Graduation Losses for Next Year

[HereComeTheIrish]

KLM is a stud and a leader. He gets begged to come back

Agreed. I can't see him not being a huge asset in next years rotation.

 

[IrishFBfanatic]

Braxton Cave doesn't have anymore eligibility. He played as a true freshman on special teams. He was injured part way through the season and was out for the remainder. So unless the NCAA is overlooking his short freshman campaign, Cave has used up his eligibility.

 

[EifertPower]

Braxton Cave doesn't have anymore eligibility. He played as a true freshman on special teams. He was injured part way through the season and was out for the remainder. So unless the NCAA is overlooking his short freshman campaign, Cave has used up his eligibility.

If true, this is the worst news I've heard in a long time. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

 

[Riddickulous]

KLM is a stud and a leader. He gets begged to come back

Yes.

Braxton Cave doesn't have anymore eligibility. He played as a true freshman on special teams. He was injured part way through the season and was out for the remainder. So unless the NCAA is overlooking his short freshman campaign, Cave has used up his eligibility.

According to his bio on UND.com:

Saw action in the San Diego State game ... served as the Irish short snapper ... logged 2:03 of playing time and five special- teams appearances before suffering a season-ending injury.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

If true, this is the worst news I've heard in a long time. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

"Auntie Em....Auntie Em... It's a Twister....It's a Twister!!!!"

 

[NDinL.A.]

Braxton Cave doesn't have anymore eligibility. He played as a true freshman on special teams. He was injured part way through the season and was out for the remainder. So unless the NCAA is overlooking his short freshman campaign, Cave has used up his eligibility.

Wrong. Cave has a year left, 1000% sure.

 

[Old Man Mike]

EVERYTHING I've read says Cave has another year of eligibility. Thank the Lord Almighty!! Someone's trying to give me a heart attack....

 

[jason_h537]

Cave has a medical redshirt. One more year with him under center

 

[Veer option]

Sweetness

 

[jonesman]

Folks,
According to the current depth chart, here is position by position look at who is listed in the two deep as a senior with eligibility. If you are not listed in the two deep at this point, you are basically not going to be asked back. There might be one or two exceptions.

QB
-Dayne Crist: Not sure what will happen here. I will not even touch this as it will start and endless debate.

WR
-John Goodman: Cannot understand why would be asking him back. I will volunteer to do fair catching. He has no skills that exceed the likes of Davarius Danniels, Daniel Smith and the many fresman coming aboard.
-Deion Walker: Sadly this highly touted player will leave ND with ONE reception.

TE
-Mike Ragone: Yes, I believe this guy will get an invite back for a 6th year if he asks. He is the best blocking TE I have ever seen at ND.

OL
-Braxton Cave: YES.
-Mike Golic: He is a solid C back-up and also possible guard. He will be asked back.
-Lane Clelland: Not sure about this guy. Could give depth at guard. His invite depends on how happy Kelly is with the development of Hanratty and Hegarty. If they are going well, Lane is out.

DL
-KLM: No brainer. Starter in 2012.
-Sean Cwynar: Yes. He is a underrated player on our DL. Back in 2012.
-Hafis Williams: This guy is on the fence. He has been a good contributor. Kelly will invite him if the roster is available.
-Brandon Newman: Sorry, good guy that is facing too much depth.

LB
David Pozlusky: NO. Good guy, just not big enough.
Anthony McDonald: His fortune has a lot to do with Manti. If Teo comes back, then McDonald is done. If Teo leaves, he gets invited back.

Safety
Jamoris Slaughter: YES, no brainer.
Dan McCarthy: I will say yes due to depth issues, but he could be out.

 

[jason_h537]

Goodman will be back. Guys bash him for his return skills which obviously are not great but until the return coverage is improved i prefer having sure hands back there.

Also he is #3's back-up so you never see him but Kelly said that he was the 4th best reciever at the start of the season. Kelly said he needs 7 WR's to run efectively and he currently has only 5 he can rely on.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Goodman will be back. Guys bash him for his return skills which obviously are not great but until the return coverage is improved i prefer having sure hands back there.

There are plenty of other guys with good hands currently on the roster.

Also he is #3's back-up so you never see him but Kelly said that he was the 4th best reciever at the start of the season. Kelly said he needs 7 WR's to run efectively and he currently has only 5 he can rely on.

