What do you guys think about starting Hendrix?

[IrishMoore1]

There's nothing wrong with Tommy. He's not the reason why we lost this game. Dayne is. A 14 point swing with that fumble essentially sealed the game. No one here can deny that it absolutely killed any momentum the team had at that point, and pretty much made it impossible to come back. Rees is fine at QB

 

[Irish4Life09]

There's nothing wrong with Tommy. He's not the reason why we lost this game. Dayne is. A 14 point swing with that fumble essentially sealed the game. No one here can deny that it absolutely killed any momentum the team had at that point, and pretty much made it impossible to come back. Rees is fine at QB

It hurt,but that is definitely not the only reason we lost. look at how we played the entire first half and 4th quarter.Dayne didn't cause us to lose,it was a team loss.

 

[IrishMoore1]

It hurt,but that is definitely not the only reason we lost. look at how we played the entire first half and 4th quarter.Dayne didn't cause us to lose,it was a team loss.

Yes you're right about that. It wasn't only Dayne. But Dayne had the biggest hand in losing, unfortunately. He pushed the team's chances of winning off the cliff.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

I can understand this. It was a team loss. But, I feel it was contributory negligence. When muliple parties are at fault, to what percentage they are at fault. . As in this case (coaching, QB, Defense, etc). But, I feel Tommy was more at fault than other parties. He threw a bad pass to Floyd, he missed open receivers all game all over the field, threw no TD's when there were open receivers.

There were so many bad areas, but the QB choked under the lights at home!

 

[NDinL.A.]

I'm not going to mince words. I'm not a big fan of Tommy Rees. Pretty much every good defense we've gone up against, he's made horrible decisions, and we've either lost or the team guts out a win in spite of him. He essentially has two things going for him: he's a "gamer" (whatever the hell that means) since he's 8-2 (whatever the record is under him, I don't care, and I'm sure HCTI will post it at least twenty times); and I freely admit he doesn't suffer from the same mental mishaps Dayne does after mistakes.

I'm not saying Hendrix is way ahead of Tommy Rees, but his physical tools are undeniable, and I say give him a chance. I think we all know Kelly's spread works at its optimum efficiency with a mobile QB (yes for God's sake I know Kelly said he won with Tony Pike - unfortunately, this isn't f***ing Cincinnati). We can get wins over Navy, Maryland, and BC with either QB. Why not let Andrew take the snaps instead of potentially throwing him to the wolves next season?

If you want to throw away the season, sure, you start Hendrix. But if you want to win out (or ta least attemot to), you stay with Rees and mix in Hendrix to get him ready for next year's QB competition. The kid isn't ready yet, and throwing him in against teams like Wake Forest and Stanford aren't going to get the Irish many wins...

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Can't disagree with that NDinLA. But, either you pay now with experience or later.

And then we go into next year with Tommy the experienced QB. Everett with Zero, and Andrew with very little.

So, you will say next year Tommy gives us the best chance to win because he has the experience.

 

[Rudy89]

It may only be the pinstripe or champs sports bowls we are heading to but i wanna be bowl eligble and keep up the bowl wins after those years of heartbreak so id say keep tommy unless he totally sucks in these games. Besides that we can always hope to put a damper Andrew Luck's final season right?

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

But, I feel it was contributory negligence

I think the modern rule and restatement has been changed to "comparative negligence." Ha just my two cents. Dayne gets more fault imo.

Source: Law school student

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

You are correct. In contributory it is if you are at fault even 1% you still lose if you are the plaintiff. Comparative is better overall, because if you are still negligent you can still recover costs, etc.

Good call.

 

[aaronb]

We (on this msg board) have nothing to lose. BK has his job to lose so I'll leave it up to him to decide who gives ND the best chance to win.

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This is an EXCELLENT statement!!!!

Especially in regards to how fickle of a fan base that Notre Dame has become. We all just witnessed how quickly the tide turned and the seat got hot on Charlie Weis.

We are already seeing posts with people wanting to fire Brian Kelly.

Once a coach get on the hot seat it becomes nearly impossible for them to get off of it. Recruiting suffers. It gets harder to find good asst. Coaches.

We as a fan base are both the greatest asset......AND THE BIGGEST ENEMY of this football program.

 

[aaronb]

If Kelly articulates why he's starting Hendrix instead of Rees, I think most reasonable fans would understand.

The problem is that the reasonable fans are a silent majority. The vocal minority will sour the atmosphere with each and every loss.

 

[magogian]

I would be excited to see more Hendrix, but I suspect we would see many more turnovers from Hendrix if he was the starter.

