Time to sit down and shut up!

[tankjeep]

Absolutely ridiculous to hang that 3-9 season on Charlie Weis. He had 70 freaking players on Schollie. Almost all of them true freshmen and sophs.

The bigger problem that is the sense of entitlement and unrealistic expectations of this fanbase as a whole. Every single loss CAN'T be a referendum on the whole program. Especially a program that graduates nearly 100% of its players and does things "The Right Way".

Some of you clowns would fire and hire a new coach every single year if you could.

i'm not hanging the 3-9 season on weis. i'm just saying that was a low point. read my above post. no where do i say that weis was the reason we went 3-9.

 

[tankjeep]

thank you. and when weis was hired, he was way behind in recruiting. so much so, that depth was non existent and weis had to throw true freshmen into the fire after brady quinn & co. graduated. weis developed offensive talent, but the defense suffered. and changing def. coordinators surely didn't help and jon tenuta was horrible in developing those talented defensive players (harrison smith).

weis did bring in very good recruiting classes, but again with no depth and hardly any development....it doesn't matter how talented the players are. so kelly came in and had to retool their mindset and the way they trained/prepared all the way down to the smallest detail.

and as someone mentioned earlier, it takes time to change the culture (which i mentioned in earlier post), but some how i'm the clueless one.

Absolutely ridiculous to hang that 3-9 season on Charlie Weis. He had 70 freaking players on Schollie. Almost all of them true freshmen and sophs.

The bigger problem that is the sense of entitlement and unrealistic expectations of this fanbase as a whole. Every single loss CAN'T be a referendum on the whole program. Especially a program that graduates nearly 100% of its players and does things "The Right Way".

Some of you clowns would fire and hire a new coach every single year if you could.

read above

 

[Jerry]

thank you. and when weis was hired, he was way behind in recruiting. so much so, that depth was non existent and weis had to throw true freshmen into the fire after brady quinn & co. graduated. weis developed offensive talent, but the defense suffered. and changing def. coordinators surely didn't help and jon tenuta was horrible in developing those talented defensive players (harrison smith).

weis did bring in very good recruiting classes, but again with no depth and hardly any development....it doesn't matter how talented the players are. so kelly came in and had to retool their mindset and the way they trained/prepared all the way down to the smallest detail.

and as someone mentioned earlier, it takes time to change the culture (which i mentioned in earlier post), but some how i'm the clueless one.

Yeah, you have to put recruiting in perspective. Weis's downfall was never getting a defensive coordinator that could stick. The whole Minter, Brown, Tenuta defensive coordinator carousel for 5 years destroyed the defense. They lost a few recruits switching back and forth from the 4-3 to the 3-4. And like you said its tough for kids to learn fundamentals with new coaches and schemes every year.

At least so far Kelly has recruited all positions pretty well. But still those guys are pretty young. It will be interesting to see how things play out once his recruits start to hit the field as upperclassman.

 

[tankjeep]

Yeah, you have to put recruiting in perspective. Weis's downfall was never getting a defensive coordinator that could stick. The whole Minter, Brown, Tenuta defensive coordinator carousel for 5 years destroyed the defense. They lost a few recruits switching back and forth from the 4-3 to the 3-4. And like you said its tough for kids to learn fundamentals with new coaches and schemes every year.

At least so far Kelly has recruited all positions pretty well. But still those guys are pretty young. It will be interesting to see how things play out once his recruits start to hit the field as upperclassman.

exactly. given time and the fact he'll bring in his RKG's....kelly will get us on the right track.

 

[aaronb]

exactly. given time and the fact he'll bring in his RKG's....kelly will get us on the right track.

Agreed

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

I am so tired of this crap I hear all the time on Brian Kelly and the coaching staff. Sorry to tell you all, BK is the last stop for us before we just fold and join the Ivy League. I think it’s sad that everyone jumps the guy for trying to do a job with team with such big holes in it. Everyone has always stated that we have superior talent and ND should win every game, EVERY QB is the Heisman winner and first round draft pick. Once again, sorry to say it, but this just simply is not the case and it has never been my entire life, and I am 35. Lou is the greatest coach that I have seen at ND, and he didn't have what the fans of ND wanted every year, so we ran him off, we let Davie back door him and we said so long sucker and no one can live up to whatever we think ND should be, but never has been in the modern football era. I'd really like to know what everyone thinks ND should be, because there is no way any team will be a National Champion contender unless we just sit down and shut up and let a guy do what he knows best instead of being on the defensive about if he is in over his head or not. ND hasn't competed for a National Championship since 1993 and that wasn't good enough either.

All I ask is take off the rose colored glasses and show me the superior talent, show me the depth behind the so called superior talent…because there is none, plain and simple.

