What's Next for Dayne Crist?

[FightingIrishLover7]

I know there's been a thousand new threads made, but I was hoping to discuss this matter concisely.

With Tommy being the newly announced starter (for the foreseeable future), What does this mean for Dayne Crist?

Is Dayne now the number 2, in case of injury to Rees?

Will he still get some snaps periodically throughout the year?

Or Has Kelly decided Dayne's days are numbered and that the young guns are the future?


Personally,
I beleive that Dayne should get the oppurtunity to play a meaningful amount of time again, perhaps an entire half of a manageable game. (ala Purdue week).

What's your thoughts?

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

If he's not a part of the future of this team, he should get no snaps, except for maybe mop up on Senior Day (if we ever have one that we win again).

Elevate Hendrix to number 2 and move on. Its terribly sad for Dayne, and I think we all feel for him.

Now, in reality, I'm guessing Kelly has him number 2. Seems counter productive to me, but whatever...

 

[irishff1014]

All Kelly said was that for this game he is going with Rees. If during the game he thinks Crist will be better for the offense then he will get put in game.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

I am a huge fan of Dayne and I think he is a great role model. I put a lot of vBucks on prop bets thinking he would be the starter throughout the season. However, I think we have seen the last of Dayne in a meaningful role. I just don't think it is in the cards for him.

If he does come back for a 5th year next year, I would see it more as a precursor to a G.A. role if coaching is the path he wants to take. I think he is a smart kid and he could be a good coach, but I have no idea if that is what he wants to do.

At the very least, he is going to leave ND very handsome and with an ND degree. There are worse situations he could be facing.

 

[TerryTate]

Whoever produces will be on the field.

 

[ErieIrish13]

To be honest, I see Dayne starting again sometime down the road. If Tommy isn't productive or gets hurt, Dayne will be the next man in and if he plays well, will land the starting job.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

Practice every week like he's the starter. Push Tommy as hard as he can so Tommy has no choice but to get better. Pull the young buck aside if he makes the wrong read in practice or games. Be ready to step in because he knows better than anybody it's a long season and crap can happen.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

Maybe the vBookie can put something together for how many games Dayne will start for the remainder of the season.

 

[bjohnmwc]

Practice every week like he's the starter. Push Tommy as hard as he can so Tommy has no choice but to get better. Pull the young buck aside if he makes the wrong read in practice or games. Be ready to step in because he knows better than anybody it's a long season and crap can happen.

Love this statement. Dayne seems like a quality guy. I feel for him, but I can't necessarily argue with Kelly's decision.

 

[phork]

At this point to me it looks like Tommy is the game manager. Not the prototypical skill set of a QB, but sees the field and can read it properly. While Dayne may have the physical attributes, he just doesn't get it.

 

[gspjeb]

Kelly has a history of alternating between qbs and I would not expect this to be much different. Crist and Rees will both play throughout the season I would imagine. Time will tell.

 

[loomis41973]

Red hat or pine splinters.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Red hat or pine splinters.

Actually, the first part is interesting...

Will Dayne take over Mulvey, as head play relayer?

 

[BabyIrish]

If he splits time with Rees all year, I have to imagine he wouldn't be brought back for a fifth year.

 

[Guyjin37]

I wasn't very keen on Rees last year and thought that our team won despite him, not because of him. I thought he looked like a kid out there among (much bigger) men.

But I think he has improved and matured a lot over the offseason and it's now evident to me:

- He is an accurate passer, much more so than Crist.
- He deals with pressure in a much better way than Crist, who folds under duress.
- He is a motivating presence to other players on the field, whereas Crist seems to be more of a neutral presence (or that he is playing among his teammates and not with them).
- His passes are much more catchable--even when he's threading the needle they don't seem to land with a thud in receivers' hands.
- His passes have much more oomph to them than they did last year. He actually seems to have a strong arm.
- He displays touch on the deep pass.
- He generally makes good decisions except for the occasional young mistake.
- He appears much stronger and less skinny. Looks more like a football player.
- He is smart on and off the field.
- He is more elusive than he gets credit for. Probably not the best choice to run a true run spread but he does not take many sacks.
- Has very good pocket presence for his experience and is another reason for not taking many sacks.
- He wants to be a leader. I liked seeing him slap shoulderpads and push other players around on the sideline before the start of the second half.
- He makes noticeable improvements each time he plays. He learns.

I think based on these observations that he has a higher ceiling than I thought he did last year. And more than anything I do think he gives us the best chance to win.

 

[NDMontana]

I know there's been a thousand new threads made, but I was hoping to discuss this matter concisely.

With Tommy being the newly announced starter (for the foreseeable future), What does this mean for Dayne Crist?

Is Dayne now the number 2, in case of injury to Rees?

Will he still get some snaps periodically throughout the year?

Or Has Kelly decided Dayne's days are numbered and that the young guns are the future?