First, as BK said, they have only given Hendrix as small portion of the playbook. Second, Hendrix doesn't get nearly the same number of snaps in practice as Tommy or Crist with the first team. That can cause all sorts of issues. Third, do we know how Hendrix responds to pressure? We don't. Don't assume he would stay cool. Hendix just is not in a position to be the starter. Maybe next year, but not now.

That said, he may be in a good position to become the #2.

 

[aaronb]

I would be excited to see more Hendrix, but I suspect we would see many more turnovers from Hendrix if he was the starter.

First, as BK said, they have only given Hendrix as small portion of the playbook. Second, Hendrix doesn't get nearly the same number of snaps in practice as Tommy or Crist with the first team. That can cause all sorts of issues. Third, do we know how Hendrix responds to pressure? We don't. Don't assume he would stay cool. Hendix just is not in a position to be the starter. Maybe next year, but not now.

That said, he may be in a good position to become the #2.

I'd be totally fine with him getting some mop up duty, or a specific drive in games that are in hand.

I didn't like him playing in the middle of the USC game however.

 

[tko]

I would be excited to see more Hendrix, but I suspect we would see many more turnovers from Hendrix if he was the starter.

First, as BK said, they have only given Hendrix as small portion of the playbook. Second, Hendrix doesn't get nearly the same number of snaps in practice as Tommy or Crist with the first team. That can cause all sorts of issues. Third, do we know how Hendrix responds to pressure? We don't. Don't assume he would stay cool. Hendix just is not in a position to be the starter. Maybe next year, but not now.

That said, he may be in a good position to become the #2.

i think his snaps will increase greatly. get dayne a red hat and a seat behind mulvey.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

And we come into next year with the same exact problem. Tommy has all the experience/snaps/gametime etc, and Andrew has little to none.

We run into the same flipping problem of, we need to win games at the beginning of next year and Tommy has the game time experience, etc.

Pay me now or pay me later. Oh well, BK has a hard decision.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

I can understand this. It was a team loss. But, I feel it was contributory negligence. When muliple parties are at fault, to what percentage they are at fault. . As in this case (coaching, QB, Defense, etc). But, I feel Tommy was more at fault than other parties. He threw a bad pass to Floyd, he missed open receivers all game all over the field, threw no TD's when there were open receivers.

There were so many bad areas, but the QB choked under the lights at home!

He threw one bad pass at the end of the game with little time left and we were down 14. Yeah he forced it trying to make something happen. Still not sure how a 5'8" 180 CB wrestles it away from a 6"3" 230 WR. He wanted it more I guess. If you want to say this throw to Cierre was a bad throw than I think you're wrong. That one was on Cierre for first not catching it (hit him in the hands) and secondly not going after a live ball. The throw to Eifert was not great but it was all he had in his window. He had to throw it outside and if Eifert doesn't slip it's six. Tommy didn't play well the first half I'll give you that, but no one did. In the second half though he had them driving to score and then got hurt, then Dayne came in and went all Dayne on everybody. Tommy then comes back injured and leads us to another score.

I will also concede that he missed some open guys but what college, and pro for that matter, QB doesn't? Calling it a choke job is just being unreasonable.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

I would be excited to see more Hendrix, but I suspect we would see many more turnovers from Hendrix if he was the starter.

First, as BK said, they have only given Hendrix as small portion of the playbook. Second, Hendrix doesn't get nearly the same number of snaps in practice as Tommy or Crist with the first team. That can cause all sorts of issues. Third, do we know how Hendrix responds to pressure? We don't. Don't assume he would stay cool. Hendix just is not in a position to be the starter. Maybe next year, but not now.

That said, he may be in a good position to become the #2.

If Tommy gets hurt again I would be all for Hendrix being the next man in. What little faith I had in Dayne is gone.

 

[irishff1014]

He threw one bad pass at the end of the game with little time left and we were down 14. Yeah he forced it trying to make something happen. Still not sure how a 5'8" 180 CB wrestles it away from a 6"3" 230 WR. He wanted it more I guess. If you want to say this throw to Cierre was a bad throw than I think you're wrong. That one was on Cierre for first not catching it (hit him in the hands) and secondly not going after a live ball. The throw to Eifert was not great but it was all he had in his window. He had to throw it outside and if Eifert doesn't slip it's six. Tommy didn't play well the first half I'll give you that, but no one did. In the second half though he had them driving to score and then got hurt, then Dayne came in and went all Dayne on everybody. Tommy then comes back injured and leads us to another score.

I will also concede that he missed some open guys but what college, and pro for that matter, QB doesn't? Calling it a choke job is just being unreasonable.

That pass was all Rees fault. We was wide open and Eifert still had to dive for it. EIther way there is no need to keep having these damn conversations. Unless Rees gets hurt he is Kelly's guy end of story.

