Ever wonder how Cal recruits well?

[jason_h537]

You descend on this board a couple times each day and carpet bomb every thread without reading virtually any of the posts therein. It's rude to insert yourself in a conversation without making an effort to determine what the conversation is about. It also makes you look stupid when you post irrelevant stuff.

So to answer your questions, I'm someone who's been involved in this thread since it was created, and I'm addressing you because you posted something completely irrelevant here. Do better next time.

So you live on this site and think that makes you the homeowner. Again, go **** yourself and never respond to me again.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

Just saying that as a UC they can accept borderline kids as long as they meet UC standards. Unlike Notre Dame or Stanford.

Not really understanding where you equate the U.C. system to some sort of "second tier", analogous to say, the state colleges. This is simply not the case.

Edit: Stated another way, meeting U.C. standards and being "borderline" are mutually exclusive.

 

[jason_h537]

Not really understanding where you equate the U.C. system to some sort of "second tier", analogous to say, the state colleges. This is simply not the case.

Edit: Stated another way, meeting U.C. standards and being "borderline" are mutually exclusive.

Did not say UC was second tier, and never would say that. Don't know where you got that from what I said?

 

[Andy in Sactown]

Did not say UC was second tier, and never would say that. Don't know where you got that from what I said?

Just saying that as a UC they can accept borderline kids as long as they meet UC standards. Unlike Notre Dame or Stanford.

From here. The U.C. system has many campus' who's academic distinctions are of the highest order. Inferring "UC standards" are a low bar is tantamount to calling them second tier.

 

[jason_h537]

From here. The U.C. system has many campus' who's academic distinctions are of the highest order. Inferring "UC standards" are a low bar is tantamount to calling them second tier.

UC standards are lower than ND's, Stanfords, Northwestern etc. Berkley can accept athletes that could not be accepted into other schools their equivalent.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

UC standards are lower than ND's, Stanfords, Northwestern etc. Berkley can accept athletes that could not be accepted into other schools their equivalent.

I disagree. Seems like it's time for one of us to substantiate our respective positions.

Edit: "UC standards" is a misnomer. Since they are a baseline for all U.C. campus'. Each respective school has additional requirements. For the sake of scope, comparisons should be made to U.C. Berkeley admissions; after all it's Cal recruiting we're talking about.

 

[jason_h537]

I disagree. Seems like it's time for one of us to substantiate our respective positions.

Edit: "UC standards" is a misnomer. Since they are a baseline for all U.C. campus'. Each respective school has additional requirements. For the sake of scope, comparisons should be made to U.C. Berkeley admissions; after all it's Cal recruiting we're talking about.

But that is what I was saying. There are Berkley standards and general UC standards, but as long as an athlete meets those UC standards, Cal would accept them if they wanted to.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

But that is what I was saying. There are Berkley standards and general UC standards, but as long as an athlete meets those UC standards, Cal would accept them if they wanted to.

You contradict yourself. If Berkeley accepts "UC standards" then "Berkeley standards" do not exist. This is not the case. Again, I defer to my last remarks. Looking for data as opposed to making blanket unsubstantiated statements.

 

[jason_h537]

You contradict yourself. If Berkeley accepts "UC standards" then "Berkeley standards" do not exist. This is not the case. Again, I defer to my last remarks. Looking for data as opposed to making blanket unsubstantiated statements.

How is that contradicting? ND has its general admission standards but have started accepting athletes who would not get in normally. That does not mean they do not have standards anymore. Just means they are willing to look away to benefit the football team. Cal has high admission standards but accepts kids that would never get in if it were not for football. Marshawn Lynch?

 

[Andy in Sactown]

Since you cannot follow context or logic I will let you have the last word and do something more productive. Previous posts speak for themselves.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Did you even read the article Lax linked the OP? This isn't a random "call Cal cheaters because they're recruiting well" thread.

I agree with you here bro. He didn't even read the article and just wants to spew crap out of his mouth.

 

[Rhode Irish]

This might be unpopular, and I hate to take sides against my guy whiskey, but with respect to the argument between andyinsactown and jason_h, I'm going to have to jump in in jason's side. I'm not sure what is difficult to understand about jason's position. He is saying that Cal Berkeley can accept football players that normally wouldn't get into school there under normal circumstances because they can use the baseline of the whole State University system. Since Cal is a top tier school in the same league as ND an Stanford, but other schools in the system aren't, that gives Cal an advantage over ND an Stanford in terms of getting athletes into school.