Personally,
I beleive that Dayne should get the oppurtunity to play a meaningful amount of time again, perhaps an entire half of a manageable game. (ala Purdue week).

What's your thoughts?

I think the notion of putting him for mop up duty against Purdue is insulting as hell. I think he might be able to petition for a fifth year. Let him shop for a team that needs a starter and release him. That is the decent thing to do for a guy who committed when he was staring at three years on the bench as a real possibility and worked to come back from two injuries that may have ended the careers of many players.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I think the notion of putting him for mop up duty against Purdue is insulting as hell. I think he might be able to petition for a fifth year. Let him shop for a team that needs a starter and release him. That is the decent thing to do for a guy who committed when he was staring at three years on the bench as a real possibility and worked to come back from two injuries that may have ended the careers of many players.

That would be fine... We all have to keep in mind that Dayne wasn't recruited by BK and may not have the intangibles in his mind to run his offense. He's obviously a great kid, wonderful teammate and a physical speciman at the position, but ultimately, maybe Kelly just doesn't see a fit to what he's trying to do here.

It happens when coaching changes happen and you evolve from a pro set to a spread.

 

[NDMontana]

No questi

That would be fine... We all have to keep in mind that Dayne wasn't recruited by BK and may not have the intangibles in his mind to run his offense. He's obviously a great kid, wonderful teammate and a physical speciman at the position, but ultimately, maybe Kelly just doesn't see a fit to what he's trying to do here.

It happens when coaching changes happen and you evolve from a pro set to a spread

No question that this is the case with Crist, though is accuracy is a bit suspect. I figured he'd be okay in Coach
K's system given his athleticism but he either never developed or meshed with Coach K's coaching style.

 

[ulukinatme]

I feel for Crist, but I was in Tommy's corner from the start of the season. Tommy was impressive at the end of last season even though he practiced as the 2nd or 3rd string all year. He broke the string of losses against USC, as a freshman of all things in the Colliseum, and that was heavenly by itself. People will argue that he put us in bad positions in that game, but he also scored when we needed to. I think Crist is a good quarterback, and Saturday was not all his fault by any means, but he just didn't do enough with the time he had. A goose egg is still a goose egg, we need points.

 

[BurningRiver]

I feel terrible for Crist. By all accounts he is a great teammate and person and supposedly a great quarterback. But if Tommy can do to Michigan what he did in the 2nd half to USF, he without a doubt deserves to start for the rest of the year.

Unfortunately, if Rees starts the rest of the season, then I have to think Crist's career at Notre Dame would probably be over. The administration or whoever decides this won't be likely to grant Crist a 5th year if he is just going to sit on the bench (schollies would probably be put to better use elsewhere) and conversely if I were Crist I wouldn't stay for a 5th year if Tommy had the job locked up and Golson and Hendrix were the future; I'd probably look to transfer somewhere to see if I could get into the NFL draft conversation, because I really think he could be an NFL QB in the right system if he could become a little more accurate and make better decisions.

 

[Old Man Mike]

If one were trying to actually answer the original poster's question, then one would try to set one's own head aside as much as possible and try to see this through Kelly's eyes. That's tough to do, but it might sweep away some of our own irrelevant biases.

Kelly is concerned about winning the next football game. To do that, it is his judgement that Tommy run the team. What then might he think about Dayne?? IF he assesses Dayne as a good team player, then Kelly will see value in keeping his most experienced guy as number two, and Golson and Hendrix will remain in an unchanged status. This is the sort of conservative management strategy that any executive officer would choose [at least for the next game].

What, however, is Kelly thinking about the rest of the season and next year?? My guess is he has already thought about this a lot, and the Crist implosion has just sped that thinking up by a few games. What would the thought be?? The infamous "special package" for one of the young-uns comes into play I would assume. Anyone thinking about this "special package" must eventually come around to the thought that this is not just a stagnant concept, but rather a stepping stone to a larger and larger "package" for the chosen one. With Crist imploding, that expansion could well result in that package operator becoming #2 when the playbook has expanded enough.

Mindreading Kelly, [a dangerous occupation], leads me to see Dayne as #2 as long as Tommy produces, and gradually fading downward as the chosen young one grows into the offense as the future #2.

Kelly, though tough, also honors the veterans and will try to handle this slow demotion with class ans even give Dayne some reps when possible. [particularly senior day, and/or last home game].

 

[NDMontana]

If one were trying to actually answer the original poster's question, then one would try to set one's own head aside as much as possible and try to see this through Kelly's eyes. That's tough to do, but it might sweep away some of our own irrelevant biases.

Kelly is concerned about winning the next football game. To do that, it is his judgement that Tommy run the team. What then might he think about Dayne?? IF he assesses Dayne as a good team player, then Kelly will see value in keeping his most experienced guy as number two, and Golson and Hendrix will remain in an unchanged status. This is the sort of conservative management strategy that any executive officer would choose [at least for the next game].

