My take on the state of Notre Dame Football

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I am more just posting this to vent after last night, so if you don't want to read it, don't bother, you probably already know most the stuff.

Here are my thoughts on the state of the program.

There's a saying that I'm pretty sure Ronald Reagan used in his 1984 campaign and it was something to the effect of, "Are you better off than you were four years ago?" The question for Notre Dame football is 100% absolutely yes. 4 years ago we were in the 2008 season, had no rushing attack, a poor defense with an extreme lack of athletes, a horrible offensive line, and a young but extremely talented QB that would go on to start 6-2, but finish the regular season 6-6.

Now fast forward to the post season 2011 and look at the facets from the Weis regime that Kelly has improved. The rushing attack that was non-existent 4 years ago? We had a two headed monster this year that nearly combined for 2000 yards. A poor defense with lack of athletes in 2009 that gave up nearly 28 points a game if you take out the Nevada game? It has improved to a top 25 defense that only gave up 20 points a game. A horrible offensive line with almost no talent or depth? After this season we are going to have a 3 deep O-line for the first time in a long time, and it is extremely talented. Most importantly, I feel like Kelly is a closer. We started out 0-2, but didn't lose sight, and went on to win 8 of the next 10 including beating a top 15 MSU team. Weis would start out 6-2, then lose out in 2008 and 2009.

Kelly was a QB away from having this team being top 10. Going into 2012, I will be shocked if it is Rees. Kelly's offense needs a QB who can run, not a QB who can just pass, or a QB who is run first pass second. Sadly I feel like Hendrix is more of a run oriented QB, and I feel like we are going to see redshirt freshman Everett Golson start next year. Will there be growing pains? Maybe. Will it be better long term, and better for the team right away? Absolutely. Whomever Kelly picks to start, I will support that decision, even if it is Rees; however, I will be shocked if Golson doesn't at least get a chance at playing early and often.

Recruiting wise, while we may not be reeling in the #2 class how Weis did, we are still bringing in top 10 classes and talent, and these classes are much more complete. Weis's 2008 class was great, offensively, but if you look at the defensive side of the ball, there was an extreme deficiency of talent. The only players from that class that were big contributors this year were Slaughter, Flemming, Robert Blanton, and Johnson. Unfortunately KLM was hurt. These 2011 and 2012 classes are star studded on the defensive side of the ball and on the offensive line, two positions that Weis struggled big time to recruit or develop.

It may not be next year with yet another young QB and extremely inexperienced corners, but Brian Kelly will have Notre Dame back to the BCS within the next 3 years. If you don't see a rising program in Notre Dame, you weren't following it during the Weis era. Brian Kelly has saved Notre Dame football from being a 6-6, 7-5 team every year. Some of you may say well 8-4 isn't much better, but really, it is. It was an 8-4 with a few bounces away from being 10-2 or 11-1. I am extremely disappointed in this season, but this team would smack around the 2008 and 2009 teams by at least two touchdowns. We are improving, and next year will be a crucial year.

Our team looks strong next year, but QB is still a huge question mark. Our offensive line returns studs in Zach Martin, Chris Watt, and Braxton Cave. Christian Lombard was a 5* by some recruiting services and will step in nicely for Taylor Dever, and hopefully Hanratty or Hegarty step in for Robinson. That's a pretty strong O-line, with some solid backups. Something we never had under Charlie. RB might be a little thin, but solid with Weis and maybe Riddick or maybe Atkinson. I don't think they will both stay at RB with 4-5 pure RB's on the roster now, but one will. WR could deceptively be actually pretty decent. We saw Roby Toma make play after play late in the season, Tai-ler Jones played great at times as just a sophomore, and I am confident we will see a lot of Davaris Daniels or Deontay Greenberry. I am thinking Eiffert stays for another year, which will give us a pretty potent passing attack and rushing attack.

Defensively, we are looking at a stud defensive line in Nix and Tuitt, and Lynch and KLM.
Our LBers are going to be good with Te'o, Calabrese, Ishaq Williams, and Prince Shembo.
Our secondary looks strong at safety. Slaughter is a beast at whatever position Kelly decides to put him at, and Motta, as much as I disliked his play all season, actually played decent I thought yesterday. Our corners scare me though. Bennett Jackson I thought looked pretty good yesterday, and Lo Wood had that nice pic 6 this year, but they still scare me. I think we might see a lot of Tee and a lot of Darby(assuming they sign, I don't care what is going on with them, right now they are committed). That is a very good front 7, possibly elite front 7.

