Joe Montana apparently isn't happy

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NDMontana said:
Well, I live in Montana and have a relative coaching at Montana. First, Nate Montana is third string. Second, Nate Montana was charged with DUI on his second day on campus. Third, Nate Montana, from what I hear from kids from my town at UM, is an entitled, self-important little pric*.
So Joe is mad that his spoiled kid, who is riding his coat tails, didn't get a shot at starting QB job at ND when he isn't good enough to start at FCS Montana?
Coupled with his remarks about Rudy from a few years ago, I am starting to realize that Joe is:
A. Not an ND Man (no offense Michigan Men)
B. Is an a$$hole
C. Produced kids that are trying but are utterly incapable of living up to his reputation. The one at UW was supposed to be the man, right? Isn't he a sophomore riding the pine behind a sophomore?
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Where abouts are you from in Montana im from Sidney
 
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if anything, i'd go by begginstrips
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Those things rule... The canine's equivalent of meth.

Joe needs to take a step back and look at things objectively... He's obviously not in the frame of mind to do so now, but it needs to happen soon before he opens up his cake hole again.
 
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bigedefense said:
I think I understand what you are saying. I think you are saying that it would not be all warm and fuzzy, sitting by a campfire and singing koom-bye-ya (I have no idea how to spell that so I went with what I had). In that instance, no, I, as an 18 to 22 year old would not always like the atmosphere. However, Coach Kelly is there to do his best to bring this program back to prominence. His style is coarse. His methods tough. His results so far, pretty good. Is Notre Dame where we, the fans, want it to be? Of course not. But it sure beats where we had fallen. The athletes on this team are some of the brightest young minds in the world. The ones that were there know, while his methods are different, they will produce. The athletes he is bringing aboard are coming in knowing his ways and are going all in. I do not know Joe. I have read both good and bad on him. He is a father first. I respect him for that. I am just guessing, but probably Nate didn't like the harshness Coach Kelly directs at his Qb's. Nate probably felt picked on because NO ONE had ever talked to him like that. He, like most other kids, called dad when he was upset. All dads know the truth gets stretched a little when our kids are trying to get a little "sugar tit" (a Mississippi saying for sympathy) from the folks. If that was the case, I think Joe gave a very respectful answer. He didn't blast ND. He simply said it wasn't a good time. How could he jump at the idea of joining ND when lil Nate is still sniffling. Just my two cents. Not worth much as I am currently on a Morphine drip. (I was doing honey-do's last week & fell off the ladder. Had spinal fusion a few months ago & it broke everything in my lower back. Luckily it knocked me out, so I didn't move. I woke up last night to find out that we lost Saturday night. Oh yeah, and that there is a chance of some paralysis.)
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First of all, I hope you get better.

Second of all, your reading of what I was saying was absolutely wrong. It has nothing to do with Kelly yelling or being coarse. It has everything to do with feeling that a coach is honest with you and, above all else, has your back. Kelly knows how to say the right things to recruits, cameras, and fans, but I'm beginning to wonder if the players see him the same way.

I played NCAA hockey and I am an enlisted soldier, so I know what good tough leadership looks like. I have no problem with smoke sessions, yelling, or loss of PT- I've seen worse and am better for it. What I do have a problem with is a leader who puts his own interests in front of the people who go to battle for him. One I the reasons I supported CW till the end was that I got the impression his players felt he was that sort of guy. For whatever reason, I don't get that same impression about Kelly.

Edit: of course, NCAA D1 football is incredibly competitive and this could just be sour grapes. Ya know, what could Joe say, ND is amazing and my son sucks? No, he's a father first. Still-where there's smoke...
 
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We as people, in general tend to develop heroes that turn out to be lets just say "Not very nice people" That is because of what they did for our cause and their exploits and heroics. We can see their actions but can't see what kind of person they are. Many times famous people have been turned out to be this way. But that is what makes it special when you meet an a person of fame and they are so kind and appreciative. I can only defer to the opinions of people that have met Joe.

As far as the treatment Nate received, perhaps there is something we don't know about. There are always two sides to every story, and even Joe did not elaborate on the subject.
 
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IrishinSyria said:
Second of all, your reading of what I was saying was absolutely wrong. It has nothing to do with Kelly yelling or being coarse. It has everything to do with feeling that a coach is honest with you and, above all else, has your back. Kelly knows how to say the right things to recruits, cameras, and fans, but I'm beginning to wonder if the players see him the same way.

