Thought BK went too far yesterday

[LoveNDFootball]

I agree that BK went too far.

IMO, it was BK who lost his composure, not Crist. BK abandoned the running/short passing game which was working well for a passing offense which Crist cannot do.

 

[BurningRiver]

I love Kelly's fire and the fact that he will not put up with mental errors, but I think he goes too far sometimes. I'm sure Crist felt terrible after that INT. I'm sure he knew exactly what he did wrong. I'm sure he's prepared to hear about it all week. I'm sure TJ felt stupid after the pass went off his helmet. But Kelly doesn't have to red-in-the-face-scream at them in front of a national TV audience. I'm not saying the kids can't handle it, but if you're going to yell at them, yell at them by the bench or something. I wouldn't be surprised if Kelly's tirade against Crist was one of the reasons Crist was so awful and seemed to be pressing the rest of the half.

I love Kelly, but sometimes he needs to cool it during games.

During practice is a different story though. I hope he tears into the team all week during practice. 5 TOs is unacceptable

 

[jonesman]

Guys,
I am a HUGE Kelly supporter, but yesterday he lost some of my respect. The fact that announcers, ND chat boards, ESPN and other team boards are talking precisely about this subject tells you that Kelly crossed over.

There should never be a discussion on a board that is pertaining to whether your coach is crossing the line. The coaches outbursts should not be making natinoal news.

Tell me another coach, successful one, that is blowing up like this today??? Don't give me Holtz, he has been out of ND for 20 years. Further, outside the face mask deal, I remember him many times pulliing a guy aside and having a DISCUSSION when mistakes were being made.

I still believe Kelly is the right guy, but he needs to get a grip on some of his emotions.

 

[kmoose]

I get frustrated with my employees at work all the time. These are grown men and women who sometimes do not live up to my expectations. If I went off on like Kelly does on his players, I'd get fired on the spot.
I'm a huge Kelly fan, but this is one aspect of him that I do not like at all.

Apples and oranges. The football field may have a few similarities to the business world, but they are VERY few.

 

[IrishBoy]

I agree that BK went too far.

IMO, it was BK who lost his composure, not Crist. BK abandoned the running/short passing game which was working well for a passing offense which Crist cannot do.

I agree. Kelly needs to control his emotion. It's gotten out of hand. Yelling is one thing, but his face turning red is another thing. I have seen Holtz yelling at his players, but not too often like Kelly did last night game.

Crist needs some time to get his game together. I think Kelly gave up Crist too early. When Clausen played in 2007 as freshman under Weis, I wasn't sure if he should be the quarterback at that time. He did not make good plays and had many sacks. One year later, Clausen got better and beyond. Kelly needs to stick with Crist. He can't keep switching his quarterback. It seems Kelly likes to throw in the middle, not downfield which was often under Weis.

 

[Carlyle Javar Holiday]

Kelly may have used the F bomb more than me yesterday. lol

But seriously, he is not going to change how he coaches just because of what people say about him on message boards.

 

[WabashFalcon]

It's football.



It. Is. Football.

 

[Anchorman]

Kelly may have used the F bomb more than me yesterday. lol

But seriously, he is not going to change how he coaches just because of what people say about him on message boards.

No, but he might if alumni/boosters/fans/public end up giving Swarbrick crap about it.

 

[IrishBoy]

Kelly may have used the F bomb more than me yesterday. lol

But seriously, he is not going to change how he coaches just because of what people say about him on message boards.

That's true. He won't change. I heard he did the same thing at Cincinnati. I remember Kelly telling one of his players on the sideline, "Stop crying" and I didn't catch who that was.

 

[ryno 24]

the people that said Kelly crossed the line how many of you have actually played football?

Just some food for thought

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

You guys are sensitive. I have no problem with Kelly--I want a tough team, and if that means breaking a guy or two, so be it. You don't have to agree with me, and I don't care if you do or don't. I have seen worse in high school at practice.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

Saban
Saban gives McCarron an ear full - YouTube
Anthony Dixon runs for nine, Nick Saban loses it - YouTube
Coach Saban Makes Manuel Wright Cry (2005) - YouTube
Pelini
Taylor Martinez gets chewed out by his coach Bo Pelini! - YouTube
Bo Pelini Not Happy - YouTube
Paterno
Joe Paterno Yellling - YouTube

 

[Carlyle Javar Holiday]

No, but he might if alumni/boosters/fans/public end up giving Swarbrick crap about it.

I disagree. So long as he wins, I doubt anyone will give anybody crap about Kelly yelling on the sidelines.

 

[#1irishfan]

IrishSteelhead: You needn't apologize for your insight. It's Kelly who needs to apologize to his players for his moronic outbursts, done repeatedly throughout the game. You don't see championship coaches react like that in front of 30-50 million people. That's not leadership in any sense of the word. And if it matters, I too spent 25 years in the Navy and was a Captain and Commanding Officer. You can correct and get the results you want without lambasting "your" troops.

