Thought BK went too far yesterday

[koonja]

It's going to be funny to see how much time we wasted on this non-issue after we win the next two games and no one brings this up again. All will be right in the world then.

 

[johnnyoooo]

It got to the point with Hayes and Knight we knew what was coming and their fans and players stopped defending them. After watching Kelly go off on his players last year I am not surprised he cooked off Saturday. Hey you took note of his face so red flushed, eyes bulging out and the sreams and rants. Plain common sense observation tells us his emotions got ahead of his cogntiveness and his emotions took over for rational expression. He was emotionally over loaded before the player who goofed reached the sidelines. C'mon his body language was not telling us he was cool rational. Also we now know he does not react to players messing a play up as most coaches do. But we know he does act in the image of Hayes and Knight. So if you want to defend him well try to defend them too.

 

[50milesSE ND]

agreed, apparently alot of bored posters out there on labor day

 

[koonja]

It got to the point with Hayes and Knight we knew what was coming and their fans and players stopped defending them. After watching Kelly go off on his players last year I am not surprised he cooked off Saturday. Hey you took note of his face so red flushed, eyes bulging out and the sreams and rants. Plain common sense observation tells us his emotions got ahead of his cogntiveness and his emotions took over for rational expression. He was emotionally over loaded before the player who goofed reached the sidelines. C'mon his body language was not telling us he was cool rational. Also we now know he does not react to players messing a play up as most coaches do. But we know he does act in the image of Hayes and Knight. So if you want to defend him well try to defend them too.

No one's saying he's God, and he did get emotional. But he didn't cross the line where Knight did. I can't see how they can then be grouped together.

So when you're yelling at a player, is there a decibel level that's too far? Hell, while we're comparing apples to oranges to brazilian nuts, we might as well bring race into it. Is there a limit to how much your skin color can change? If there is, then black coaches have a huge advantage. Their skin won't change color!

 

[pkt77242]

It got to the point with Hayes and Knight we knew what was coming and their fans and players stopped defending them. After watching Kelly go off on his players last year I am not surprised he cooked off Saturday. Hey you took note of his face so red flushed, eyes bulging out and the sreams and rants. Plain common sense observation tells us his emotions got ahead of his cogntiveness and his emotions took over for rational expression. He was emotionally over loaded before the player who goofed reached the sidelines. C'mon his body language was not telling us he was cool rational. Also we now know he does not react to players messing a play up as most coaches do. But we know he does act in the image of Hayes and Knight. So if you want to defend him well try to defend them too.

Again I posted this yesterday but you don't seem to read other posts. Just because he is screaming and yelling (veins popping out and face turning red has nothing to do with how angry you are, some peoples veins pop out very easily some others never do) doesn't mean he let his emotions get out of control. None of us said he was cool and calm (**** he wasn't at a spa getting a massage). Damn skippy he was pissed but he had every right to be. Most likely he was looking for a specifc reaction from his players and was pushing to get them there. If it works it is called motivation.

 

[50milesSE ND]

GOIRISH41 must feel like a posting god since he has posted over a thousand times to my maybe 6

 

[pkt77242]

Johnnyoooo, here is the relevant post from yesterday that you obviously failed to read, that was a direct response to a comment you made.

Please tell me you aren't a psychologist?

Everyone responds to situations differently. Just because you might not be able to keep your cognitive ability about you when you get that angry doesn't mean he can't, in fact for all we know mabye he is mentally sharper when he is angry?

To give a good analogy that most of us can understand. Some people need to write a paper the night before it is due because they feed of the pressure of it being due the next day (and in fact they write better papers if they do it the night before because the pressure focuses their mind). We also know the people who need to write a paper days to weeks in advance because if they waited to the last minute they would crumble under the pressure and either not get it done or write a horrible paper.

Moral of the story is don't paint with such a wide brush and generalize.

 

[ARALOU]

Well, I feel compelled to clarify my view of this topic once more. First of all, I played football all through school until injury forced me to stop. I am not sure why that has anything to do with this topic but it seems that some folks feel it does. My thoughts are these, the emotion involved in big time college games run high. Yelling at players to perform is one thing. I have no problem with that. I just think he looked a little foolish doing it like he did. I even received a text from a fellow Irish fan that resides in Boston that said "I wonder if BK realizes how ridiculous he looks, he is blowing up!" I replied, I don't think he cares about how he looks, he wants them to play like he knows they can." That was early in the game. As the game went on and things got worse, he did too. I said before, even with all the mistakes, I never felt like they were out of the game. I just felt like it looked desperate and out of control. I don't compare him to Knight or Hayes, or Saban or Stoops for that matter. I will take others words on the fact that they (Stoops and Saban) show this type of behavior on the sidelines. I don't recall seeing it but I don't follow their teams like I do the Irish. If that is his style, so be it. I don't have to like it but it does not mean that I don't support it. As for Holtz and his face mask grabbing incident I recall him receiving some criticism for it. Still, to this day, I am a huge Holtz fan. This will likely be the last post I make on this topic. Even if the Irish would have won this game BK's actions would have at least "raised my eyebrow". Enough said.

