Stonum Caught Driving on Revoked License

[IrishinSyria]

Living in a fantasy land-the comparison is legitimate.



I do not advocate his behavior, but are you serious? If each of us put our lives under a microscope, what sanctions would we have received for our behaviors (regardless if we were caught)? Glass houses....

Damn straight I'm serious. A little background. I'm a soldier. One of my jobs when I'm in garrison is dealing with the consequences of soldiers who get DUIs (I'm in an infantry battalion, so there are a lot of them.)

Even when the Army was desperate for people, the consequences were harsh. Now? You're lucky if you get a "discharge under other than honorable conditions". More likely, you're getting a dishonorable discharge, which will stay with these guys for the rest of their lives. Bottom line, Uncle Sam's going to mess you up if you drive drunk. And you know what? I agree with it. Why? Because the consequences for others can be so much worse. Personally, I put drunk driving in a category with rape and armed robbery in terms of "selfish neglect of community."

So here's what I think the NCAA should do: adopt an aggressive anti drunk driving program. Before every season, your school sits you down and makes you sign a bunch of NCAA paperwork agreeing that you won't take steroids and stuff like that. I believe the NCAA should make a DUI class a mandatory part of this pre-season routine. At the end of the class (featuring videos like this...) the players should have to sign an agreement stating that they understand they WILL lose their scholarship and the right to participate in NCAA contests if they receive a DUI.*

Seem a litte harsh? Maybe. But you know what, it's a lot less harsh than the potential consequences of operating a lethal weapon without full control.

*Maybe they can work in a second chance... But not by sitting for a year in a weight room. If you were going to give second chances, make them tough to come by: say, 1,000 hours of community service.

 

[die4irish]

Evidently scum fans think he has suffered enough. I get so sick of the Kelly killed someone thing I can puke. They wonder why everyone out side of Michigan think they are classless.


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[Fbolt]

DUI should be an automatic disqualifier from NCAA athletics- absolutely 0 exceptions. Nothing says "I don't give a f*ck about my friends, family or community" more than getting behind a steering wheel drunk. And yes, I would have advocated that being the punishment for Floyd, but only if the rule had existed. The NCAA should adopt a clear, unambiguous zero tolerance policy.

2 DUIs is beyond the pale. Thumbing his nose at the punishment for those DUIs should be more than enough to end his college football days.

FBOLT: I do not advocate his behavior, but are you serious? If each of us put our lives under a microscope, what sanctions would we have received for our behaviors (regardless if we were caught)? Glass houses....[/QUOTE]

Damn straight I'm serious. A little background. I'm a soldier. One of my jobs when I'm in garrison is dealing with the consequences of soldiers who get DUIs (I'm in an infantry battalion, so there are a lot of them.)

Even when the Army was desperate for people, the consequences were harsh. Now? You're lucky if you get a "discharge under other than honorable conditions". More likely, you're getting a dishonorable discharge, which will stay with these guys for the rest of their lives. Bottom line, Uncle Sam's going to mess you up if you drive drunk. And you know what? I agree with it. Why? Because the consequences for others can be so much worse. Personally, I put drunk driving in a category with rape and armed robbery in terms of "selfish neglect of community."

So here's what I think the NCAA should do: adopt an aggressive anti drunk driving program. Before every season, your school sits you down and makes you sign a bunch of NCAA paperwork agreeing that you won't take steroids and stuff like that. I believe the NCAA should make a DUI class a mandatory part of this pre-season routine. At the end of the class (featuring videos like this...) the players should have to sign an agreement stating that they understand they WILL lose their scholarship and the right to participate in NCAA contests if they receive a DUI.*

Seem a litte harsh? Maybe. But you know what, it's a lot less harsh than the potential consequences of operating a lethal weapon without full control.

Syria-I realize the consequences are harsh while serving in the military, however, he's not in the military and subject to the laws of the UCMJ (and I might add, responsible as an adult would be-which college students are not as, IMO, they are shielded by the school to a degree). He's a college student/athlete and subject to the rules of the college, the law, and the NCAA. The fact that he be held to a significantly higher standard than other students is not reasonable by any stretch.

Again, I point out that who, to include yourself Syria, has ever made a mistake (and again, not just the mistakes you were caught for!)? Are you willing to apply those same harsh judgements to yourself?

Think about the soldier who used MJ 1x and did not admit it to their recruiter or place it on their SF86 (haha-or maybe they did tell their recruiter). Should they lose their job?

What about the low-income student who drinks alcohol while underage and is on a grant. Should he/she be kicked out of school?

Everyone makes mistakes (I uncover them for a living and previously was a college student after a military career as an Infantry NCO). Do I agree that DUI's are horrible and are a plague on society (my words, I know)-YES. Did I know that when I was 20? Nope. 25? Probably not. 30? Probably yes. And definitely now at 40+ I agree with you. But as many of us have learned, life experiences teach us valuable lessons and those experiences are sometimes harsh and ugly. I assume most would agree with me when I say that at age 40, we make better decisions than at age 20.

Make no mistake, I think there should be some form of punishment for the young man.

Maybe your thoughts are prejudiced with a personal story...? I hope not.