If a team is of championship caliber I would say your right in that the coach doesn't yell like that... But that's probably because they are playing championship caliber football!?

 

[BeauBenken]

Kelly was just looking for the team to give him SOMETHING.

3 turnovers inside the 5, that's all that needs to be said.

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

Just to be clear, I am in no way calling for his job, nor even questioning his 'squares and o's" (play calling)...I think I speak for most people on that. But everyone needs to evaluate/ be evaluated. I would never sir here and try to say I know more than him. Just a suggestion that I know he will not read, but one with enough substance that I know he's heard it from somewhere regarding yesterdays game. Like I said it will be interesting to see if he addresses the topic, and if so what he will have to say.

 

[BeauBenken]

Here's a question: Who thinks TJ will get hit in the side of the helmet again because he isn't looking for the pass?

 

[enrico514]

I haven't watch the game game a second time yet but if I recall correctly, it was almost inexcusable errors by D1 scholorship athletes that caused BK to blow up. Not the other way around. A high school QB doesn't make the error Christ made in the end zone. A high school WR doesn't make the error TJ made in the red zone. And there are tons of other examples.

I played high level competitive sports and I never had a quality coach that didn't expect the best from us and that didn't blow a gasket periodically. I was actually more scared for BK's health yesterday. I would have appreciated his reaction (to a degree) as a player. A number of our guys made really BAD mistakes yesterday. BK yelled at them (it's good to let athletes know they F'ed up) but also put them back out there again and that's a usually a huge positive for most athletes (coach knows I F'ed up, he let me have it because he knows I am better than that but he has confidence in me). I say most because there are exceptions and Christ may be one of them. He seems way too tense out there and may benefit from outside help at this point.

 

[notredomer23]

Bunch of nancies

 

[NDMontana]

When I played in high school and on into lower level college, I did not want a high five or a pat on the *** everytime I did something good. Conversely, when I did something incorrect, nine times out of ten, I knew it mid-play--I did not need to be berated on the sideline. Coached up? Sure. Undressed? No.
Coaches do, on occasion, yell at players but it often ends with a pat on the ***. Kelly just rips these guys apart and then goes over and does it some more. The only guy who does not look like a beat dog is Rees. I have read ad naseum today that Crist has no confidence....no kidding? I wonder why.
I abhor the way kids in sports today feel entitled. I hate the parents who call coaches at home to tell the coach that their lazy kid who doesn't lift or practice hard deserves to start. In high school parents even get coaches fired for not hugging their kids enough (or hugging too much...ahem).
That being said, kids are the way they are and Kelly needs to adjust a little or he isn't going to make it, especially at ND because intelligent people, especially, do not appreciate being derided (maybe that works at Florida and USC). Plus, even though it was a running joke that Weis was a heart attack waiting to happen, Kelly seems a more viable candidate to me. Seriously, if there is anything to the theory that your heart only has so many beats in life, I would say Kelly depleted half of allotment yesterday.

 

[MDewFiend]

[/QUOTE]It's Kelly who needs to apologize to his players for his moronic outbursts, done repeatedly throughout the game. You don't see championship coaches react like that in front of 30-50 million people. [/QUOTE]

You don't see players on championship teams make absolutely deplorable mistakes that we did. Some of those mistakes would not be made by high school ball players. How do you not even look for a pass when running a route? So many extremely stooopid mistakes that even a calm cap'n like yourself woulda blown a gasket, well at lest my army leaders would have. Mayb yall seamen wouldn't.Players play led to Kellys reaction, Kellys reaction didn't led to the players play.

 

[blue in ohio]

I can't help wondering if history is repeating itself over there at ND. At Michigan we did the same thing going and getting a coach who won big in the big east. Yesterday and last season I saw many of the same things I saw with RR. The yelling, ranting and raving combined with a high amount of turnovers. Through RR's entire tenure we averaged 3-5 turnovers per game it was just terrible. I hope Michigan doesn't take you lightly. You are a much better team than yesterday's final score. In ten tries you beat the bulls 8 times. Yesterday just happened to be one of the two times.

 

[johnnyoooo]

One thing I learned as a father sons especially build up a tolerance to Mom yelling and disciplining them and start shruging her off. So then Dad steps in with his sterness and shapes his boys up. I wonder if Kelly's players will get sick and tired of being screamed at and this click shrug him off. Moms can only yell at the kids so much before they read that as simply a broken record. To excuse Kelly by mentioning Lou Holtz or Woody Hayes screaming or berating players does not let him off the hook they were wrong then too. Can we really excuse Woody Hayes or Bobby Knight's long term hot tempered behavior. Of course not nor Kelly's behavior either.

 

[Carlyle Javar Holiday]

Everyone needs to calm down. He yelled at his players, so what. Heaven forbid a person instill some discipline in on a kid. It worked for the military for hundreds of years, why would it not be the same for football?

