Superconferences & Realignment

[Whiskeyjack]

Its terribly interesting. Wonder where ND olympic sports would go? If Big East lives on as a non-football conference, well, then thats just fine. If the Big East folds TOTALLY then we have some decisions to make.

Here's my understanding of the possible scenarios, listed in descending order of likeliness: (1) the Big East loses its AQ status, but invites a bunch of aspiring programs with growth potential in hopes of regaining their AQ status in the future; (2) the Big East ceases to be a football conference, but continues on in all other sports; (3) the Big East implodes entirely.

(1) and (2) wouldn't really affect us. (3) would force us to join the ACC.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Its terribly interesting. Wonder where ND olympic sports would go? If Big East lives on as a non-football conference, well, then thats just fine. If the Big East folds TOTALLY then we have some decisions to make.

Big East survives as non-football, invites Butler, Xavier, Richmond, and Dayton to make it 12 teams. Perfect.

 

[jason_h537]

The ACC wants Notre Dame but know they can not force ND to join. I can see them holding out a few years to see if the conferences shake up again to see if ND would join with another Big East team.

Texas has a lot of power because if they go Independent than ND can stay with yearly games of Texas, USC, Stanford, Navy, BC, Pitt, Army, and a likely 3rd Pac-12/ACC team

Im obviously hoping Texas decides on Independence

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The ACC wants Notre Dame but know they can not force ND to join. I can see them holding out a few years to see if the conferences shake up again to see if ND would join with another Big East team.

Total Big East implosion forces us into the ACC not because of football, but because we'd then need a home for all of our Olympic sports. Independently scheduling all of our sports isn't feasible.

 

[jason_h537]

Total Big East implosion forces us into the ACC not because of football, but because we'd then need a home for all of our Olympic sports. Independently scheduling all of our sports isn't feasible.

errr? what? I think we are having 2 very different conversations

 

[Whiskeyjack]

errr? what? I think we are having 2 very different conversations

I listed three potential outcomes if the Big East to Big 12 exodus occurs. The first two wouldn't really affect us, but the third and least likely outcome-- that the Big East completely implodes not only for football, but as an athletic conference altogether-- would force us into a conference (most likely the ACC), simply because we need to be in a conference for our Olympic sports.

In that admittedly unlikely scenario, ND doesn't get to play the waiting game.

 

[DomeX2 eNVy]

I'd like to see the Big East implode, and then ND strike a Big East style deal with the ACC, where we go there for Olympic sports but stay independent in football with a right to their bowl slots if available.

I doubt the ACC would go for it; and it's not going to happen - but it is what I'd like to see.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

BYU, TCU and Louisville have all been mentioned as possibilities to join the Big 12. But Louisville, a source told ESPN.com, is interested in keeping Big East together with service academies to fill void left by Pitt and Syracuse.

Source -- Big 12 ADs discuss stability and expansion - ESPN

 

[Rhode Irish]

Here we go again:

Missouri to explore leaving Big 12

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Here we go again:

Missouri to explore leaving Big 12

Nah, not really. Missouri holds NO CARDS. B1G doesn't want them, and I'm starting to doubt the SEC does either. If they feel like they HAVE to get out of the Big 12, their only option might be the Big East, but why the hell would anyone from a current AQ conference go there? So that won't happen.

No, Missouri is trying to act like a big player, but they aren't, and its a little embarrassing for them. Even if the SEC says, okay, just to get to 14, we'll take you, so what, it won't set off any other changes. The Big 12 will just go with what they have and add a couple more minor schools.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I believe Missouri is one of the few athletic programs in the country that turns a profit. I don't think they are a HUGE player, but someone could want them. Its at least feasible.

Any time an AQ school starts looking to make a move it will make me nervous for the time being.

 

[Cali_domer]

Nah, not really. Missouri holds NO CARDS. B1G doesn't want them, and I'm starting to doubt the SEC does either. If they feel like they HAVE to get out of the Big 12, their only option might be the Big East, but why the hell would anyone from a current AQ conference go there? So that won't happen.

No, Missouri is trying to act like a big player, but they aren't, and its a little embarrassing for them. Even if the SEC says, okay, just to get to 14, we'll take you, so what, it won't set off any other changes. The Big 12 will just go with what they have and add a couple more minor schools.

Besides BYU where do you think those schools will come from? WVU?Louisville Cincy all have been rumored.

 

[Cali_domer]

The fact is the Big East will not be safe until all the dust settles. WVU wants out, UConn wants out, rutgers wants out.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Besides BYU where do you think those schools will come from? WVU?Louisville Cincy all have been rumored.

Dunno. Maybe TCU, SMU. They could roll the dice and get Boise, but thats a huge risk.

 

[Cali_domer]

Dunno. Maybe TCU, SMU. They could roll the dice and get Boise, but thats a huge risk.