At first glance, it is a very tough schedule, but Navy, Purdue, Miami, BYU, Pittsburg, BC, and Wake should all be wins. Then comes Michigan State, Michigan, and Stanford as a group I think we should take 2 out of 3 from. Stanford without Luck and all those huge tight ends might not be too good. Then comes SC and Oklahoma. SC is going to be tough, as well as a game at Oklahoma, but neither are unbeatable. Lets say we beat one of them. I see 9-3 or 10-2 from this, and a lot of improvement. This is a very, very important year for Kelly. I hope he doesn't let us down.
 

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ND will not win 9 or 10 games next season, with Floyd/Eifert gone, the offense will be dismal and the defense will carry them until they tire. 6 wins next season, tops. It will be a big step backwards.
 

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ND will not win 9 or 10 games next season, with Floyd/Eifert gone, the offense will be dismal and the defense will carry them until they tire. 6 wins next season, tops. It will be a big step backwards.

First off eifert isnt gone, and he probably won't be. And the offense will not be dismal. Some of you after a loss are so negative it's ridiculous.

Edit: iPhone typo
 
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I am more just posting this to vent after last night, so if you don't want to read it, don't bother, you probably already know most the stuff.

Here are my thoughts on the state of the program.

There's a saying that I'm pretty sure Ronald Reagan used in his 1984 campaign and it was something to the effect of, "Are you better off than you were four years ago?" The question for Notre Dame football is 100% absolutely yes. 4 years ago we were in the 2008 season, had no rushing attack, a poor defense with an extreme lack of athletes, a horrible offensive line, and a young but extremely talented QB that would go on to start 6-2, but finish the regular season 6-6.

Now fast forward to the post season 2011 and look at the facets from the Weis regime that Kelly has improved. The rushing attack that was non-existent 4 years ago? We had a two headed monster this year that nearly combined for 2000 yards. A poor defense with lack of athletes in 2009 that gave up nearly 28 points a game if you take out the Nevada game? It has improved to a top 25 defense that only gave up 20 points a game. A horrible offensive line with almost no talent or depth? After this season we are going to have a 3 deep O-line for the first time in a long time, and it is extremely talented. Most importantly, I feel like Kelly is a closer. We started out 0-2, but didn't lose sight, and went on to win 8 of the next 10 including beating a top 15 MSU team. Weis would start out 6-2, then lose out in 2008 and 2009.

Kelly was a QB away from having this team being top 10. Going into 2012, I will be shocked if it is Rees. Kelly's offense needs a QB who can run, not a QB who can just pass, or a QB who is run first pass second. Sadly I feel like Hendrix is more of a run oriented QB, and I feel like we are going to see redshirt freshman Everett Golson start next year. Will there be growing pains? Maybe. Will it be better long term, and better for the team right away? Absolutely. Whomever Kelly picks to start, I will support that decision, even if it is Rees; however, I will be shocked if Golson doesn't at least get a chance at playing early and often.

Recruiting wise, while we may not be reeling in the #2 class how Weis did, we are still bringing in top 10 classes and talent, and these classes are much more complete. Weis's 2008 class was great, offensively, but if you look at the defensive side of the ball, there was an extreme deficiency of talent. The only players from that class that were big contributors this year were Slaughter, Flemming, Robert Blanton, and Johnson. Unfortunately KLM was hurt. These 2011 and 2012 classes are star studded on the defensive side of the ball and on the offensive line, two positions that Weis struggled big time to recruit or develop.

It may not be next year with yet another young QB and extremely inexperienced corners, but Brian Kelly will have Notre Dame back to the BCS within the next 3 years. If you don't see a rising program in Notre Dame, you weren't following it during the Weis era. Brian Kelly has saved Notre Dame football from being a 6-6, 7-5 team every year. Some of you may say well 8-4 isn't much better, but really, it is. It was an 8-4 with a few bounces away from being 10-2 or 11-1. I am extremely disappointed in this season, but this team would smack around the 2008 and 2009 teams by at least two touchdowns. We are improving, and next year will be a crucial year.

