Switch to the option or change the requirements for players to get in.

[aubeirish]

You don't think Kelly knows that? haha ~20% of the plays will have option built into them should Hendrix assume the roll of starting QB.

I'm sure he does lol. I just felt like using the word glorious.

 

[jason_h537]

Stanford is really a perinial top contencer. Watch BCS footbal much They are hugely overaveted and will lose to many a quality opponent. We actually hired their coach once omg.

Stanford is going to back to back BCS games. Besides Oregon, they have beaten down every team they have faced for 2 years. Plus Harbaugh seems to be doing pretty well in SF.

As for the Stanford hire ND made, ND hired a Nortwestern coach once that worked out, so should they only hire Northwestern coaches?

The academic thing is an excuse people use because there have been poor coaching hires.

 

[BMT]

As one prior poster said we could use a little more attitude or I am gone kick but and then tell you about it, too many softies- how bout 5-6 Aaron Lynch motors and attitudes on both sides of ball= Ws all the time>

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

As one prior poster said we could use a little more attitude or I am gone kick but and then tell you about it, too many softies- how bout 5-6 Aaron Lynch motors and attitudes on both sides of ball= Ws all the time>

This just gave me a seizure.

 

[Riddickulous]

WTF is this?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

WTF is this?

To what are you protesting?

 

[Riddickulous]

To what are you protesting?

This thread, man.

The option? What?

 

[phork]

Ask Paul Johnson how great it is running the ACC with the Triple-O... Oh wait.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

This thread, man.

The option? What?

Got it...Probably easier to say that than post a vague statement which no one understands.

 

[IrishinSyria]

This thread is ridiculous. Notre Dame>football.

Also, ND already does drop the standards for athletes. They go about as low as they possibly can and still reasonably expect the athletes to complete the curriculum. Believe me, last thing the Irish need is to be relying on someone who fails out.

I feel like we beat this one to death just about every year. Nice touch adding the option.

 

[DillonHall]

It's going to be a long few months until Spring Game...

Haha, exactly.

 

[IrishLax]

I wish this thread was broken in half....

1) ND does not need to "lower their standards" to compete. Period. Would it make it easier? Sure. USC, Michigan, etc. all take JUCOs. But it's not what's holding us back. If there is one singular change ND needs to make to the way they "run things" it's to dumb down the schedule or join a conference like the ACC. We'd win 9+ games every year.

2) The option does and would work. Oregon basically runs a read-option attack (obviously, I am grossly simplifying and misstating on some levels what they do... but most of their plays have an option component) and it torches teams. Air Force and Navy routinely light teams up with very little offensive talent through scheme alone. I have no doubt if you took the ND defense and gave them a highly skilled dual-threat QB, along with physical WRs a la Michael Floyd, and road-grader type offensive linemen it would demolish teams. The problem is it's very, VERY hard to recruit Michael Floyds or QBs who want to be in the NFL some day to come play in that kind of offense.

I believe next year if Golson or Hendrix gets the nod you will see significant option components added to this offense.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

Stanford is going to back to back BCS games. Besides Oregon, they have beaten down every team they have faced for 2 years. Plus Harbaugh seems to be doing pretty well in SF.

As for the Stanford hire ND made, ND hired a Nortwestern coach once that worked out, so should they only hire Northwestern coaches?

The academic thing is an excuse people use because there have been poor coaching hires.

While I don't agree with this thread I do agree with him that Stanford is not the best example to use. Let's take a took at their records of recent history.

2011: 11-1
2010: 12-1
2009: 8-5
2008: 5-7
2007: 4-8
2006: 1-11
2005: 5-6
2004: 4-7
2003: 4-7
2002: 2-9
2001: 9-3
2000: 5-6

Have they been good the last two years? Yes. Does it look good compared to where we've been? Yes. Have they beaten us? Yes. But to say Stanford has overcome academic standards for a sustainable period of time is just not true as their records show. They're Johny come lately's.

Also, its important to note they did this with arguably the best QB in CFB and in a weak conference with USC being down and weak out of conference schedule. And the BCS bowl win was against Vtech. I guess a win is a win but Vtech finished ranked #16.

 

[NDFan537]

While I don't agree with this thread I do agree with him that Stanford is not the best example to use. Let's take a took at their records of recent history.

2011: 11-1
2010: 12-1
2009: 8-5
2008: 5-7
2007: 4-8
2006: 1-11
2005: 5-6
2004: 4-7
2003: 4-7
2001: 9-3
2000: 5-6

Have they been good the last two years? Yes. Does it look good compared to where we've been? Yes. Have they beaten us? Yes. But to say Stanford has overcome academic standards for a sustainable period of time is just not true as their records show. They're Johny come lately's.

