so time between him and Favre were limited that year. After that, I would give more credit to Holmgren (who he followed to Seattle) than Favre.

I really don't think that starting QB's spend a lot of time "training" their future replacement. What good does that do them? They are busy keeping their job. The best mentor situations are when a veteran is a young guys backup, imo.

 

[irishpat183]

So how do we get paid on the vBucks deal on where he lands? Did it already pay out?

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Oops.

 

[IrishLax]

He threw for less than 50% completion percentage. The Bronco wins were above average, but Tebow's play was no where near above average. The reason he had late game heroics is because he put his team in a bind every game by being a below average qb.

Flynn has one game as a starter, lets let him start for Seattle before we judge him as a successful starting guy in this league. As far as Hasslebeck. In '98, he was only on the practice squad, so time between him and Favre were limited that year. After that, I would give more credit to Holmgren (who he followed to Seattle) than Favre.

I really don't think that starting QB's spend a lot of time "training" their future replacement. What good does that do them? They are busy keeping their job. The best mentor situations are when a veteran is a young guys backup, imo.

Your raise very valid points. I'm tempted to concede that you're right rather than try to dig up some more examples. In the meantime, I will just hand you a rep and see if I get enough downtime at work to come up with a rebuttal.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I would be shocked if any team gave them even a 2nd or 3rd round pick. However, that doesn't mean some team isn't dumb enough to do it. Everyone was dumbfounded that Tebow was selected in the first round, let alone a team trading up to do it.

Everyone knows that Denver wants to move Tebow which should drive down the market price. Denver's only hope is that two teams are genuinely interested or sometimes you only need one interested team, if they are dumb enough and paranoid enough to pay above market price cause they believe that there is an imaginary competitor.

 

[Irishnuke]

Oops.

Apparently that guy just started watching football last season. Wow.