Our team looks strong next year, but QB is still a huge question mark. Our offensive line returns studs in Zach Martin, Chris Watt, and Braxton Cave. Christian Lombard was a 5* by some recruiting services and will step in nicely for Taylor Dever, and hopefully Hanratty or Hegarty step in for Robinson. That's a pretty strong O-line, with some solid backups. Something we never had under Charlie. RB might be a little thin, but solid with Weis and maybe Riddick or maybe Atkinson. I don't think they will both stay at RB with 4-5 pure RB's on the roster now, but one will. WR could deceptively be actually pretty decent. We saw Roby Toma make play after play late in the season, Tai-ler Jones played great at times as just a sophomore, and I am confident we will see a lot of Davaris Daniels or Deontay Greenberry. I am thinking Eiffert stays for another year, which will give us a pretty potent passing attack and rushing attack.

Defensively, we are looking at a stud defensive line in Nix and Tuitt, and Lynch and KLM.
Our LBers are going to be good with Te'o, Calabrese, Ishaq Williams, and Prince Shembo.
Our secondary looks strong at safety. Slaughter is a beast at whatever position Kelly decides to put him at, and Motta, as much as I disliked his play all season, actually played decent I thought yesterday. Our corners scare me though. Bennett Jackson I thought looked pretty good yesterday, and Lo Wood had that nice pic 6 this year, but they still scare me. I think we might see a lot of Tee and a lot of Darby(assuming they sign, I don't care what is going on with them, right now they are committed). That is a very good front 7, possibly elite front 7.

At first glance, it is a very tough schedule, but Navy, Purdue, Miami, BYU, Pittsburg, BC, and Wake should all be wins. Then comes Michigan State, Michigan, and Stanford as a group I think we should take 2 out of 3 from. Stanford without Luck and all those huge tight ends might not be too good. Then comes SC and Oklahoma. SC is going to be tough, as well as a game at Oklahoma, but neither are unbeatable. Lets say we beat one of them. I see 9-3 or 10-2 from this, and a lot of improvement. This is a very, very important year for Kelly. I hope he doesn't let us down.
Well said... Exactly what i wanted to say. Reps!!!
 

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1)stop w/ the unnecessary penalties that allow the teams to sustain drives (shembo last night which allowed them to then score, lynch who had several during the year)
2) steer the qb play the right way...i have been behind tommy but i cannot stand behind him anymore...move to the side...it hurts to say cuz i think he is a great kid
3) if something is working...KEEP DOING IT!!!
4) turnovers

these 4 things are what killed us this year
 

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Having an explosive and athletic QB in Golson will free up receivers and the run game!!! Why dont people understand that!? This offense is supposed to be fast and dynamic! So many ND fans dont realize tha we havent see this yet? We haven't seen how this offense is really supposed to click. We dont have our dynamic, playmaker under center yet. Just wait until the Golson show comes to town.
 

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Having an explosive and athletic QB in Golson will free up receivers and the run game!!! Why dont people understand that!? This offense is supposed to be fast and dynamic! So many ND fans dont realize tha we havent see this yet? We haven't seen how this offense is really supposed to click. We dont have our dynamic, playmaker under center yet. Just wait until the Golson show comes to town.

This exactly!! We have not seen the full capabilities of this offense yet. It adds a whole new dimension that tommy just doesn't give us
 

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First off eifert isnt gone, and he probably won't be. And the offense will not be dismal. Some of you after a loss are so negative it's ridiculous.

Edit: iPhone typo

I am not negative, but the schedule next year is alot harder then this year. And the way Rees has developed does not give me confidence in BKs ability to develope Hendrix.
 

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you are negative... why deny it? Language is language. Just defend your negativity.
 

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I am not negative, but the schedule next year is alot harder then this year. And the way Rees has developed does not give me confidence in BKs ability to develope Hendrix.