Also, its important to note they did this with arguably the best QB in CFB and in a weak conference with USC being down and weak out of conference schedule. And the BCS bowl win was against Vtech. I guess a win is a win but Vtech finished ranked #16.

Did Stanford not have an '02 season? Just wondering seemed a little odd you skipped one. Nice point though.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Stanford is really a perinial top contencer. Watch BCS footbal much They are hugely overaveted and will lose to many a quality opponent. We actually hired their coach once omg.

Did you really just say that all Stanford coaches are equal?

 

[NDOM]

Notre Dame will be an 8-4, 7-5, 9-3,10-2,6-6,7-5,8-4 team on a consistent basis because of the academic requirements. No GOOD coach wants to even touch this place with a ten foot poll because they know they just simply cant get the talent they need to succeed because of admissions.

YOU know it and I know it so just admit it.

SEC recruits speed speed speed. Notre Dame there is hardly any speed. We ALWAYS get smoked by speed and athletism.

Until the day comes to where Notre Dame lowers the standards then just expect to be an average/mediocre football team. But hey, I have been used to this since 1996!

Oh, and it will help if we join a conference. Does not help the fact that we have usually the toughest schedule year in and year out.

 

[IrishLax]

Notre Dame will be an 8-4, 7-5, 9-3,10-2,6-6,7-5,8-4 team on a consistent basis because of the academic requirements. No GOOD coach wants to even touch this place with a ten foot poll because they know they just simply cant get the talent they need to succeed because of admissions.

YOU know it and I know it so just admit it.

SEC recruits speed speed speed. Notre Dame there is hardly any speed. We ALWAYS get smoked by speed and athletism.

Until the day comes to where Notre Dame lowers the standards then just expect to be an average/mediocre football team. But hey, I have been used to this since 1996!

Oh, and it will help if we join a conference. Does not help the fact that we have usually the toughest schedule year in and year out.

Yeah, like how Harbaugh took a doormat 2 win Stanford team to being a 12 win powerhouse? No "good" coach ever wants to touch a program with academic standards...

NDOM's old, tired, stale and wrong rhetoric Take #129832.

 

[koonja]

We offer almost all of the top players in the country every year.

 

[anarin]

This thread makes me wanna drink at 11am on a non football weekend.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

Did Stanford not have an '02 season? Just wondering seemed a little odd you skipped one. Nice point though.

User error. They were 2-9 in 2002.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

Yeah, like how Harbaugh took a doormat 2 win Stanford team to being a 12 win powerhouse? No "good" coach ever wants to touch a program with academic standards...

NDOM's old, tired, stale and wrong rhetoric Take #129832.

Before Stanford Harbaugh was at USD. He was an up and comer. I think what NDOM is trying to say is that a coach from a already top tier program isn't going to make the switch to ND. During the last coaching change a lot of people wanted Stoops and let's admit that was a pipe dream.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

We offer almost all of the top players in the country every year.

Offering is one thing. Getting them to South Ben is another. BK is doing a great job so far. I still think he need's 4-5 years to really get this program humming along again.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

LOL first of all, the academic standards have dropped since Monk Malloy was let go. Malloy tightend them up on Holtz, and they resumed until 2006. In 1988 the standards weren't the same as they were in 2004.

The standards are a myth. I've got 2 cousins who are big time Alums. They both said the decision was made to make ND more competitive again, and allowing players that will let ND compete. Thats why we are seeing the ND brand being heavily marketed again.

They laugh every time someone brings that excuse to the table, its simply not true. My cousin was their during the Weis years, and she said that some of the players were wellllllll below the standard for the rest of the student body. They are offered countless resources to pass/graduate, and they do.

ND has gotten the top players year after year. Prior to BK, we had a coach who decided it was best to ignore the defensive side of the ball. If Weis had our present defense with his offenses...ND very well may have won a national championship.

BK is building the team from the ground up, it is going to take time to bring in the players. But he is doing it. What hurts ND is that they can't take junior college transfers to load up their roster. It will take ND longer to bring in their players because they have to do it through conventional recruiting. But when ND gets to the point its looking for, theyll reload. It just takes time to build that foundation.

ND will never go 6-6 under Brian Kelly. Unless something ridiculous happens like half the defense gets hurt or the offensive line gets polio.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Offering is one thing. Getting them to South Ben is another. BK is doing a great job so far. I still think he need's 4-5 years to really get this program humming along again.

4-5 years from now? Or 4-5 years total? Ill agree that he needs 4-5 total, if he gets the QB settled this coming season, and keeps bringing in the talent he has been all while being conscious on need rather then star rating, he will field a damn good team in 2013...2014...etc

 

[IrishinSyria]

LOL first of all, the academic standards have dropped since Monk Malloy was let go. Malloy tightend them up on Holtz, and they resumed until 2006. In 1988 the standards weren't the same as they were in 2004.