Thus far, Goodman has 1 rushing attempt for 2 yards, 1 reception for 8 yards, and 8 punt returns for less than 1 net yard. Oh, and a fumble as well.

GAIII will move back to WR for 2012. Between Daniels, Atkinson, Greenberry, etc., there's way too much athleticism coming up behind Goodman to justify his getting a 5Y.

 

[jason_h537]

There are plenty of other guys with good hands currently on the roster.



Thus far, Goodman has 1 rushing attempt for 2 yards, 1 reception for 8 yards, and 8 punt returns for less 1 net yard. Oh, and a fumble as well.

GAIII will move back to WR for 2012. Between Daniels, Atkinson, Greenberry, etc., there's way too much athleticism coming up behind Goodman to justify his getting a 5Y.

GA3 MIGHT move back to WR next year. Like i said before Greg Reid will struggle returning punts when 4/5 times there are 3 guys in his face. Fix the return coverage, then think about putting a playmaker back there. As for the "plety of other guys" where are they?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

GA3 MIGHT move back to WR next year. Like i said before Greg Reid will struggle returning punts when 4/5 times there are 3 guys in his face. Fix the return coverage, then think about putting a playmaker back there. As for the "plety of other guys" where are they?

Toma, for one. Harrison Smith as well, but he'll be gone next year.

I just can't see Kelly giving Goodman a 5Y simply to fair catch punts.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I'd like to toss out the pragmatics and ask all our old honorable warriors back, but my sense of this current recruiting class is that it fills mightily with blue chips. With that Goodman, McDonald, HWilliams, Crist, and McCarthy go [all good players; but they must go to allow the Marshalls, Banners, Peats, Agholors, Odenigbos, Stanleys, etc---this list can be a lot longer--- to sign].

Golic rides the fence depending on the tightness of last second "yes's". The numbers just won't allow Coach to be a good guy about this, and I believe that he will roll the dice for a last minute person such as Peat, or Agholor, or one of the really fancy dudes talked about [even supersurprises like a Kiel or an DGB --- no, I don't think it likely, but....], rather than even a guy as useful as Mike Golic, Jr.

For seventy or so past threads, we have laid wish lists out there rarely bearing any relationship to the simple mathematics of "85".

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

GA3 MIGHT move back to WR next year. Like i said before Greg Reid will struggle returning punts when 4/5 times there are 3 guys in his face. Fix the return coverage, then think about putting a playmaker back there. As for the "plety of other guys" where are they?

I agree. First and foremost the coverage needs to get better.

My thoughts on BK putting a playmaker back there are.. Maybe he's hesitant because he's got a good thing going right now everywhere else on the field and he doesn't want to jeopardize it in any way.

Goodman is not fumbling and that seems to be as far as Kelly is taking it right now. I can understand that because the team is becoming very confident after dominating MSU, pulling out a tough win in PITT and embarrassing Purdue.

Not that a fumbled punt would ruin the season or anything but I think Kelly likes where the team is heading right now and is trying to maintain that.

Whatever, just a quick thought. At some point he has to get someone back there that can gain something though.. We can't fair catch it or let it roll for a 60 yarder every time.

 

[jason_h537]

Toma, for one. Harrison Smith as well, but he'll be gone next year.

I just can't see Kelly giving Goodman a 5Y simply to fair catch punts.

Then why aren't they doing it? Have you ever seen Toma return because everyone assumed Riddick would thrive back there. Plus you're not Giving Goodman a 5th year to fair catch. He will get much more real PT with Floyd gone. It's easy to knock a guy when he is sitting behind one of the best in the country

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Whatever, just a quick thought. At some point he has to get someone back there that can gain something though.. We can't fair catch it or let it roll for a 60 yarder every time.

That's definitely on the to-do list, but it appears to be a low priority right now. We have lots of elusive guys who can make defenders miss in space-- Riddick, McDaniel, Daniels, etc.-- but that experiment blew up in Kelly's face during the USF game, so it's shelved for now.

 

[Riddickulous]

How many scholarships will be available for fifth years? Five? Six?

 

[jason_h537]

I agree. First and foremost the coverage needs to get better.