Tommy Rees has not developed because Tommy Rees does not have untapped potential to be developed. He can not throw the deep ball. He can not throw the deep out. He can not put any zip on the ball. He can avoid the rush. He can not tuck the ball down and run. He repeatedly makes the same mistakes over and over again. Do you think coach kelly has not coached him up a million times not to throw a floating duck into double coverage in the red zone to a WR who has played all of maybe 15 snaps this season? Look at how the guy has developed QBs over the course of his career, not just in the past year when he has been trying to paint the Sistine Chapel using cheap paint and a sprayer.
 

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And as for next season, I see another 8-4 or 9-3 season playing out like this, and setting the stage for huge things in 2013.

Navy - win
Purdue - win
MSU - win (No kirk cousins)
UM - tossup
Miami - win - no QB, no sean spence, young inexperienced OL)
Stanford - win (No Andrew Luck, Fleener or Owasu. They also lose 4 of 4 DBs like we do.)
BYU - win
Oklahoma - Loss
Pitt - win
BC- win
Wake - win
USC - Loss

We could easily lose UM if our QB play isnt stable by then and we cant stop Denard again. We could also lose another one to a Miami/Stanford if we dont play fundamentally sound. I dont know where people see 6 losses on this schedule if they are accounting for what players our opponents lose as well.
 

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And as for next season, I see another 8-4 or 9-3 season playing out like this, and setting the stage for huge things in 2013.

Navy - win
Purdue - win
MSU - win (No kirk cousins)
UM - tossup
Miami - win - no QB, no sean spence, young inexperienced OL)
Stanford - win (No Andrew Luck, Fleener or Owasu. They also lose 4 of 4 DBs like we do.)
BYU - win
Oklahoma - Loss
Pitt - win
BC- win
Wake - win
USC - Loss

We could easily lose UM if our QB play isnt stable by then and we cant stop Denard again. We could also lose another one to a Miami/Stanford if we dont play fundamentally sound. I dont know where people see 6 losses on this schedule if they are accounting for what players our opponents lose as well.

Because UM is a toss-up leaning UM. That is at least three. Furthermore, I'd say we drop another between BC/Stanford/BYU. And then we have the inevitable"WTF" headscratcher.
 
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No way we beat SC. They are going to win the national championship. OK and UM will be losses barring injury. We will lose 2 games we shouldn't have like every year, probably BC and Miami. 7-5
 

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No way we beat SC. They are going to win the national championship. OK and UM will be losses barring injury. We will lose 2 games we shouldn't have like every year, probably BC and Miami. 7-5

I agree about USC but Oklahoma is not as good as you think. Especially if Landry Jones decides to leave. Michigan I disagree on. We should have beaten them this year and they lose some key starters on the lines. I am not saying we beat Michigan, but it is not a game we chalk up as a loss. I see 7-5 at worst 11-1 at best and probably in the middle at 9-3
 

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it's gonna be very tough to duplicate or improve this year's success with next year's schedule.

with the questions we have going in: floyd's replacement, eifert's (which i think is more likely after last night, he played very well and was our offensive mvp imo), huge questions at QB and extreme inexperience on the backend of our defense.

in a nut shell we are going to need to grow up very fast and hope all of these questions are positively answered quickly.
 

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I think there are lot of good signs for the future, as the OP points out. But I think a two or three loss season next year is a stretch. Not because I think we have no talent at QB, but because it's going to take time for that talent to develop. It's hard to imagine Hendrix or Golson being consistent enough to beat the better teams, without them having time to gain experience. I'm much more hopeful for two years from now than I am for next year.

But I do think the defense is getting on line, and think the freshmen this year were great contributors and that's excellent. But there are some questions about how the secondary fills in -- the new guys will help alot -- can't wait to see Darby -- but again, there is the issue of experience.

I'd take 9-4 in a hearbeat.
 

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I just feel like some are over stating our losses. Losing Floyd is big, don't get me wrong, but I feel we will overall be better next year especially if eifert comes back
 

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I am more just posting this to vent after last night, so if you don't want to read it, don't bother, you probably already know most the stuff.

Here are my thoughts on the state of the program.

There's a saying that I'm pretty sure Ronald Reagan used in his 1984 campaign and it was something to the effect of, "Are you better off than you were four years ago?" The question for Notre Dame football is 100% absolutely yes. 4 years ago we were in the 2008 season, had no rushing attack, a poor defense with an extreme lack of athletes, a horrible offensive line, and a young but extremely talented QB that would go on to start 6-2, but finish the regular season 6-6.