The standards are a myth. I've got 2 cousins who are big time Alums. They both said the decision was made to make ND more competitive again, and allowing players that will let ND compete. Thats why we are seeing the ND brand being heavily marketed again.

They laugh every time someone brings that excuse to the table, its simply not true. My cousin was their during the Weis years, and she said that some of the players were wellllllll below the standard for the rest of the student body. They are offered countless resources to pass/graduate, and they do.

ND has gotten the top players year after year. Prior to BK, we had a coach who decided it was best to ignore the defensive side of the ball. If Weis had our present defense with his offenses...ND very well may have won a national championship.

BK is building the team from the ground up, it is going to take time to bring in the players. But he is doing it. What hurts ND is that they can't take junior college transfers to load up their roster. It will take ND longer to bring in their players because they have to do it through conventional recruiting. But when ND gets to the point its looking for, theyll reload. It just takes time to build that foundation.

ND will never go 6-6 under Brian Kelly. Unless something ridiculous happens like half the defense gets hurt or the offensive line gets polio.

That is a bold statement. Besides that, I agree with pretty much everything you said.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

4-5 years from now? Or 4-5 years total? Ill agree that he needs 4-5 total, if he gets the QB settled this coming season, and keeps bringing in the talent he has been all while being conscious on need rather then star rating, he will field a damn good team in 2013...2014...etc

yeah 4-5 years total.

he's in year 2 of 5 for me. with how nd operates (honors scholly's, no juco's etc) it takes at least that long for a guy like Kelly to implement his changes. i'am disappointed we couldn't make the BCS this yr, but i will be even more so 2 years from now if we miss out.

 

[kmoose]

LO

The standards are a myth.

Yes and no. While it's true that you don't have to be a rocket scientist, if you are a 4 or 5* football recruit, you still have to perform academically, once you get on campus. I think that this is the "standards" that most people are referring to. These kids have to know that as much if not more will be expected of them in the classroom, as on the field. I think that turns away some of the more talented guys who only view college as a showcase for their football talents, on their way to the NFL. Some of them are used to skating by, and I think the idea of actually having to work on academics bothers them to the point where they decide to go somewhere else. I'm not saying that I would want those guys at ND, in the first place, but I do think it lends credence to the idea that ND's standards limit their ability to recruit.

But the bottom line is that ND can still get enough talented football players, who are also talented students, to compete at the highest level.

 

[GreatGolson]

I'm sorry, but I don't get why the option would somehow make us a good team? if we are supposedly undersized, then what about undersized teams like Boise State? they've won BCS bowl games with a spread system

 

[micks60]

Stanford is really a perinial top contencer. Watch BCS footbal much They are hugely overaveted and will lose to many a quality opponent. We actually hired their coach once omg.

You just showed how uneducated you are. How is Stanford not good? Maybe really good. They are top ten for sure. How is this not a contender.

Anyhow the triple option is dead. Also how is it going to fixnour issue, we have had the talent. Just not developing it. How is this a good idea?

Only reason it ever works is because teams do not see it much or are undisciplined. When is the last time a good team won consistently with the triple option against good teams?

Nebraska.

Never happening again.

Explain why the triple option will work. Details on how to run it and why it is effective. Since you feel so strongly on this. I would love to talk x and o? Veer or midline?

 

[phgreek]

...this made for stimilating conversation;

I understand the view that since the NCAA allows the big football programs to basically serve as the NFL minor league, why wouldn't we do that.

Let me ask you a seemingly unrelated question. Why do you think ND fans are so invested in their sports programs. In comparison to other sports why are the football fans more animated than supporters of the other ND sports...

To me, to stand with ND means believing its not worth it unless you do it the right way. As relates to football, there are so many programs doing it the wrong way, it makes us that much more invested in rooting this team to success...To me rooting for ND directly translates to who I "root for" and support in life...folks who do it the right way. So then, to me, this school, its programs, and in particular, this program are transcendant...wouldn't trade it or being a fan for anything.

...Well, and to me standing with ND is simultaneously jamming my thumb in the eye of USC, Texas, and all the other NFL minor league programs as well as the NCAA for being complete failures in seeking their own damned vision with vigor.

As for the option scheme...see, I think BK has it. He has a framework that encompasses the option, but also allows him to do so much more...He can recruit just about any style of kid with talent, and plug him in...tweek some things and go. Why would you want to have a specific identify other than a winner...as many have said, offenses come and go, Kelly has shown a willingness, and some competence at tailoring his scheme to what he's got...I like that.

I liked the question...not the least offended or frustrated you dared post such blasphemy.

On a general note...seems like PM would be a great place for criticism of the appropriateness of a subject/thread lest ye be a mod. If a crappy thread is sin, to perpetuate it through constant B1tchy posts is sinX10.