ND Standards V. Football Standards

[magogian]

Slacker is the wrong word, maybe I should have used 'not smart enough.'

Your generalization is quite offensive.

 

[irishff1014]

Most states only require you to take 1 foreign langauge

 

[jimmymac]

The fact of the matter is that both cases have legitimate points. Yes, ND is an academic institution, and a highly regarded one at that. One the same token, the main reason it has such prestige is because of its successful football team; without its football history, I would argue that this great institution would not be so "great." Sure, it would still be successful, but it would probably be a lot more similar to BC than what is currently ND. So how can we solve this problem? Draw a line. This is what the administration has done, and it appears the line is pretty favorable to the football coaches in getting their kids in. Its not like the coaches dont know what the restrictions are. If the kids doesnt meet the requirements, well, too bad, they are lenient enough. There's a reason we are #1 in graduation rates. Having said that, I still believe there needs to be better communication between the coaching staff and the admissions office.

 

[DillonHall]

Your generalization is quite offensive.

It is what it is; not everyone is smart enough to get accepted to ND. The average ACT is 32-34; that's within the 99th percentile in the country.

 

[magogian]

It is what it is; not everyone is smart enough to get accepted to ND. The average ACT is 32-34; that's within the 99th percentile in the country.

How dare those less intelligent people sully your conception of Notre Dame.

 

[irishtrain]

Precisely what I've been saying for years. Its why you'll watch the SEC dominate college football. These guys are there to entertain and win games on Saturday. There are about 25 schools that should just form their own conference of student athlete college experience. The rest of college football can do what they want. Hell- these guys are pros -lets call it like it is. Although I hate this NC rematch my hope is that the rest of college football decides to bring 'em in like the SEC or that all the other presidents complain enough to bring the playing field back to even. The way it is now really sucks. Hopefully this rematch game will bring about some changes-if not college football goes away for me except for watching Notre Dame. I'm damn tired of the charade put on by some of these schools and the SEC in particular.

 

[BeauBenken]

So somehow my posts in the Rios thread inadvertently started this? Ay caramba!

 

[returnofthemack]

'11 grad and what DillonHall said is mostly true. There are very few football players that could have qualified under the same admissions guidelines as we normal students did. Also, our culture of athlete worship fosters their belief that they don't need to try hard in school to succeed. The "they don't have time to study because they played sports in high school" argument is bs. In a recent poll, 80% of ND students said they played a varsity sport, and I think 70% of those were captains. But like I said, most of the football recruits come from big-time prep football schools, and realize they don't need to try as hard.

As a huge DISCLAIMER: I don't give half a damn what their grades and test scores are as long as they graduate. That's what matters.

 

[returnofthemack]

Also, I don't really know what context the foreign language requirement was brought up in, but I know that for Pre-Med and the majority of other majors (except for engineering, I think), you need to reach an intermediate level of at least one language.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I agree. You don't have to be all that smart to pass those admissions as far as football goes... I think it's really sad that a lot of kids can't get in. It tells you something about society. I mean a 2.8 at most of these guys high school is a joke. It's not like they are going to Andover Academy...

Andover sucks (spent three years at Deerfield...)

 

[kmoose]

So somehow my posts in the Rios thread inadvertently started this? Ay caramba!

Please step aside for additional screening, Sir.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I say get rid of it. I'd hate for alums such as yourself be embarrassed by those that represent the Lady On The Dome who obviously aren't up to snuff.

Obviously, that wasn't his point. But ND does not only have a reputation of an elite academic school- it has the classes to back it up. ND's admissions standards for football players are approximately this: is there reason to believe that, with a lot of effort and help from student tutors, the player has a reasonable chance to graduate from the University. If the answer to that is no, then the University would be doing the person a disservice by admitting them. It's not exactly a secret that most football players at ND already are the equivalent of single-a ball players playing in the majors when it comes to the classroom. The university simply can't lower the bar any further and expect its student-athletes to be legitimate members of the college community.

That being said, all of that is in general. I don't know what the deal is with this specific situation, it's hugely disappointing though if it's just a matter of checking the right boxes. That being said, there's got to be some responsibility on the student too: you want to go to ND, you find out what needs to be done to get there. It's not like the information is a state secret.

 

[kmoose]

Obviously, that wasn't his point. But ND does not only have a reputation of an elite academic school- it has the classes to back it up. ND's admissions standards for football players are approximately this: is there reason to believe that, with a lot of effort and help from student tutors, the player has a reasonable chance to graduate from the University. If the answer to that is no, then the University would be doing the person a disservice by admitting them. It's not exactly a secret that most football players at ND already are the equivalent of single-a ball players playing in the majors when it comes to the classroom. The university simply can't lower the bar any further and expect its student-athletes to be legitimate members of the college community.

That being said, all of that is in general. I don't know what the deal is with this specific situation, it's hugely disappointing though if it's just a matter of checking the right boxes. That being said, there's got to be some responsibility on the student too: you want to go to ND, you find out what needs to be done to get there. It's not like the information is a state secret.

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[tadman95]

'11 grad and what DillonHall said is mostly true. There are very few football players that could have qualified under the same admissions guidelines as we normal students did. Also, our culture of athlete worship fosters their belief that they don't need to try hard in school to succeed. The "they don't have time to study because they played sports in high school" argument is bs. In a recent poll, 80% of ND students said they played a varsity sport, and I think 70% of those were captains. But like I said, most of the football recruits come from big-time prep football schools, and realize they don't need to try as hard.

As a huge DISCLAIMER: I don't give half a damn what their grades and test scores are as long as they graduate. That's what matters.

Exactly. We're all born with different abilities. Let's face it, some kids grow up where their scholastic abilities aren't developed. If a kid has the desire and the abilities to do the work, you have to consider them. I do qualify that with there has to be minimums.