Now, I cannot say if what jason is saying I true. I literally have no idea. But Andy, you seem confused about he is sayin and you're attacking the logic of it, but I think you're missing something. Putting aside whether or not it's true, it certainly isn't confusing.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

The difference between state admissions standards and Berkeley admission standards is huge. The fact that schools, Cal and Notre Dame included make provisions for student-athletes they recruit is universally understood.

What I took issue with was inferring U.C. Berkeley's admission standards were lower than ours, thus they can accept people that we would not. I'd like to see some data before making blanket statements one way or the either.

Seems like people refer to U.C. Berkeley as Berkeley in academic discussions and Cal in football related matters. Wonder if a predisposition to think of them in lower academic esteem stems from this sort of duality. Food for thought.

 

[NDPhilly]

The difference between state admissions standards and Berkeley admission standards is huge. The fact that schools, Cal and Notre Dame included make provisions for student-athletes they recruit is universally understood.

What I took issue with was inferring Cal's admissions were lower than ours. I'd like to see some data before making blanket statements one way or the either.

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[Andy in Sactown]

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This is from wikipedia so TIFWIW, "In an online video posted in February 2008, Lynch implies he maintained a 3.8 GPA during his time at Cal.". He also did not graduate, electing to skip his senior season for the NFL Draft.

I don't know if he majored in underwater basket weaving, and by the clip he certainly does not exude "Academic All-American", but this still isn't the data I alluded to...

 

[kmoose]

The difference between state admissions standards and Berkeley admission standards is huge.

I think what they are trying to say, Andy, is that while UC Berkeley has higher standards than many of the other UC schools, if they have an athlete that they really want, they can choose to admit him based on the lower "generic" UC systemwide standards, which are set so that students can get into the schools with the lowest standards.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

This might be unpopular, and I hate to take sides against my guy whiskey...

Haven't weighed in on this debate, Rhode. My argument with jason was over his penchant for posting in threads without reading what they're about.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

I think what they are trying to say, Andy, is that while UC Berkeley has higher standards than many of the other UC schools, if they have an athlete that they really want, they can choose to admit him based on the lower "generic" UC systemwide standards, which are set so that students can get into the schools with the lowest standards.

Good summary of what is in contention. I understood the assertion, but do we know as fact that this is the case?

Edit: By case I mean a potential recruit does not meet Berkeley standards, but is admitted because he meets the base U.C. requirements (which I did not think existed except for a baseline for all admissions UC wide and transfer agreements with local community colleges).

 

[kmoose]

Good summary of what is in contention. I understood the assertion, but do we know as fact that this is the case?

I don't know. What were we talking about? Was a hell of a night at work and my brain is telling me it's bedtime.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Haven't weighed in on this debate, Rhode. My argument with jason was over his penchant for posting in threads without reading what they're about.

I know but you guys were going at it earlier. Don't like to take sides against the family. Haha.

 

[General Colon Bowel]

C'mon guys. I think Marshawn Lych videos are enough evidence that Cal does in fact lower their standards for football players. No need to go digging up data and statistics, I'm sure that most Cal football players are more intelligent than the average college football player. But still there are exceptions...
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[Andy in Sactown]

Kind of a broad generalization that doesn't answer the good questions prose. I thought doing that was a bad idea...

I'd personally like to know the standards Cal uses to admit it's student athletes. This discussion has quipped my interest. Anyone in the know?

 

[military_irish]

Marshawn Lynch may not give great interviews or can talk "proper" but he is a hell of a ball player.

Just thought I would throw in 2 irrelevant cents.


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[Andy in Sactown]

Did a little googling in an attempt to see exactly where a deviation existed between the previously asserted Cal football player admission standards v. U.C. Berkeley general admission standards. While there is no data on the present academic year, Cal voluntarily participated in a 2008 study which documented the statistics on so called, "special admits".

The study results can be found here.

Some notables from the study,

“California in 2004 reported that 95 percent of its freshman football players on scholarship were special admits,” Alesia writes, “compared with 2 percent of the student body.

“California said all special admits had just below a 2.8 GPA.”

So there you have it folks! Still doesn't give us a direct comparison since we'd have to directly compare admissions policies, but at least it's some data.