ND vs USC 2010 replay

[tommyIRISH23]

Charlie is a great offensive coach. He was not good in a lot of other areas, and that is why he ultimately failed at ND. But the guy can flat-out design and call plays. Period. I think UF is in great hands, unfortunately.

He was predictable, and habitual. He did a lot of just throwing it long, and hoping Golden Tate or MF would come down with it. He loved crossing patterns, and our run game was abysmal. Like BK said when he got here, MF was messy when he got there. He was not polished at running routes. CW used his athletes, and could not adapt to save his life.

 

[KPENN]

In the defense of Tommy Rees, what freshman would have done better in the same circumstances? Does anyone remember Jimmy's freshmen year and his interceptions..fumbles.

What's scarey is the stats of Dayne and Tommy are similar. Im not sure where all this faith in Dayne is coming from, hes got his own issues that need to be resolved.

I am more worried now then I was at 11:30

Crist was basically a freshman. His first year starting and he had to make the adjustment from the pro style to the spread, where Tommy played in the spread in high school.

Crist also played where the defense was crap and the run game was non existent.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Rees being a great leader doesn't make sense because he isn't leading the defense which won the last games. Besides the bowl game, Rees just wasn't very good. It's the fact that Manti Te'o, Harrison Smith, Gary Gray, Prince Shembo, Darius Fleming, and all of the defensive players just were phenoms in November.

And I'm still Andrew Hendrix's number one fan. I think he could be a Tebow-like player for us.

He has never played a down, Im more comfortable with Rees then Hendrix.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Crist was basically a freshman. His first year starting and he had to make the adjustment from the pro style to the spread, where Tommy played in the spread in high school.

Crist also played where the defense was crap and the run game was non existent.

Youre right, but he still did not do anything to make me overly optimistic. Hes got the tools to be great, but he has got a long way to go, and has got to prove he can win

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

A ND play got Dirty Harry'd on that punt. OUCH!

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

The 2007 offense and 2010 offenses were way different. Jimmy didn't have a Michael Floyd, a good offensive line, or a Cierre Wood-Robert Hughes combo. The 2007 offense was the worst in ND history. 2010 was above average.

 

[KPENN]

Youre right, but he still did not do anything to make me overly optimistic. Hes got the tools to be great, but he has got a long way to go, and has got to prove he can win

Not saying he doesn't, but even with his inconsistenty the offense was a lot better then when Rees was the QB

 

[kmoose]

He was predictable, and habitual. He did a lot of just throwing it long, and hoping Golden Tate or MF would come down with it. He loved crossing patterns, and our run game was abysmal. Like BK said when he got here, MF was messy when he got there. He was not polished at running routes. CW used his athletes, and could not adapt to save his life.

He was predictable and habitual because he only had a few athletes he could really count on. Let's quit pretending that Weis had All-Americans all over the field, and just refused to utilize them.

 

[Rhode Irish]

He was predictable, and habitual. He did a lot of just throwing it long, and hoping Golden Tate or MF would come down with it. He loved crossing patterns, and our run game was abysmal. Like BK said when he got here, MF was messy when he got there. He was not polished at running routes. CW used his athletes, and could not adapt to save his life.

I mean....he was really a big fan of calling plays that had the best chance of working, if that is what you mean. Our run game was brutal because he did not do a good job recruiting and developing O-lineman. Floyd's routes were sloppy because he did not do a good job teaching his players. None of that takes away from the fact that he designed what is now the best offense in the NFL, and his "predictable, habitual" play calling made Brady Quinn into a first round draft pick and his throwing it long made a superstar receiver out of a relief pitcher.

If you don't believe me, just watch Florida over the next few years and see how they do.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Never has there been a worse waste of space and oxygen than Shelley Smith.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Never has there been a worse waste of space and oxygen than Shelley Smith.

She is looking rough....

 

[military_irish]

Never has there been a worse waste of space and oxygen than Shelley Smith.

What about a black hole, it kind of just takes everything and destroys it? Wait never mind maybe you are right.

 

[KPENN]

Never has there been a worse waste of space and oxygen than Shelley Smith.

You mean you don't find this attractive????

 

[tommyIRISH23]

He was predictable and habitual because he only had a few athletes he could really count on. Let's quit pretending that Weis had All-Americans all over the field, and just refused to utilize them.

He coached for 5 years, why didn't he have any athletes? I am not saying he was not a good OC but he needs other people to put the pieces in place for him to be successful. So he can draw plays, but does not know what he needs to make them work?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

What about a black hole, it kind of just takes everything and destroys it? Wait never mind maybe you are right.

I call shenanigans... There's no buffet within 50 feet of her. All is well.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Maybe Tommy is color blind?

 

[Riddickulous]

He was predictable, and habitual. He did a lot of just throwing it long, and hoping Golden Tate or MF would come down with it. He loved crossing patterns, and our run game was abysmal. Like BK said when he got here, MF was messy when he got there. He was not polished at running routes. CW used his athletes, and could not adapt to save his life.

This.

I mean....he was really a big fan of calling plays that had the best chance of working, if that is what you mean. Our run game was brutal because he did not do a good job recruiting and developing O-lineman. Floyd's routes were sloppy because he did not do a good job teaching his players. None of that takes away from the fact that he designed what is now the best offense in the NFL, and his "predictable, habitual" play calling made Brady Quinn into a first round draft pick and his throwing it long made a superstar receiver out of a relief pitcher.