Be a fan, respect the team, the coach, and watch a team grow into what it can be rather than sitting on your hind end complaining because the team isn't what your pipe dream says it should be! If you can't do that, move on to your local team and watch them have recruiting violations, which will give you something you can really be pissed about.

Hey, KELLY is the one that set the expectations - HE was talking about going to the BCS, not us...

 

[irishtrain]

I am so tired of this crap I hear all the time on Brian Kelly and the coaching staff. Sorry to tell you all, BK is the last stop for us before we just fold and join the Ivy League. I think it’s sad that everyone jumps the guy for trying to do a job with team with such big holes in it. Everyone has always stated that we have superior talent and ND should win every game, EVERY QB is the Heisman winner and first round draft pick. Once again, sorry to say it, but this just simply is not the case and it has never been my entire life, and I am 35. Lou is the greatest coach that I have seen at ND, and he didn't have what the fans of ND wanted every year, so we ran him off, we let Davie back door him and we said so long sucker and no one can live up to whatever we think ND should be, but never has been in the modern football era. I'd really like to know what everyone thinks ND should be, because there is no way any team will be a National Champion contender unless we just sit down and shut up and let a guy do what he knows best instead of being on the defensive about if he is in over his head or not. ND hasn't competed for a National Championship since 1993 and that wasn't good enough either.

All I ask is take off the rose colored glasses and show me the superior talent, show me the depth behind the so called superior talent…because there is none, plain and simple.

Be a fan, respect the team, the coach, and watch a team grow into what it can be rather than sitting on your hind end complaining because the team isn't what your pipe dream says it should be! If you can't do that, move on to your local team and watch them have recruiting violations, which will give you something you can really be pissed about.

Right man right time-its up to the players now. These coaches cant perform the task and the way I see it they've lost so much the last 10 years that until the players draw a line in the sand and say NO MORE LOSES things are'nt going to change. Brian Kelly is not the problem. The guy is coaching his butt off.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Hey, KELLY is the one that set the expectations - HE was talking about going to the BCS, not us...

No. We all were.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

No. We all were.

Glad you can climb in my head. I wasn't. BK said BCS. If you did too, hey good for you.

But I don't want to hear anyone cry "unrealistic expectations". He set the expectations for this year.

 

[Praise thee]

Glad you can climb in my head. I wasn't. BK said BCS. If you did too, hey good for you.

But I don't want to hear anyone cry "unrealistic expectations". He set the expectations for this year.

So you're saying that fans and the media played no part in setting high expectations this year?

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

So you're saying that fans and the media played no part in setting high expectations this year?

I'm not saying anything other than this: Don't cry "unrealistic expectations", because BK himself set the bar at BCS.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I'm not saying anything other than this: Don't cry "unrealistic expectations", because BK himself set the bar at BCS.

You're taking that comment out of context. The BCS is all we have to play for every year because we have no conference championship for which to compete.

As BK said, you don't go into a season shooting for the Sun Bowl.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

You're taking that comment out of context. The BCS is all we have to play for every year because we have no conference championship for which to compete.

As BK said, you don't go into a season shooting for the Sun Bowl.

If you want to spin it that way, I suppose you can. But for the majority of people who don't really follow things closely like we do, all you are hearing is the head man say "BCS". Whether you like it or not, thats setting the expectation. I'm guessing that why a lot of coaches dance around questions of goals.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

If you want to spin it that way, I suppose you can. But for the majority of people who don't really follow things closely like we do, all you are hearing is the head man say "BCS". Whether you like it or not, thats setting the expectation. I'm guessing that why a lot of coaches dance around questions of goals.

It's not spin at all. Kelly never said "I expect to be playing in a BCS bowl this year". He said the goal every year is the BCS, because we have nothing else to play for.

If people misinterpret that as some guarantee that we're BCS bound every year, then maybe poor reading comprehension is why we're constantly overrated.

 

[BobD]

We're two turnovers away from being 2-0.......4 turnovers from winning both games easily. I'd have the entire team carrying a football everywhere they go this week and great prizes for whoever can get it away from them.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Glad you can climb in my head. I wasn't. BK said BCS. If you did too, hey good for you.

But I don't want to hear anyone cry "unrealistic expectations". He set the expectations for this year.

Touche. I don't know what you were thinking.

Personally, I thought that BCS was on the high side of realistic. But, I thought it was within the realm of possibility. But, Brian Kelly was far from the only one that I heard talking about the BCS. That's all I meant to say.

Here's Sports Illustrated talking about it...
Notre Dame may make BCS after bowl win, top 10 recruiting class - Stewart Mandel - SI.com

Here's ESPN talking about it...
College Football: Bruce Feldman's mailbag on Notre Dame Fighting Irish's chances of making a BCS bowl - ESPN

Here's some other random place talking about it...
Notre Dame Back in the BCS in 2011? | The Big Lead

 

[loomis41973]

You shut up.

