Lsu vs Alabama rematch?

[calvegas04]

Would you watch? I for one would not... first game was garbage

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Absolutely. I missed the first one because of ND/WF

 

[CanadianIrishFan306]

I wouldn't and i find it dumb to play again because if LSU wins then people will complain that another team didn't get a shot and the first game wasn't the most exciting game in the world

 

[anarin]

Depends on what else is on the tube that night.

 

[Carlyle Javar Holiday]

Would rather watch The View than that game again.

 

[irishtrain]

Absolutely. I missed the first one because of ND/WF

My thoughts are there is no way you can tell me in the modern college football game that any conference has the 3 top teams. Thats bull#$%@. Furthermore they already played each other. Its beyond me that the bcs process can vote in teams that already played each other with no regard to the other conferences/who they played/weather/style of play/field conditions/shall I go on. Its $$$$$ and media hyped and it stinks to high heaven. I would wager big $$$$ that if you had a playoff system in place these 2 teams would NOT make it back to the last game. Bring back the days of open bowl bids and let the chips fall where they may, hell Alabama will find a way to claim another national championship anyway so whats the point. This just in-sometimes over thinking the room is not the best answer. Like I said a month ago if I wanted to watch pros play I'll watch on Sunday.

 

[Veer option]

Sounds like a snooze fest much like the last game.

 

[AlbuquerqueIrishFan]

it will be boring as hell. No fair to LSU unless they play a tiebreaker.

 

[4irishnation]

Can watch it in 2 weeks when the Bears play the Broncos. <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/RFZrzg62Zj0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

[JoeyGetherall]

Really, first game was garbage?

I guess big, fast, nasty defenses that fly around and knock heads off don't interest you guys?

Maybe they should leave LSU out and have Oregon take on OklaSt.

 

[phork]

My thoughts are there is no way you can tell me in the modern college football game that any conference has the 3 top teams. Thats bull#$%@. Furthermore they already played each other. Its beyond me that the bcs process can vote in teams that already played each other with no regard to the other conferences/who they played/weather/style of play/field conditions/shall I go on. Its $$$$$ and media hyped and it stinks to high heaven. I would wager big $$$$ that if you had a playoff system in place these 2 teams would NOT make it back to the last game. Bring back the days of open bowl bids and let the chips fall where they may, hell Alabama will find a way to claim another national championship anyway so whats the point. This just in-sometimes over thinking the room is not the best answer. Like I said a month ago if I wanted to watch pros play I'll watch on Sunday.

I guess those other teams shouldn't lose? Bamas only loss was to LSU... You know, the #1 undefeated team in the land? By 3 points...

Really, first game was garbage?

I guess big, fast, nasty defenses that fly around and knock heads off don't interest you guys?

Maybe they should leave LSU out and have Oregon take on OklaSt.

Yah I don't get it. We have been so devoid of defense in SouthBend I guess we forget what it really is.

 

[IrishLax]

Makes no sense at all to have a rematch. Why? Because assuming LSU beats Arkansas and then plays in the SEC championship:

1. LSU will have finished the season unscathed, playing a harder schedule than Alabama, and have one less loss.
2. Alabama won't even have won their half of a conference.
3. LSU will have already beaten Alabama.

So even if Alabama won the "national title game" OBJECTIVELY LSU would STILL be the best team on paper. They would have split their head-to-head games 1-1 with LSU playing a tougher schedule AND winning one more game (the SEC championship game).

In other words, a rematch would be total bullsh*t. Assuming an Oklahoma State victory over Oklahoma they deserve to be in. Things get trickier if Oklahoma State loses because Virginia Tech is the only other team that could reasonably win their conference and have a case with one loss... and their schedule was just LOL level easy. Stanford won't win their conference barring an Oregon collapse, and the winner of the Big Ten and Big East conferences will each have multiple losses.

 

[INLaw]

No Undefeated Houston Love in here..I know they play "nobody" in the weak "conference usa" but I have trouble with any team in the FBS that could ever win all of its games in a season and not even get to sniff the championship..What other major sport does that happen in?