 

[Notre John]

Dayne actually looked pretty good until he was pulled for Hendrix, and then had to go in on the one yard line cold. I definitely thought we were going to score before the Hendrix/Dayne switcharoo.

The problem is as Notre Dame fans we are not that excited about Tommy. We want to be back in the BCS, and we know that Tommy will not get us there. Dayne has the physical tools. Hendrix is a virtual unknown.

Perhaps we don't have the quarterback on the roster yet to get us to where we want to be.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

That pass was all Rees fault. We was wide open and Eifert still had to dive for it. EIther way there is no need to keep having these damn conversations. Unless Rees gets hurt he is Kelly's guy end of story.

You're right I just watched the replay he didn't slip. Still Eifert engages with the defender and doesn't come clean. There is also a DB to the inside forcing the throw wide. I was more upset at the throw he missed to Floyd the play before. I just dont understand the criticism some people throw at this kid. None of them must of ever played QB or offense for that matter. ... He's done nothing but what he asked of and to the best of his ability in the 1.5 he's been at ND. We just have to face the fact he's not an elite QB. And yes he's the guy for the rest of the season without a doubt.

 

[meowmix]

I understand that Rees is Kelly's guy. None of our conversation will affect this. I just don't think the quarterback at the University of Notre Dame should be someone who puts a limit on the offensive potential. There is playing to win and playing to not lose. Sticking with Tommy through the rest of this season and for next season is playing to not lose. And as we have seen, the Notre Dame nation's favorite "gamer" isn't good enough to not lose against good teams.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

joey, he done nothing but what he has been asked to do? So, missing all those open WR is what he is asked to do. And 11 or 12 turnovers by him alone is what he is asked to do?

I disagree. He is what he is. A turnover machine that can't run. But, just good enough to lead us to a Sun Bowl level bowl.

 

[kmoose]

Why not let Andrew take the snaps instead of potentially throwing him to the wolves next season?

So throw him to the wolves now, instead of doing what Kelly is doing: getting him some game experience without the pressure of being "the man"? Yeah, that makes sense. Especially since he probably won't be the starter next year, either.

 

[rocket66]

I wouldn't consider Navy throwing him to the wolves. Not saying I am for Hendrix getting the nod, but the next few games aren't exactly defensive juggernauts.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

joey, he done nothing but what he has been asked to do? So, missing all those open WR is what he is asked to do. And 11 or 12 turnovers by him alone is what he is asked to do?

I disagree. He is what he is. A turnover machine that can't run. But, just good enough to lead us to a Sun Bowl level bowl.

What I meant by that is he as a true frosh came into a tough situation last year and in my mind handled himself well and won some games. Than this year he came in after the Dayne debacle and has played well enough for us to win games. I can't blame Tommy Rees for all of our losses this year.

Tommy is what he is. Can't run and a weak arm. But he is cool in the clutch and based on what the coaches determined has been able to pick up the offense quicker than anyone else has.

Has he played stellar? At times vs inferior competition but not consistently. For the most part has he played well enough for us to win? I believe so. Do I think he gives us the best shot at winning out? Yes. Should he be handed the job next year? No, there needs to be another QB battle next spring and fall.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

So throw him to the wolves now, instead of doing what Kelly is doing: getting him some game experience without the pressure of being "the man"? Yeah, that makes sense. Especially since he probably won't be the starter next year, either.

Who would you like next yr kmoose?

I would love to see Golson go take this job from everyone else.

 

[kmoose]

Who would you like next yr kmoose?

I would love to see Golson go take this job from everyone else.

Tommy Rees is the guy, this year, next year, and most likely, the year beyond that. I'm pretty sure that many people here are falling into the logic trap that Andrew Hendrix and Everett Golson will get better with more experience, while Tommy Rees will stay the same. I'm not buying it, but thanks for the sales pitch, all the same.

 

[JoeyGetherall]

Tommy Rees is the guy, this year, next year, and most likely, the year beyond that. I'm pretty sure that many people here are falling into the logic trap that Andrew Hendrix and Everett Golson will get better with more experience, while Tommy Rees will stay the same. I'm not buying it, but thanks for the sales pitch, all the same.

They taught me in B-school that every no is one step closer to a yes!

Cue dancing pepper >>>

 

[kmoose]

They taught me in B-school that every no is one step closer to a yes!

Cue dancing pepper >>>

You're not Zig Zigler, and I'm not looking for a round tuit.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Crist has probably taken his last snap for the Irish. Now that a Champs Sports Bowl berth is a near certainty, I expect to see a lot more reps for the young players; and that means more Hendrix.

I'll be interested to see whether or not Kelly officially names Hendrix the #2 and starts giving him 1st team reps in practice.