BTW-I completely agree with your idea of the NCAA re: the training.

 

[phork]

Thankfully you have learned to take off BOLD.

That aside, yes everyone makes mistakes. And I am sure some people here do some shady stuff in their personal lives. Hell Terelle Pryor says we all kill people and rob people. The point is that this kid got caught. Not once, not twice (2 DUIs), not 3 times, but 4 times. As unheinous as this infraction is, he lost his license for a reason and its the 3rd time he has violated his revoked license punishment.

This shows a blatant disregard for the law. Then to top it off, he lied to the probation officer.

There are other kids more deserving of that scholarship, time to drop his punk *** and move it along.

 

[IrishLax]

I hope he gets max jail time for violating probation; he clearly hasn't learned his lesson.

Also, no one talks about why he got pulled over in the first place at 7 AM. Anyone know? Speeding? Blowing through a stop sign?

 

[Irishnuke]

Remember that Floyd had some issues himself....So while I can't say I'm not happy about it, I keep in mind the problems our #1 playmaker had.

The fact that you're happy a kid committed a crime and got arrested is disturbing.

 

[Anchorman]

The fact that you're happy a kid committed a crime and got arrested is disturbing.

I think he meant that he's not happy about it, and then fused "I can't say I'm happy about it" and "I'm not happy about it" accidentally.

I hope so anyways.

 

[phork]

I hope he gets max jail time for violating probation; he clearly hasn't learned his lesson.

Also, no one talks about why he got pulled over in the first place at 7 AM. Anyone know? Speeding? Blowing through a stop sign?

His probation officer asked how he got to the meeting, he told him a girl dropped him off. An officer of the court pulled him over after the meeting. So not only driving with a revoked license, but lying to an officer of the court.

 

[phork]

Stonum gets 10 days in jail | mgoblog

10 Days.

 

[jonesman]

Folks,
Hoke will reveal his real character on this. It is now revealed that Stonum not only drove with revolked license, he also lied about it. Further, he apparently stopped going to his 12 step program demanded by the court.

So, Hoke stated that he gave Stonum specific things he needed to do to get back on the team. I am betting that failure to complete his 12 step plan was not one of them.

The reality is that UM desperately needs him as a WR in 2012, so I am betting that Hoke let's him play. Without Stonum, they do not really have any solid experienced WR's.

Atleast with Kelly, he held Floyd to getting himself straight. Stonum just keeps thumbing his nose at the law and court.

Hoke, the next move is yours!!!

 

[IrishLax]

10 days in jail... and he isn't going to miss a game.

 

[phork]

10 days in jail... and he isn't going to miss a game.

That is not necessarily true. Hoke said his status is unchanged. Which is to say he is still under double secret probation. After all the crap UM fans have leveled on MSU and ND for the handling of some of their issues, this will be a black eye for UM if the kid isn't dropped.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Syria-I realize the consequences are harsh while serving in the military, however, he's not in the military and subject to the laws of the UCMJ (and I might add, responsible as an adult would be-which college students are not as, IMO, they are shielded by the school to a degree). He's a college student/athlete and subject to the rules of the college, the law, and the NCAA. The fact that he be held to a significantly higher standard than other students is not reasonable by any stretch.

Again, I point out that who, to include yourself Syria, has ever made a mistake (and again, not just the mistakes you were caught for!)? Are you willing to apply those same harsh judgements to yourself?

Think about the soldier who used MJ 1x and did not admit it to their recruiter or place it on their SF86 (haha-or maybe they did tell their recruiter). Should they lose their job?

What about the low-income student who drinks alcohol while underage and is on a grant. Should he/she be kicked out of school?

Everyone makes mistakes (I uncover them for a living and previously was a college student after a military career as an Infantry NCO). Do I agree that DUI's are horrible and are a plague on society (my words, I know)-YES. Did I know that when I was 20? Nope. 25? Probably not. 30? Probably yes. And definitely now at 40+ I agree with you. But as many of us have learned, life experiences teach us valuable lessons and those experiences are sometimes harsh and ugly. I assume most would agree with me when I say that at age 40, we make better decisions than at age 20.

Make no mistake, I think there should be some form of punishment for the young man.

Maybe your thoughts are prejudiced with a personal story...? I hope not.

BTW-I completely agree with your idea of the NCAA re: the training.

Thank god I haven't lost anyone close to me to a drunk driver, though I do know people who have.

First of all, I repped you for this post, it's very well argued and thought out. I just think that playing in the NCAA should be a privilege, and that it should entail some serious responsibility on the part of the student athlete towards the community. The student athletes SHOULD be held to a higher standard. I guess I don't trust most schools touphold this standard, so I think the NCAA should have a universal standard, and it should be harsh. Every time an athlete gets off with just a slap on the wrist for something like drunk driving, it adds to the message that the school should be thankful for them, and not the other way around. Maybe barred from participation is extreme, but if that's what it takes to send the message then I'm all for it.

The more I think about it, the more I like serious community service requirements as a condition for regaining eligibility. Drunk driving is an affront to the community. The NCAA should have zero tolerance for athletes who detract from the communities that support them. Serious community service work is one way for them to begin repairing the harm they've done.