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

"Rogers Hornsby was my manager, and he called me a talking pile of pigshit. And that was when my parents drove all the way down from Michigan to see me play the game. And did I cry?"

 

[irishfan1122]

You are wrong

You are wrong

You are the problem with America. You are probably the one handing out participation trophies to kids on teams who finished 8th in your local Pop Warner football league. BK's job at ND is to win football games, not be the players' #1 cheerleader or best friend. You are right, South Bend isn't West Point, Annapolis, or Colorado Springs. Those are places where mentally strong men and women are, who are giving up everything to serve their county.

BK's actions are fine. This is football, not soccer. Like another poster said previously, if you can't take the heat of playing at Notre Dame, go somewhere else. Clearly, this is what Shaq Evans, and Joseph Fauria did, by choosing UCLA. Let's be honest, no one really cares if you win or lose there, just give the alums something to do before basketball starts.

At some point in time (Hopefully in the near future), society will begin punishing people for their mistakes. Until that happens, I'm sure you'll be on the sidelines ready to give TJ and Theo some fruit snacks and HI-C after their litany of mistakes.

BTW, do you really think Saban, D'Antonio, The Ole' Ball Coach, Sark, Mike Gundy, Bo Pelini, or Bobby Petrino don't lay in to their players?

Bo Pelini Not Happy - YouTube

There is pulling your kids aside and having a discussion with them. Then there is what happened yesterday. IMO too far. This is not the Navy, Army or any other academy. If you don't think this has negative effects on recruiting I think you are making a grievous error. Lou Holtz pulling facemasks and Woody Hayes decking people are relics of the past.

 

[blue in ohio]

One thing I learned as a father sons especially build up a tolerance to Mom yelling and disciplining them and start shruging her off. So then Dad steps in with his sterness and shapes his boys up. I wonder if Kelly's players will get sick and tired of being screamed at and this click shrug him off. Moms can only yell at the kids so much before they read that as simply a broken record. To excuse Kelly by mentioning Lou Holtz or Woody Hayes screaming or berating players does not let him off the hook they were wrong then too. Can we really excuse Woody Hayes or Bobby Knight's long term hot tempered behavior. Of course not nor Kelly's behavior either.

There's a big difference between Hayes, Holtz and Kelly right now. The ND team is in the process of finding an identity whereas the Ohio and Holtz teams of the past already knew they were winners. I don't see how the angry tirades on the players do anything productive at this stage in the game. In RR's first year at Michigan the offense just imploded with every angry outburst along with the rest of the team. The players just got too nervous. This lead to mass attrition and past and present players not supporting the new coach which lead to failure on the recruiting trail and complete disaster. I agree with you guys thinking that this needs to stop.

 

[Carlyle Javar Holiday]

You are the problem with America. You are probably the one handing out participation trophies to kids on teams who finished 8th in your local Pop Warner football league. BK's job at ND is to win football games, not be the players' #1 cheerleader or best friend. You are right, South Bend isn't West Point, Annapolis, or Colorado Springs. Those are places where mentally strong men and women are, who are giving up everything to serve their county.

BK's actions are fine. This is football, not soccer. Like another poster said previously, if you can't take the heat of playing at Notre Dame, go somewhere else. Clearly, this is what Shaq Evans, and Joseph Fauria did, by choosing UCLA. Let's be honest, no one really cares if you win or lose there, just give the alums something to do before basketball starts.

At some point in time (Hopefully in the near future), society will begin punishing people for their mistakes. Until that happens, I'm sure you'll be on the sidelines ready to give TJ and Theo some fruit snacks and HI-C after their litany of mistakes.

BTW, do you really think Saban, D'Antonio, The Ole' Ball Coach, Sark, Mike Gundy, Bo Pelini, or Bobby Petrino don't lay in to their players?

Bo Pelini Not Happy - YouTube

Actually Neuhiesal lays into his players just as bad as BK, especially the QB.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

Because we all saw what Kelly said to those players after the game, and when the cameras weren't on them, and before they went into the game on the next series........

With the exception of the QB, all of those individuals got the opportunity to go back in the game and right their wrongs. And Dayne had multiple chances throughout the first half. Based on how last season went and what we already know, the cameras are keying on Kelly for a reaction.

None of these players are consciously thinking that NBC cameras are fixated on them when they trot off the field. I see no face mask tugging, choking, shoving, nose-to-nose contact....

I mean really, no disrespect, but that type of knee jerk thought process is what puts our head coaches on the hot seat faster than any school in the country.

 

[RyCo1983]

the people that said Kelly crossed the line how many of you have actually played football?

Just some food for thought

*Raises Hand*
I played for a coach that yelled half as much as Kelly and it was innefective...but he was innefective as a whole...when he lost his position and the Dbacks coach took over the HC job there was a complete turnaround.


I'm all for yelling! It is warranted. But there is a line.
I was worried about BK's heart yesterday...He looked ready to burst. Mark Dantonio style.