Now fast forward to the post season 2011 and look at the facets from the Weis regime that Kelly has improved. The rushing attack that was non-existent 4 years ago? We had a two headed monster this year that nearly combined for 2000 yards. A poor defense with lack of athletes in 2009 that gave up nearly 28 points a game if you take out the Nevada game? It has improved to a top 25 defense that only gave up 20 points a game. A horrible offensive line with almost no talent or depth? After this season we are going to have a 3 deep O-line for the first time in a long time, and it is extremely talented. Most importantly, I feel like Kelly is a closer. We started out 0-2, but didn't lose sight, and went on to win 8 of the next 10 including beating a top 15 MSU team. Weis would start out 6-2, then lose out in 2008 and 2009.

Kelly was a QB away from having this team being top 10. Going into 2012, I will be shocked if it is Rees. Kelly's offense needs a QB who can run, not a QB who can just pass, or a QB who is run first pass second. Sadly I feel like Hendrix is more of a run oriented QB, and I feel like we are going to see redshirt freshman Everett Golson start next year. Will there be growing pains? Maybe. Will it be better long term, and better for the team right away? Absolutely. Whomever Kelly picks to start, I will support that decision, even if it is Rees; however, I will be shocked if Golson doesn't at least get a chance at playing early and often.

Recruiting wise, while we may not be reeling in the #2 class how Weis did, we are still bringing in top 10 classes and talent, and these classes are much more complete. Weis's 2008 class was great, offensively, but if you look at the defensive side of the ball, there was an extreme deficiency of talent. The only players from that class that were big contributors this year were Slaughter, Flemming, Robert Blanton, and Johnson. Unfortunately KLM was hurt. These 2011 and 2012 classes are star studded on the defensive side of the ball and on the offensive line, two positions that Weis struggled big time to recruit or develop.

It may not be next year with yet another young QB and extremely inexperienced corners, but Brian Kelly will have Notre Dame back to the BCS within the next 3 years. If you don't see a rising program in Notre Dame, you weren't following it during the Weis era. Brian Kelly has saved Notre Dame football from being a 6-6, 7-5 team every year. Some of you may say well 8-4 isn't much better, but really, it is. It was an 8-4 with a few bounces away from being 10-2 or 11-1. I am extremely disappointed in this season, but this team would smack around the 2008 and 2009 teams by at least two touchdowns. We are improving, and next year will be a crucial year.

Our team looks strong next year, but QB is still a huge question mark. Our offensive line returns studs in Zach Martin, Chris Watt, and Braxton Cave. Christian Lombard was a 5* by some recruiting services and will step in nicely for Taylor Dever, and hopefully Hanratty or Hegarty step in for Robinson. That's a pretty strong O-line, with some solid backups. Something we never had under Charlie. RB might be a little thin, but solid with Weis and maybe Riddick or maybe Atkinson. I don't think they will both stay at RB with 4-5 pure RB's on the roster now, but one will. WR could deceptively be actually pretty decent. We saw Roby Toma make play after play late in the season, Tai-ler Jones played great at times as just a sophomore, and I am confident we will see a lot of Davaris Daniels or Deontay Greenberry. I am thinking Eiffert stays for another year, which will give us a pretty potent passing attack and rushing attack.

Defensively, we are looking at a stud defensive line in Nix and Tuitt, and Lynch and KLM.
Our LBers are going to be good with Te'o, Calabrese, Ishaq Williams, and Prince Shembo.
Our secondary looks strong at safety. Slaughter is a beast at whatever position Kelly decides to put him at, and Motta, as much as I disliked his play all season, actually played decent I thought yesterday. Our corners scare me though. Bennett Jackson I thought looked pretty good yesterday, and Lo Wood had that nice pic 6 this year, but they still scare me. I think we might see a lot of Tee and a lot of Darby(assuming they sign, I don't care what is going on with them, right now they are committed). That is a very good front 7, possibly elite front 7.