Anyway, that's all speculation. In the case of Mr. Stonum, he has established a pattern of flagrant disrespect for the law, the community, the school and his team. I would want him as far away from my program as possible if I were Brady Hoke.

 

[irishpat183]

Living in a fantasy land-the comparison is legitimate.

THANK YOU!!! Of course we defend "our guy"....but it's still a legit point i was trying to make.

I do not advocate his behavior, but are you serious? If each of us put our lives under a microscope, what sanctions would we have received for our behaviors (regardless if we were caught)? Glass houses....

And we're not famous athletes that are potentially going to make millions of dollars. So I agree we all make mistakes, but you can't complalin when they are chastized as they are held to a higher standard. The good publicity also comes with the bad.

 

[irishpat183]

10 days in jail... and he isn't going to miss a game.

Now that is absurd.

 

[Riddickulous]

Stonum has been dismissed.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Good for Hoke. He's got more integrity than I would have guessed.

Can't wait to read some holier-than-thou skunkbear posts on Floyd v. Stonum, you guys.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Talented kid, but correct choice by Hoke.

 

[irish1958]

I hate to say it, but Hoke is the real deal.

 

[IrishLax]

Proud of Michigan doing the right thing and not becoming an MSU or Ohio State.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

I hate to say it, but Hoke is the real deal.

Define real deal. He has ethical standards? I would agree with you. So did Charlie Weis. I would contend that 2011 Michigan feels a lot like 2005 Notre Dame, which I think others on this board have noted.

That program is further away than most think. Denard won't get them to a BCS game next year, and that defense is going to be exposed without Martin and VanBergen. They may be fun to watch for scUM fans next year with Shoelace, but I would be surprised to see them win a Big 10 title in the next 5 years. Let's see what Hoke can do with his offense once he doesn't have a freak escape artist under center.

 

[Riddickulous]

Define real deal. He has ethical standards? I would agree with you. So did Charlie Weis. I would contend that 2011 Michigan feels a lot like 2005 Notre Dame, which I think others on this board have noted.

That program is further away than most think. Denard won't get them to a BCS game next year, and that defense is going to be exposed without Martin and VanBergen. They may be fun to watch for scUM fans next year with Shoelace, but I would be surprised to see them win a Big 10 title in the next 5 years. Let's see what Hoke can do with his offense once he doesn't have a freak escape artist under center.

Ha.

 

[irish1958]

Define real deal. He has ethical standards? I would agree with you. So did Charlie Weis. I would contend that 2011 Michigan feels a lot like 2005 Notre Dame, which I think others on this board have noted.

That program is further away than most think. Denard won't get them to a BCS game next year, and that defense is going to be exposed without Martin and VanBergen. They may be fun to watch for scUM fans next year with Shoelace, but I would be surprised to see them win a Big 10 title in the next 5 years. Let's see what Hoke can do with his offense once he doesn't have a freak escape artist under center.

He appears to be a man of principles; he appears to be a good recruiter; he went 11and 2 (although I will admit, with a bit of luck).
As my mother would say, "so far, so good."

 

[bighouse 97]

Folks,
Hoke will reveal his real character on this. It is now revealed that Stonum not only drove with revolked license, he also lied about it. Further, he apparently stopped going to his 12 step program demanded by the court.

So, Hoke stated that he gave Stonum specific things he needed to do to get back on the team. I am betting that failure to complete his 12 step plan was not one of them.

The reality is that UM desperately needs him as a WR in 2012, so I am betting that Hoke let's him play. Without Stonum, they do not really have any solid experienced WR's.

Atleast with Kelly, he held Floyd to getting himself straight. Stonum just keeps thumbing his nose at the law and court.

Hoke, the next move is yours!!!

i am a um fan (obviously) and really wasnt too excited about the hire, but i think hoke may have that something that makes coaches special. we shall see.

just thought that after several pages of expectations that this would not be handled right hoke deserves some credit.

however, not too much credit as this result should happen all the time...it just doesnt in too many cases.

 

[phork]

Wait until you get curb stomped vs 'Bama next year, which will set you up for a gross and indecent 2012. Sugar Bowl to Alamo Bowl.

 

[bighouse 97]

Wait until you get curb stomped vs 'Bama next year, which will set you up for a gross and indecent 2012. Sugar Bowl to Alamo Bowl.

ok then.

note to self: phork likes to go off topic to rip on UM

 

[phork]

ok then.

note to self: phork likes to go off topic to rip on UM

Off topic? You said Hoke was special, he has been there 1 year, and you guys lucky as hell this year, wait until next year when the shine comes off.

 

[Walter White]

ok then.

note to self: phork likes to go off topic to rip on UM

Don't we all though?

Muck Fichigan and their stupid, lucky break of a season. Also, Ann Arbor is a whore. Feels great to say.

 

[returnofthemack]

I want scUM to be the Gus to our Walter White.

 

[Walter White]

I want scUM to be the Gus to our Walter White.

If I blow them up, then who will be the bad guy next season....oh i guess that didn't stop me last time