What, however, is Kelly thinking about the rest of the season and next year?? My guess is he has already thought about this a lot, and the Crist implosion has just sped that thinking up by a few games. What would the thought be?? The infamous "special package" for one of the young-uns comes into play I would assume. Anyone thinking about this "special package" must eventually come around to the thought that this is not just a stagnant concept, but rather a stepping stone to a larger and larger "package" for the chosen one. With Crist imploding, that expansion could well result in that package operator becoming #2 when the playbook has expanded enough.

Mindreading Kelly, [a dangerous occupation], leads me to see Dayne as #2 as long as Tommy produces, and gradually fading downward as the chosen young one grows into the offense as the future #2.

Kelly, though tough, also honors the veterans and will try to handle this slow demotion with class ans even give Dayne some reps when possible. [particularly senior day, and/or last home game].

I think a lot of what you said was poignant but I keep coming back to this notion that it would be gratifying to give him some snaps in mop up situations or on a senior day. I'm sorry, Crist is not Rudy. He was highly recruited, has good tools and ability. He has been a starter. Giving a guy like that gratuitous playing time is not showing appreciation, it is kind of insulting.

 

[phork]

Kelly has a history of alternating between qbs and I would not expect this to be much different. Crist and Rees will both play throughout the season I would imagine. Time will tell.

Alternating QBs due to injury. I am sure he would rather have a sure fire starter.

 

[NDMontana]

Alternating QBs due to injury. I am sure he would rather have a sure fire starter.

If you have two quarterbacks, you don't have a quarterback.

 

[BGIF]

I think a lot of what you said was poignant but I keep coming back to this notion that it would be gratifying to give him some snaps in mop up situations or on a senior day. I'm sorry, Crist is not Rudy. He was highly recruited, has good tools and ability. He has been a starter. Giving a guy like that gratuitous playing time is not showing appreciation, it is kind of insulting.

Duval Kamara was highly recruited, has good tools and ability. He has been a starter. He also set records as a ND freshman. (Feel free to post Crist's records?) He got passed by younger players who produced on the field when he didn't. It would be insulting to the rest of the team and the sign of a poor coach to play the less effective player.

You make like Crist is the first player in the history of sports to have to take a seat to his former backup.

The best thing Crist can do is take what snaps he is given and excel with them.

 

[IrishMoore1]

If you have two quarterbacks, you don't have a quarterback.

No you don't have a quarterback. You have two quarterbacks...

 

[NDMontana]

Duval Kamara was highly recruited, has good tools and ability. He has been a starter. He also set records as a ND freshman. (Feel free to post Crist's records?) He got passed by younger players who produced on the field when he didn't. It would be insulting to the rest of the team and the sign of a poor coach to play the less effective player.

You make like Crist is the first player in the history of sports to have to take a seat to his former backup.

The best thing Crist can do is take what snaps he is given and excel with them.

Yeah, great. I don't feel bad for Crist so save the bull ****. I'm saying if you or anyone else would feel better about Crist getting some meaningless reps and think he, too, would feel better about then you're grabbing at straws.
I don't give a hoot in hell if walks on the field for ND or anyone else again. If I were the coach and he so desired, I would give him his release so that he might try to play one year elsewhere and I wouldn't insult him by asking him to go hand the ball off for the last twenty
seconds of a game that's been decided.

 

[irishtrain]

I am a huge fan of Dayne and I think he is a great role model. I put a lot of vBucks on prop bets thinking he would be the starter throughout the season. However, I think we have seen the last of Dayne in a meaningful role. I just don't think it is in the cards for him.

If he does come back for a 5th year next year, I would see it more as a precursor to a G.A. role if coaching is the path he wants to take. I think he is a smart kid and he could be a good coach, but I have no idea if that is what he wants to do.

At the very least, he is going to leave ND very handsome and with an ND degree. There are worse situations he could be facing.

Class,class,class and a guy who I bet asks to come back for his 5th year. He will want to help this program in any way and its always possible that way may be on the field and fullfilling his dream. Regroup my man and get yourself ready to help win games. A Notre Dame man-enough said.

 

[NDMontana]

No you don't have a quarterback. You have two quarterbacks...

No, if you don't have one player that you can confidently hand the ball to, than you don't have a quarterback.

 

[BGIF]

Yeah, great. I don't feel bad for Crist so save the bull ****. I'm saying if you or anyone else would feel better about Crist getting some meaningless reps and think he, too, would feel better about then you're grabbing at straws.
I don't give a hoot in hell if walks on the field for ND or anyone else again. If I were the coach and he so desired, I would give him his release so that he might try to play one year elsewhere and I wouldn't insult him by asking him to go hand the ball off for the last twenty
seconds of a game that's been decided.

Q.E.D.