 

[JoeyGetherall]

No Undefeated Houston Love in here..I know they play "nobody" in the weak "conference usa" but I have trouble with any team in the FBS that could ever win all of its games in a season and not even get to sniff the championship..What other major sport does that happen in?

uuuhhhh yyyeeaaahhh no haha

 

[Carlyle Javar Holiday]

Really, first game was garbage?

I guess big, fast, nasty defenses that fly around and knock heads off don't interest you guys?

Maybe they should leave LSU out and have Oregon take on OklaSt.

I mean come on. I would much rather see an 80 yard TD pass than a 3 and out. In the first game, I don't recall a single huge hit. Most of the time they are loading 8-9 players in the box to stop the run.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

Makes no sense at all to have a rematch. Why? Because assuming LSU beats Arkansas and then plays in the SEC championship:

1. LSU will have finished the season unscathed, playing a harder schedule than Alabama, and have one less loss.
2. Alabama won't even have won their half of a conference.
3. LSU will have already beaten Alabama.

So even if Alabama won the "national title game" OBJECTIVELY LSU would STILL be the best team on paper. They would have split their head-to-head games 1-1 with LSU playing a tougher schedule AND winning one more game (the SEC championship game).

In other words, a rematch would be total bullsh*t. Assuming an Oklahoma State victory over Oklahoma they deserve to be in. Things get trickier if Oklahoma State loses because Virginia Tech is the only other team that could reasonably win their conference and have a case with one loss... and their schedule was just LOL level easy. Stanford won't win their conference barring an Oregon collapse, and the winner of the Big Ten and Big East conferences will each have multiple losses.

Couple of things.

You discount Vtech because of their schedule but OklaSt.'s schedule hasn't been exactly murders row. They were in the driver's seat to play in BCS and let it get away with a loss against Iowa St... yes Iowa St. So in order for them to jump Bama they really have to put it too OU due to the lack of a Big 12 Championship game this year. If they do that than yes put them in.

As for Alabama personally I think the polls are right in having them be the second best team in the country. If they had a kicker they beat LSU the first time around... and if Arkansas does beat LSU watch out cause all hell will break loose. I am actually hoping that happens cause maybe, just maybe than we will have a playoff.

 

[calvegas04]

Oregon was able to put up more points on LSU than bama... bama's offense isn't championship material

 

[NDPhilly]

Does anyone actually think Arkansas is the 3rd best team In the country? I'm not sure if there in the top 10

 

[CanadianIrishFan306]

Does anyone actually think Arkansas is the 3rd best team In the country? I'm not sure if there in the top 10

Nope i feel OSU should be third

 

[military_irish]

I could care less about LSU but it is not fair to them to play the same team over again. If they have already beat them. That is what is great about the college game, the whole season is a playoff. Just win and you are in.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Two best teams in the country: LSU and Alabama.

 

[BGIF]

Couple of things.

You discount Vtech because of their schedule but OklaSt.'s schedule hasn't been exactly murders row. They were in the driver's seat to play in BCS and let it get away with a loss against Iowa St... yes Iowa St. So in order for them to jump Bama they really have to put it too OU due to the lack of a Big 12 Championship game this year. If they do that than yes put them in.

As for Alabama personally I think the polls are right in having them be the second best team in the country. If they had a kicker they beat LSU the first time around... and if Arkansas does beat LSU watch out cause all hell will break loose. I am actually hoping that happens cause maybe, just maybe than we will have a playoff.

You may want to rethink that schedule comment. According to Sagarin:
VT has the 57th toughest schedule at 69.47
OK St 7th toughest, 79.69
Bama 24th 74.04
LSU 25th 73.46

OK St in more than 10 points tougher than VT. More than 5-1/2 points tougher than Bama's.


On the other point:
Bama's kicker is 14-18, 77.8%. That's HIGHER than ND's John Carney. Bama has a kicker, a good one. He didn't get in done in the big game but they still have a good kicker.