 

[Veer option]

I have no problem with Kelly being over emotional with the teams mistakes. Kelly is a perfectionist and he demands his players to play at a high level.

 

[johnnyoooo]

Too Much Ranting

Too Much Ranting

Eventually Hayes and Knight with their emotional antics lost out. The excusing for them ran out with their continued out of control behavior. My point is Kelly can very well not only hurt himself but Notre Dame, the team and recruiting. Can he continue for the rest of the season going off out of control on ball players on national television without negatives building up I doubt it. Remind you he was into the behavior we witnessed Saturday all last year and it was clear apparent then. It was just he did have so many messed up plays in one game last year. But he has continued his rants and screams again so far this year. So let us see how he handles his emotions next week and the rest of the season. If he continues on with his present behavior then we know for sure we got a Woody Hayes-Bobby Knight issue on our hands.

 

[pkt77242]

Eventually Hayes and Knight with their emotional antics lost out. The excusing for them ran out with their continued out of control behavior. My point is Kelly can very well not only hurt himself but Notre Dame, the team and recruiting. Can he continue for the rest of the season going off out of control on ball players on national television without negatives building up I doubt it. Remind you he was into the behavior we witnessed Saturday all last year and it was clear apparent then. It was just he did have so many messed up plays in one game last year. But he has continued his rants and screams again so far this year. So let us see how he handles his emotions next week and the rest of the season. If he continues on with his present behavior then we know for sure we got a Woody Hayes-Bobby Knight issue on our hands.

Exactly, he demands that his players play at a high level and when they don't meet that expectation he chews their asses. I predict that his screaming and yelling will be directly proportional to our stupid mental mistakes.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Eventually Hayes and Knight with their emotional antics lost out. The excusing for them ran out with their continued out of control behavior. My point is Kelly can very well not only hurt himself but Notre Dame, the team and recruiting. Can he continue for the rest of the season going off out of control on ball players on national television without negatives building up I doubt it. Remind you he was into the behavior we witnessed Saturday all last year and it was clear apparent then. It was just he did have so many messed up plays in one game last year. But he has continued his rants and screams again so far this year. So let us see how he handles his emotions next week and the rest of the season. If he continues on with his present behavior then we know for sure we got a Woody Hayes-Bobby Knight issue on our hands.

Except that he doesn't throw chairs, or hit his players with a 3 piece combo. Lou Holtz yanked face masks. Saban loses it. BK is irish...his face gets red when he gets mad, when I get a little mad I turn red. When I flip out, I turn purple. My only worry about BK is that he is going to have a stroke, he won't flip out if his players execute basic fundamentals.

 

[WaveDomer]

Another part of having a tough coach, teacher, etc., is that leaders begin to appear. Look at how Rees dealt with Kelly. He ever tried to take blame off TJ. We will probably start to see more players taking ownership and leading this team, which is what's needed. BK knows it's needed. The guy has been a coach for decades. He's not new.

Leadership requires different actions in different environments. We are not in the locker room. We are not in the coach's office when Kelly talks to these kids. We see him yell on the sidelines. You can't define his demeanor from that.

And are you more worried about how it looks to people watching or if it's harmful?

 

[kmoose]

Eventually Hayes and Knight with their emotional antics lost out. The excusing for them ran out with their continued out of control behavior.

Well, Hayes coached for 28 years at OSU, Knight for 29 at Indiana. Both of them won multiple titles. Kelly is in his second year. So, 25 years (and a couple of NCs) from now, we'll just show him the door.

 

[NDinL.A.]

GOIRISH41 must feel like a posting god since he has posted over a thousand times to my maybe 6

Enough with the personal beef. Take it to PM or your stay here will be short. No one cares what is going on between you two. Thanks.

 

[irishff1014]

In case you all missed it If BK doesn't win he we be let go just like the other coaches. I think i would be pissed to if they players that are supposed to have talent went out there and acted like they were still playing high school football. And if Me and my other coaches tried to show and teach them how to play the game and they played like that.