At first glance, it is a very tough schedule, but Navy, Purdue, Miami, BYU, Pittsburg, BC, and Wake should all be wins. Then comes Michigan State, Michigan, and Stanford as a group I think we should take 2 out of 3 from. Stanford without Luck and all those huge tight ends might not be too good. Then comes SC and Oklahoma. SC is going to be tough, as well as a game at Oklahoma, but neither are unbeatable. Lets say we beat one of them. I see 9-3 or 10-2 from this, and a lot of improvement. This is a very, very important year for Kelly. I hope he doesn't let us down.

Well thought out and I agree with you on what you wrote except I'm not sure if hendrix is a run over throw QB. I think the package he plays with from coach Kelly is different hence change of pace. Hendrix has a very strong arm, and I think we will get to see that next year.
 

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Personally i am very confident where we sit right now. Next year will be a make or break season for many reasons but most importantly the teams mental status. Next year must be a break out season where we beat the teams we should and steal wins from teams evenly matched or better then us. Remember before Kelly arrived our record the previous 3 years was 2007 3-9, 2008 7-6, 2009 6-6. Back to back 8-5 seasons isn't anything to get overly excited about but its progress and we are building a foundation that will benefit us for years to come.

It's just funny how things work out when Kelly was at cincy his defense was horrid but all of his Qb's could play. Now we are searching for a Qb that can at very minimum not make the big mistake and relying on our defense to win games. Once he has that Qb things will balance out and our team is going to operate completely different. Anyone that is a student of the game or has some coaching experience knows when you build a program it is at least a 3 year minimum. So at least through my knowledge and experience next years team and what they accomplish on the field will tell us more about the state of the program then these last 2 years.
 

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I have grown bearish on BK. He has not impressed me at all. Recruiting is lacking, coaching is lacking. He has been out-coached frequently. Diaco has been the one I think has done the best.

I am starting to think Kelly will not be long for South Bend, pretty sad.
 

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I just feel like some are over stating our losses. Losing Floyd is big, don't get me wrong, but I feel we will overall be better next year especially if eifert comes back


Why? Why do you think we will be better? Gut feeling or because of something that I am not seeing?

Just curious.
 

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I have to say I was pleasantly surprised with this post. I feared it would be some cliche negative post like always, but it was a very optimistic one.

I agree, the sky is not falling.

Can we please all aim for having 7 wins next year though? I hate to see you guys constantly expecting 10 wins let alone 9. I'm not saying it isn't possible and I'm not saying that 7 is an acceptable reoccurance, but we're not there yet. Every year we have a question mark some where. The only way you when 10+ with a question mark is if the question mark really steps up and kicks ***.

When all the pieces are there and we know they can play, that's when I want to hear talk of a BCS and a National Title, but until then, for the sake of your own sanity, don't expect great things.

I have grown bearish on BK. He has not impressed me at all. Recruiting is lacking, coaching is lacking. He has been out-coached frequently. Diaco has been the one I think has done the best.

I am starting to think Kelly will not be long for South Bend, pretty sad.

Right when I read that I knew your post was a joke.
 

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I'm not saying that offense will be better off without Floyd, because that would be ridiculous, but I think losing Floyd might give this offense a chance to further develop into the type of offense Brian Kelly wants.

Kelly's offenses aren't supposed to be designed around getting the ball to one dynamic playmaker, but to spread the ball around and ultimately create space for receivers and running backs to have running lanes. Spreading the ball around to 3 to 5 receivers effectively will be more beneficial to the rest of the offense than focusing on getting the ball to Floyd--something that Tommy did too often this year.
 

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Well let me say this, the recruiting has been adequate but not outstanding IMO. The coaching has been plain bad.
 

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I'm not saying that offense will be better off without Floyd, because that would be ridiculous, but I think losing Floyd might give this offense a chance to further develop into the type of offense Brian Kelly wants.

Kelly's offenses aren't supposed to be designed around getting the ball to one dynamic playmaker, but to spread the ball around and ultimately create space for receivers and running backs to have running lanes. Spreading the ball around to 3 to 5 effectively will be more beneficial to the rest of the offense than focusing on getting the ball to Floyd--something that Tommy did too often this year.


No doubt but I think that is some wishful thinking too. We will be younger on the Oline for sure with a QB starting with little to no experience. Not sticking with Crist or just rolling with AH was a losing deal all the way around.

But, here's hoping you are right. Because if you are not we are in some deep doo doo.
 
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