Exactly. Everyone just spouts Goodman sucks but fix the coverage first. That way there is room to run. THEN think about putting a playmaker back there. Until then I prefer a guy who can catch the ball.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Then why aren't they doing it?

Kelly specifically mentioned Goodman, Smith, and Toma as the "good hands" PRs after Riddick blew it. Goodman is presumably the best of the bunch, or maybe just the most expendable.

Plus you're not Giving Goodman a 5th year to fair catch. He will get much more real PT with Floyd gone. It's easy to knock a guy when he is sitting behind one of the best in the country

I wouldn't give Goodman a 5Y because (1) plenty of other guys on the roster can fair catch punts, and (2) he simply doesn't have the athleticism to hang onto a spot in the 2-deep with Daniels, GAIII, and Greenberry in 2012... not to mention surprise guys like Agholor, etc.

Check OMM's post above. If we finish the season with 8-9 wins (let alone a BCS bowl), this class is going to be full of blue-chip players. Giving Goodman a 5Y means potentially turning down a guy like Agholor, Staley, Odenigbo, etc.

Cave, KLM, Cwynar, and Slaughter are all very productive starters. Outside of them, every 5Y eligible senior is going to have a very hard time justifying the continuation of his scholarship.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

How many scholarships will be available for fifth years? Five? Six?

2012 recruits + 5Ys = 26.

I agree with OMM's post below. The four 5Y locks cap our recruiting class at 22, and it looks like we'll need every spot.

 

[Old Man Mike]

How many 5th years? Theoretical question of course in the realworld game of roster management as it depends on how many new studs want to say "yes". I've guessed "5" for a long time. [Cave, KLM, Slaughter, Cwynar, and Crist, with Golic on the edge]. Our QB development seems to change that number for me and remove Crist. Our apparent rolling success with the 2012s makes me guess that we'll need the spot.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Exactly. Everyone just spouts Goodman sucks but fix the coverage first. That way there is room to run. THEN think about putting a playmaker back there. Until then I prefer a guy who can catch the ball.

Ugh. I never said that Goodman sucks, or that the weak PRs are his fault (it's clearly the poor blocking).

He just hasn't earned a 5Y yet. He might blow up later this season and work his way into one, but at this point, and with the athleticism we'll have at WR in 2012, it makes no sense to give him a 5Y.

 

[jason_h537]

The staff is targeting 22 this year meaning 6 could be asked back for 5th years. Of course that is theoretical.

Crist, Goodman, Walker, Clelland, Cave, Golic, KLM, Cwynar, Hafis, Newman, AMac, Poz, McCarthy, Slaughter

Gauranteed: Slaughter, KLM, Cwynar, Cave are coming back
Likely: Crist????, Goodman, Golic

The rest are unlikely.


Also I was not talking about you Whiskey, but there have been plenty of posters on here and other boards who have said Goodman sucks.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The staff is targeting 22 this year meaning 6 could be asked back for 5th years. Of course that is theoretical.

Our roster currently features: 15 juniors, 19 sophomores, and 24 freshman.

15+19+24= 58 scholarship players that are definitely coming back (barring transfers). 85 (scholarship max) - 58 = 27. Badger's return next spring will bring that down to 26.

Thus, if the staff is truly targeting a 2012 class of 22 recruits (which makes perfect sense), then Cave, Cwynar, Slaughter, and KLM are the only guys getting asked back.

Maybe we'll whiff on a couple blue chippers near NSD and end up with a 2012 class of 20-21. Doubtful, imo, but possible; so it's worth considering who would be our 5th and 6th 5Ys.

 

[jason_h537]

I forgot about Badger. Damn Mormon

 

[Old Man Mike]

One of these days I'm am hoping to see the rising of a bright sunshiny morning and discover that Whiskey has finally educated everybody on the board as to the correct numbers of available scholarships and therefore the likely dynamic for new verbals vs 5th year keeps.

Then I meditate on it a moment and say, yeh, and that day pigs will fly.

 

[irishtrain]

There are always exceptions to the norm. And honestly Wisconsin could play without a quarterback and still be undefeated, they have had an absolutely pathetic schedule.

True and Nebraska isnt phyical either-they got run over. They may get their @##$# handed to them more than once this year. But not by Ohio State.