 

[johnnyoooo]

I am sure both Woody Hayes and Knight thought their bug outs were proportional to the degree of their players messing up. But with all their tremendous successes they are justly defined as emotionally out of control coaches. Please Holtz did not have a consistant habit of losing it on the side line and cameras did not focus on him knowing an emotional antic is coming. Kelly had damn good reasons Saturday to be mad as hell , But to put on a out of control rant show chewing out players so harshly on national television is not a average coaches behavior. But again what really concerns me Kelly's behavior is a carry over from last year still ongoing. The sports media has picked up on it and camera crews now know to cue in on him. They sense as I do we may have another Woody Hayes or Knight on the way. So now to say hey let's drop the Kelly over rant issue is not going to make it go away. If he continues his rants for the rest of the season and I suspect too many in sports media would love that to sell more newspapers equating him with Hayes and Knght. But to repeat Kelly blowing off last year bothered me then so my focus is not just this past Saturday,

 

[enrico514]

I think most coach would have blown a fuse after the performance of the offense yesterday! Good knows I did!!! Some of those mistakes were inexcusable!

One last point... BK has always (at least at Cincinati) been like this on the sidelines. ND, players and the other coaches knew exactly what type of coach hé was.

 

[johnnyoooo]

Kelly's Temper

Kelly's Temper

If under google search you enter Coach Kelly's temper you will find a ton of articles about Kelly's temper rants. Now you know under Devine, Holtz, Weiss you would never find that topic. So let's not kid ourselves Kelly has a huge problem with anger management. So clearly the word is out about Kelly's troubles keeping his temper under control. Some one wrote he was like that at Cinn, too so it could mean he is into a Hayes-Knight continuing pattern which I truly hope not but suspect so.

 

[pkt77242]

If under google search you enter Coach Kelly's temper you will find a ton of articles about Kelly's temper rants. Now you know under Devine, Holtz, Weiss you would never find that topic. So let's not kid ourselves Kelly has a huge problem with anger management. So clearly the word is out about Kelly's troubles keeping his temper under control. Some one wrote he was like that at Cinn, too so it could mean he is into a Hayes-Knight continuing pattern which I truly hope not but suspect so.

Cause the internet wasn't arounnd for the first 2 (well at least not for much of Holtz's reign) and Weis just looked lost on the field, sorry give me Kelly the yeller over the Weis "what the hell am I doing" look.

 

[anarin]

Well, I feel compelled to clarify my view of this topic once more. First of all, I played football all through school until injury forced me to stop. I am not sure why that has anything to do with this topic but it seems that some folks feel it does. My thoughts are these, the emotion involved in big time college games run high. Yelling at players to perform is one thing. I have no problem with that. I just think he looked a little foolish doing it like he did. I even received a text from a fellow Irish fan that resides in Boston that said "I wonder if BK realizes how ridiculous he looks, he is blowing up!" I replied, I don't think he cares about how he looks, he wants them to play like he knows they can." That was early in the game. As the game went on and things got worse, he did too. I said before, even with all the mistakes, I never felt like they were out of the game. I just felt like it looked desperate and out of control. I don't compare him to Knight or Hayes, or Saban or Stoops for that matter. I will take others words on the fact that they (Stoops and Saban) show this type of behavior on the sidelines. I don't recall seeing it but I don't follow their teams like I do the Irish. If that is his style, so be it. I don't have to like it but it does not mean that I don't support it. As for Holtz and his face mask grabbing incident I recall him receiving some criticism for it. Still, to this day, I am a huge Holtz fan. This will likely be the last post I make on this topic. Even if the Irish would have won this game BK's actions would have at least "raised my eyebrow". Enough said.

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[pkt77242]

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Perfection

 

[anarin]

If under google search you enter Coach Kelly's temper you will find a ton of articles about Kelly's temper rants. Now you know under Devine, Holtz, Weiss you would never find that topic. So let's not kid ourselves Kelly has a huge problem with anger management. So clearly the word is out about Kelly's troubles keeping his temper under control. Some one wrote he was like that at Cinn, too so it could mean he is into a Hayes-Knight continuing pattern which I truly hope not but suspect so.

Over the years, line between tough and abusive coach has changed

It seems so contrary to the avuncular image that has made him a television star, but before Lou Holtz was an old coach, he was an old-school coach. "I grabbed a face mask on a player," Holtz said in January, "because I wanted to make sure I had his undivided attention."