 

[Sportster]

Feel the love.....

I like Brian Kelly. I'd rather not see him go. I thought for sure he'd turn this thing around. But the product speaks for itself. It speaks louder than I ever could. 5 turnovers a game....who thinks ANY coach anywhere could survive that kind of performance? He has time on his side yet. It's only his second year. But ND fans are rightly annoyed. Why? We've seen this year,after year, AFTER year, etc...etc....etc! It isn't the kind of patience that comes from, say a team like the Colts, who are spiraling down the ugly tunnel as fast as possible. Their fan base has a recent success story to sit back and enjoy, even though their team has gone in the toilet. ND? Well...where does the ugly start...Davie, Willingham, Weis...year after year of some horrible stuff to endure. There's been some successes and too many failures. So when you see some folks that are tired of it venting, let em vent! I think they've earned it after enduring so many years of crap play out of a top tiered program...

 

[irishff1014]

I still do believe that Kelly is the right coach for this team. He has the offense marching up and down the field like we haven't seen since the Quinn era with Fat boy when they couldn't stop anyone. No we can stop some teams if our guys would just hold on to the ball we are having two totally different conversations. Kelly understands that no matter if the players fail it is still his fault Some coaches wouldn't admitt to that. Hopefully this whole team walks around campus this week holding on the ball.

 

[guiness4everyone]

BK is a winner and has been at every school he's been at. Give him time to rebuild this program. Besides, who else is going to come here now? What big time coach would touch this program if we cut BK so fast? Patience! He's the right guy, allow him time.

 

[k1ssme1m1r1sh]

When was someone going to bring up the fact that aside from Ty, Kelly is the ONLY "coach" we've had since Lou. Davie and Weis had more success as co-ordinators than they ever did as coaches. Since Lou left, ND made POOR hiring choices, and considering those choices, BK is the right guy, the jackpot, the right fit, yall need to chill the hell out.
Where the hell was Alabama for 30yrs??? ND is not the first team to have a suck period.

 

[meowmix]

Where the hell was Alabama for 30yrs??? ND is not the first team to have a suck period.

This is so true. As soon as a team has success, the dead period they had is forgotten. Not just Alabama, this happened to Michigan, Texas, USC, and many other "powers". People just like to hate because we're ND. Hopefully, our future success make me forget the last 15+ years.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Kelly is the right coach. Live practices baby!
Live practice, weather set tone for Irish - College Football Nation Blog - ESPN

 

[guiness4everyone]

Aside from 2 poor quarters this year our defense has been very solid. We won the last 4 games of 2010, and should have won the first two games of 2011. We'd be sitting at 6-0 over the last 6 games if it weren't for turnovers and 2 bad quarters of defense. Then everyone would be cheering for coach Kelly. Fan bases are so fickle. You have to give a coach time to recruit, put his system in place, and utilize his players. Coach Kelly hasn't even had that luxury, and people are calling for his head! Our QB has only started 5 games! Rebuilding takes time, and patience, so adjust your expectations and realize there's going to be bumps in the road. In the end, I think you'll all be on his side. Coach Kelly will bring glory back to ND!!

 

[eNDzone]

Any ND coach that shoot for anything short of a BCS game should be fired on the spot. Low expectations never won a national championship. Wins start with a winning attitude. So shoot for the stars every year Coach Kelly and sometime soon the naysayers will be eating their words.

 

[irishfanjho15]

When was someone going to bring up the fact that aside from Ty, Kelly is the ONLY "coach" we've had since Lou. Davie and Weis had more success as co-ordinators than they ever did as coaches. Since Lou left, ND made POOR hiring choices, and considering those choices, BK is the right guy, the jackpot, the right fit, yall need to chill the hell out.
Where the hell was Alabama for 30yrs??? ND is not the first team to have a suck period.

I'm new here, but I think based on this statement I'm going to like it around here. Spot on.

 

[865IrishFan]

I'm also new here. Last Saturday I was out in Knoxville to watch the ND/Michigan game and I know for a fact that BK is the right guy because hearing all the cincy fans whine about him "backstabbing" them made me realize what all he has done as a coach. I was also on a division II school football team that played against Grand Valley State a few years ago and to see what he built their program to be is a fine indication that he is a success in all the programs that he has been apart of.

 

[eNDzone]

I'm also new here. Last Saturday I was out in Knoxville to watch the ND/Michigan game and I know for a fact that BK is the right guy because hearing all the cincy fans whine about him "backstabbing" them made me realize what all he has done as a coach. I was also on a division II school football team that played against Grand Valley State a few years ago and to see what he built their program to be is a fine indication that he is a success in all the programs that he has been apart of.

Welcome to IE. Keep on posting!