I played NCAA hockey and I am an enlisted soldier, so I know what good tough leadership looks like. I have no problem with smoke sessions, yelling, or loss of PT- I've seen worse and am better for it. What I do have a problem with is a leader who puts his own interests in front of the people who go to battle for him. One I the reasons I supported CW till the end was that I got the impression his players felt he was that sort of guy. For whatever reason, I don't get that same impression about Kelly.
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You endorse Shape Ups, Joe.

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Your argument is invalid.
 
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HereComeTheIrish said:
He likely hated your less-than-masculine screen name. That's enough to send any "man" over the ledge in my opinion. Should have gone with DogChow.
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@Meowmix,I think you should change your screen name to "kitten-mittons" to go with your avatar.that would be awesome.
 
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Definitely not siding with Joe. He big-timed my brother and me at ND/Navy last year at the Meadowlands. We saw him, said "what's up, Joe?" (hoping for a potential autograph or picture, but would have been content with a "Whats up, fellas?"). He didnt even acknowledge us as his escorts shuffled him in.
 
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I sat 2 rows behind Joe, Nate, his sister, and mom at the Oregon vs. University of Washington football game last year. (it sucked because I was in the Washington section and I can't stand the Huskies). And all game long people came up to Joe during the game to shake his hand and what not. It has to get bothersome time and time with no stop to have people bother you, even during plays. So, I think he is really hardened to it all. So, don't take offense, it is how it is.

Now I was upset to see that Nate had zero Notre Dame stuff on. He didn't represent at all. And Maybe this was why, and then he transferred. I was showing my ND stuff at the game. Got more grief from the Husky Fans than any Oregon Fan. The fans were actually great that game, I don't know where they get all the bad press from. The Husky fans were rude, and out of controll.

Anyhow, I think Joe is just tired of having to say hi or shake everybody's hand. And seems really grumpy now adays.
 
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IrishinSyria said:
Edit: of course, NCAA D1 football is incredibly competitive and this could just be sour grapes. Ya know, what could Joe say, ND is amazing and my son sucks? No, he's a father first. Still-where there's smoke...
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Not sure if I agree with the "where there's smoke" line.

I'd expect Joe to be very upset if his son was wronged. But, it could also have been a misunderstanding. I can't imagine that BK promised him anything. It is well documented that Nate isn't a top flight D1 QB. What would he have told him? Was he mad that Tommy ended up getting more snaps after he outplayed Nate? I don't know...

We want to blame Joe or BK so that things are black and white. The reality, as usual, is probably very nuanced. And, without being there, it's impossible to know the nuances.
 
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IrishinSyria said:
First of all, I hope you get better.

Second of all, your reading of what I was saying was absolutely wrong. It has nothing to do with Kelly yelling or being coarse. It has everything to do with feeling that a coach is honest with you and, above all else, has your back. Kelly knows how to say the right things to recruits, cameras, and fans, but I'm beginning to wonder if the players see him the same way.
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Thanks for the well wishes.

I see what you are saying & if that is the case, it could get ugly. What I mean by that is, if players start feeling that way, they obviously will not buy in and that will hurt the program from top to bottom. I have never thought of that , and I hope that isn't the case, but it is an angle that makes a lot of sense. I didn't mean to sou d like I was attacking your post. I was just putting my two Pennies in. You are MUCH more respected and known here in cyber IE land and I enjoy your posts for their insight. We may never really know what is in ole Joe's head about this, but time will tell if Coach Kelly is old school or if he is as you suspect.

THANK YOU for serving our country and being a TRUE American hero
 
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Joe is just standing up for family. It's natural. Re Joe's stats at N.D., you got to be kidding or else you never saw him play. He was a pressure performer. Stats don't mean much if you make your error at the worse possible moment and execute when it doesn't matter. Joe was a great QB at Notre Dame. He delivered. Now he's trying to help his son. Big deal. That's what dads do.
 
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Jerry said:
There's always a lot of hurt feelings over kids and playing time. What do you think Dayne Crist's parents think of ND right now? Every coach I ever played for had half the team hating them, and why? Because they weren't playing. There is no good way to "handle" a situation when a kid has no chance to play, except to be honest with them.
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Very cogent point. I had to stop going to my son's Varsity Baseball Games because the coach never played him even as a Senior. He sat the bench on Senior Day. We never said a word, never bitched and moaned. He pinch-hit a lot. In the end he finished 2nd in Extra-base hits for the whole season. That just shoes to go. I never mixed in, the coach got paid to field the best tieam he could and win games. I differed with his opinion of my son's talent but never said a word to any of em. They've since come back to me many times for donations (Private Catholic School) and volunteer work... I'm still debating whether to give them the time of day but I would NEVER EVER rip the institution in the press, not classy.

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