Do you really want to play the what IF Bama had a kicker card? On a comparative scale, Bama's kicker is head and shoulders better than the fumbling, interception throwing PAIR of QB's ND has started. IF EITHER of them had the equivalent efficency, ND would be neck and neck with LSU.

 

[BGIF]

Joey G,

As a followup, Sagarin ranks the Big 12 has having the toughest conference by more than 5 points over the SEC.

Sagarin's Top 10 Toughest Schedules are:
Oklahoma State 7
Oklahoma 6
Texas A&M 3
Kansas State 5
Missouri 2
Baylor 4
Texas 9
Iowa State 8
Texas Tech 10
Kansas 1

All in the same conference.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

Joey G,

As a followup, Sagarin ranks the Big 12 has having the toughest conference by more than 5 points over the SEC.

Sagarin's Top 10 Toughest Schedules are:
Oklahoma State 7
Oklahoma 6
Texas A&M 3
Kansas State 5
Missouri 2
Baylor 4
Texas 9
Iowa State 8
Texas Tech 10
Kansas 1

All in the same conference.

Wow I am surprised to hear that. I wonder how some of these things are rated though. Like does it take into account the teams record when you played them or their current record as it stands. For instance when OU beat FSU when they were what 5th? FSU is obviously not the 5th best team in the country now. Also, I my personal opinion is that the Big 12 has been jocked by voters all year. TAMU, Kstate, and Texas have received and still receiving way too much love. Is this because other FBS giants are down (OSU, Mich, Miami, Fla, USC unable to be ranked etc.)? Just a thought.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

I mean come on. I would much rather see an 80 yard TD pass than a 3 and out. In the first game, I don't recall a single huge hit. Most of the time they are loading 8-9 players in the box to stop the run.

There were a few. Plus LSU front 7 played out of their minds. Holding Bama's running attack under 100 yds!? That's impressive. Also, both secondaries made some really great plays on the ball. Maybe some of us have lost an eye for that because we're watching Gary Gray haha.

I would watch a rematch.

 

[BGIF]

Wow I am surprised to hear that. I wonder how some of these things are rated though. Like does it take into account the teams record when you played them or their current record as it stands. For instance when OU beat FSU when they were what 5th? FSU is obviously not the 5th best team in the country now. Also, I my personal opinion is that the Big 12 has been jocked by voters all year. TAMU, Kstate, and Texas have received and still receiving way too much love. Is this because other FBS giants are down (OSU, Mich, Miami, Fla, USC unable to be ranked etc.)? Just a thought.

I was surprised also. Sagarin's rating are tied into everybody in FBS and FCS. He has 3 Models for ranking teams and 1 for ranking schedules. His "Elo-Chess" Model looks at Wins and Losses without considering Margin of Victory, MOV. The BCS uses Elo-Chess in their rankings (despite Sagarin telling them it's the leas accurate). Sagarin considers his "Predictor" Model his most accurate it includes Wins and Loss and Margin of Victory. He has a middle of the road model simple called "Rating" which is the average of his Elo-Chess and Predictor models.

Once upon a time I knew his methodology for Sagarin's Stength of Schedule but I've forgotten. It's a running average of the teams that you have faced to date and it changes weekly as all of your opponents change. Last week ND had the 25th toughest schedule before playing BC. After BC, ND's SOS dropped to 36. After the SU game it will rise. It will rise more if most of ND's opponents wins as it reflects their success.

Back to the Big 12/SEC. The SEC gets the 2 higher ranked teams but the Big 12 and 4 teams ranked higher than ARK and has fewer at the bottom. If Texas Tech wins it's last game the Big 12 will have 9 bowl teams with only KU ineligible. MISS and UK are already bowl ineligible. MSST, VU, and UTN all need to win this week to get their 6th win.

 

[BobD]

Two best teams in the country: LSU and Alabama.

I would say two best defenses in the country.

 

[DillonHall]

I wish we didn't have a rematch, but Alabama is the most deserving 1 loss team when you consider the loss.

 

[BobD]

How about if Arkansas beats LSU? What do you guys think should happen then?

 

[ndfi78]

I would not watch it, it would be a joke.