On Sept. 21, 1991, NBC cameras captured Holtz, then the coach at Notre Dame, leading freshman Huntley Bakich off the field by his face mask. Holtz then blasted Bakich on the sideline for fighting with a Michigan State player after a play had concluded. Today, a coach at such a high-profile school yanking a player off the field by his face mask would earn wall-to-wall coverage on every media platform, a review by the university and certain disciplinary action against the coach. In fact, there is a high probability such an act would result in the coach's firing.

What happened 19 years ago? The Chicago Tribune addressed the incident in its Sept. 23 edition in a three-paragraph note at the bottom of a Notre Dame football story on page C-14. A follow-up came two days later in the form of a two-paragraph note at the bottom of a college football roundup on page C-7 that covered Holtz's apology.

Even though Holtz tried to keep Bakich from breaking the rules of the game, he knows his actions would have dominated the headlines and possibly cost him his job today.

"I probably shouldn't have done that, but things were different," Holtz said. "Society's different."

Sooo true, society is different now. We have stupid threads that span 16 pages on a coach blowing up on a player...

 

[WaveDomer]

And the point about the Internet is spot on. Not only the Internet but 24/7 media. Everything today is blown up to ridiculous proportions. Every political gaffe is treated like the end of a career. We know everything that celebrities do. We even see normal people falling on ice or doing boneheaded things on "Fail Blog" or the "Darwin Awards." People need to be people.

 

[ohara831]

Everyone fan has a right to voice displeasure with the way BK acted on the sidelines, or support him if they like. To each his own. But I know the way this team played Saturday and with the mistakes they were making, I absolutely support him. They needed to be chewed out, needed to be blasted, and every player should know that his starting job is not to be taken for granted because if you play with your head up your a$$, you wont be playing for long. Some of the more vocal team leaders should have addressed all the players after the game, making sure every player on that team knows that what happened Saturday is not acceptable and cannot happen again.

 

[NDinL.A.]

If under google search you enter Coach Kelly's temper you will find a ton of articles about Kelly's temper rants. Now you know under Devine, Holtz, Weiss you would never find that topic. So let's not kid ourselves Kelly has a huge problem with anger management. So clearly the word is out about Kelly's troubles keeping his temper under control. Some one wrote he was like that at Cinn, too so it could mean he is into a Hayes-Knight continuing pattern which I truly hope not but suspect so.

That's such bullsh!t! A ton? Show me even 3 articles on his temper (I doubt you'll even find one). I hate to tell you this johnny, but USC and Michigan message board posts aren't articles, they are guys like you and I bitching about stuff they know nothing about.

And who gives a rat's arse what other teams think about Kelly? If he wins, he's fine. If he loses, he's out. VERY SIMPLE.

After the posts on Hurricane Irene in which you continually posted your thoughts on 7 consecutive posts within 8 minutes of each other, and then even though you agreed to stop doing that you continued to do so (you guys have no idea how many posts of his had to be deleted...I'm talking at least 20), I'm starting to smell some troll in ya. And it has nothing to do with thinking that BK shouldn't yell at his players ( alot of you think he shouldn't yell, and while I disagree, it's all good), it's with your other ridiculous assertions. And you even spell "Weiss" the way a troll would.

What is with people today?

 

[BGIF]

If under google search you enter Coach Kelly's temper you will find a ton of articles about Kelly's temper rants. Now you know under Devine, Holtz, Weiss you would never find that topic. So let's not kid ourselves Kelly has a huge problem with anger management. So clearly the word is out about Kelly's troubles keeping his temper under control. Some one wrote he was like that at Cinn, too so it could mean he is into a Hayes-Knight continuing pattern which I truly hope not but suspect so.

I just googled "Coach Kelly's temper" and got this thread as the number one hit.

"Tons of articles" - NO, there weren't.

You're trolling johnny.

BTW, learn how to spell the names of ND coaches.

You've got yourself another neg rep.

 

[DuffHouse12]

"waaaa the coach yelled at me mommy "

good, get out. this team is for winners. this is not a game for feelings. you want happy happy joy joy? go join the yearbook club. this is football. this is a man's game. you gonna cry when a linebacker lights you up from the blind side? no. you gonna say "that linebacker hits too hard" or are you gonna chew out the man that missed the block.

there is one correct answer, and if you get it wrong, yearbook club is that-a-way ------------>

 

[BeauBenken]

Can we just take down this thread already?

I'm certain it doesn't make IE look that great to anyone that reads it.

 

[kmoose]

If under google search you enter Coach Kelly's temper you will find a ton of articles about Kelly's temper rants.

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