They will look east for a team. If Mizzou leaves this whole thing will start again. Uconn is begging for a ACC invite. The Big East as we know it now is on life support. It may and probably survive as a Basketball league. Mark my words if the SEC go to 14 they will go to 16 to even out the conference. 7 team division is not good. ACC also will continue to expand and wait for ND as long as they can.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

They will look east for a team. If Mizzou leaves this whole thing will start again. Uconn is begging for a ACC invite. The Big East as we know it now is on life support. It may and probably survive as a Basketball league. Mark my words if the SEC go to 14 they will go to 16 to even out the conference. 7 team division is not good. ACC also will continue to expand and wait for ND as long as they can.

I'm still not sure any of that effects ND, though. say the SEC takes them. the worst case scenario is the Big 12 takes Louisville, WV, Cincy and BYU. Big East Football dies, but lives on as an olympic sports conference. Again, thats the worst case scenario, which I doubt will happen. In that scenario, ND keeps its olympic sports in the Big East, and no harm done.

Until one of the big 4 (PAC, B1G, SEC or ACC) comes out an SAYS ok, we're going to 16, I'm not convinced it will happen.

There's really no need for the ACC to do anything unless ND asks to join (they'll take Uconn to partner with ND, but won't take them alone), and the ND won't ask to join unless all those other dominoes fall first.

 

[Cali_domer]

I'm still not sure any of that effects ND, though. say the SEC takes them. the worst case scenario is the Big 12 takes Louisville, WV, Cincy and BYU. Big East Football dies, but lives on as an olympic sports conference. Again, thats the worst case scenario, which I doubt will happen. In that scenario, ND keeps its olympic sports in the Big East, and no harm done.

Until one of the big 4 (PAC, B1G, SEC or ACC) comes out an SAYS ok, we're going to 16, I'm not convinced it will happen.

There's really no need for the ACC to do anything unless ND asks to join (they'll take Uconn to partner with ND, but won't take them alone), and the ND won't ask to join unless all those other dominoes fall first.

I agree it may not effect us yet. If the football league collapses what happens to our Bowl tie in's? There is a lot that can happen. If the Basketball league survives who will buy the TV rights for pretty much a all Catholic league? They would have to renegiotiate the TV deal for sure.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Once the dominoes start falling I think it is hard to predict who will or won't be effected.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Once the dominoes start falling I think it is hard to predict who will or won't be effected.

agreed. But I'm not seeing Missouri as a domino.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Once the dominoes start falling I think it is hard to predict who will or won't be effected.

This^

There's a lot of brinkmanship involved once the dominoes start falling. There aren't a whole lot of desirable programs out there, and even fewer that make geographic/ media sense for each particular conference. The Pac 12, Big 12, and SEC aren't going to sit on their hands while everyone is making moves.

 

[irish1958]

Big Ten (11, 12 or whatever) should take Mizzu; They hate the "Big Twelve (10, 9 or whatever) as they think they are getting screwed by Texas and have been slighted on their bowls in the near past.
Missouri is a much better fit for the Big Ten. They could take Mizzu and Kansas. I am not sure who they could take to make 16 however.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I honestly thought this was over. And now it's starting again.

 

[irishtrinity]

this is just funked up... if i was to choose it would be Big 10 anything else would be crazy to watch...

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

this is just funked up... if i was to choose it would be Big 10 anything else would be crazy to watch...

for whom?

 

[Dizzyphil]

It's from ESPN so take it as you want.

Athletic director Jack Swarbrick says Notre Dame Fighting Irish still monitoring conference landscape - ESPN Chicago



Diz

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

TCU going to Big12.

“@McMurphyCBS: Multiple TCU coaches tell @CBSSports "it's done deal" to Big 12. Formal announcement expected at 12:30 p.m. ET”

 

[Whiskeyjack]

John Haynesworth discusses the possibility of ND to the Big 12 here.

I seriously doubt it could ever happen due to our largest media markets being on the East Coast, but there you have it.

 

[Dizzyphil]

"Adding Notre Dame to the conference would be an extremely difficult negotiation, but the Big 12 might be the best fit for the Fighting Irish. After all, the conference already is a bunch of individual institutions looking out for themselves first while also craving the stability of a conference. Adding another school that wants that scenario makes sense."

Sounds like a perfect fit for the Irish... LOL. We t'aint nuttin but a bunch of egotistical prix looking out for no-one but us-selves....



Diz

 

[Whiskeyjack]

CBS' Brett McMurphy on how TCU's defection could affect ND.

 

[irish1958]

Forbes, I think, listed the top 100 or so universities in the US. The ACC had several (I think 7 or 8) and the Big ten had several in the top forty, Nebraska came in about 90+ and Missouri came in 80+.
Apparently, this is a very important factor when conferences add schools. Along these lines ND would be a better fit for the ACC.
As an aside, Yahoo had a list of the most beautiful college campuses: see: America's Most Beautiful College Campuses