If you don't believe me, just watch Florida over the next few years and see how they do.

Weis recruited OL. He had five OL in the 2006 class, all rated 4* or higher.

Brady Quinn has been a terrible NFL QB, and a terrible example as to Weis' QB developing abilities. The "He just didn't play in the right system" bullshit that ND fans like to spew is worthless. As a fourth year NFL QB, Quinn failed to beat out Tim Tebow for a starting job. Tim Tebow the rookie. Tim Tebow, he of the atrocious mechanics.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

You mean you don't find this attractive????

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I mean....he was really a big fan of calling plays that had the best chance of working, if that is what you mean. Our run game was brutal because he did not do a good job recruiting and developing O-lineman. Floyd's routes were sloppy because he did not do a good job teaching his players. None of that takes away from the fact that he designed what is now the best offense in the NFL, and his "predictable, habitual" play calling made Brady Quinn into a first round draft pick and his throwing it long made a superstar receiver out of a relief pitcher.

If you don't believe me, just watch Florida over the next few years and see how they do.

Yes, he coached the best offense ND ever had, and could not do a thing against good defenses. He also coached, arguably, the worst offense in ND history. Ill concede he is good with a pen and paper, but anything after that, he falls wayyyy short.


Florida will come nowhere near what they were with Urban Meyer. Theyll win 9 to 10 games a year, and never win the SECe. SEC defenses will give Weis fits because he can't adapt.

 

[calvegas04]

Wow ND DL is just owning sc's OL... if that stays the same this year we win again.... Hope the staff has this game high on their list

 

[Rhode Irish]

This.



Weis recruited OL. He had five OL in the 2006 class, all rated 4* or higher.

Brady Quinn has been a terrible NFL QB, and a terrible example as to Weis' QB developing abilities. The "He just didn't play in the right system" bullshit that ND fans like to spew is worthless. As a fourth year NFL QB, Quinn failed to beat out Tim Tebow for a starting job. Tim Tebow the rookie. Tim Tebow, he of the atrocious mechanics.

Everything you said here makes my point perfectly. To the extent that he did recruit OL, he certainly didn't develop them. And the fact that Quinn turned out to be not that good only helps my argument that his relative success was due to CW's play calling/scheming. I'm not saying he is great at "developing" quarterbacks (and honestly, re-reading my post it seems obvious that I was saying the exact opposite), I'm saying he is as good as it gets at designing and calling an offense.

 

[koonja]

Everything you said here makes my point perfectly. To the extent that he did recruit OL, he certainly didn't develop them. And the fact that Quinn turned out to be not that good only helps my argument that his relative success was due to CW's play calling/scheming. I'm not saying he is great at "developing" quarterbacks (and honestly, re-reading my post it seems obvious that I was saying the exact opposite), I'm saying he is as good as it gets at designing and calling an offense.

CW is an excellent OC.... Note , the Patriots when he was there, and the Chiefs turn-around this last year.

 

[KPENN]

Time for Robert Hughes beast mode

 

[Rhode Irish]

Yes, he coached the best offense ND ever had, and could not do a thing against good defenses. He also coached, arguably, the worst offense in ND history. Ill concede he is good with a pen and paper, but anything after that, he falls wayyyy short.


Florida will come nowhere near what they were with Urban Meyer. Theyll win 9 to 10 games a year, and never win the SECe. SEC defenses will give Weis fits because he can't adapt.

Yup. Weis has definitely never beaten a defense better than what he will see in the SEC this year...(other than all of those NFL defenses he dismantled on the way to three Super Bowls with one great offensive player at his disposal).

Look, it doesn't matter how many games Florida wins or where they finish in the standings. I'm not arguing that Muschamp is a great coach. I'm saying Florida's offense will good.

 

[military_irish]

Considering Wood had both hands on the ball and still fumbled. Have to think the weather had something to do with that one fumble.

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

Time for Gallipo to take a ride.

 

[Riddickulous]

Considering Wood had both hands on the ball and still fumbled. Have to think the weather had something to do with that one fumble.

The SC defender clearly tore the ball from his hands.

 

[GBdomer]

Gallipo one of the most over rated recruits i can remember in a while.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

Everything you said here makes my point perfectly. To the extent that he did recruit OL, he certainly didn't develop them. And the fact that Quinn turned out to be not that good only helps my argument that his relative success was due to CW's play calling/scheming. I'm not saying he is great at "developing" quarterbacks (and honestly, re-reading my post it seems obvious that I was saying the exact opposite), I'm saying he is as good as it gets at designing and calling an offense.

Calling offensive plays? Eh..I don't know. I can remember getting furious, and wondering what he was thinking. Weis was good a creating mismatches on the field, but that pretty easy when you have the size of MF, and the speed of Golden Tate. He was good a drawing, but he was mediocre at calling plays, and terrible at everything else that encompasses what a coach is supposed to be.

If he was so could a drawing, and executing his vision, why was our veteran offensive line loaded with 4-5 star talent, terrible, and lost? I dunno...we can agree to disagree I guess.

 

[military_irish]

The SC defender clearly tore the ball from his hands.

How could I be so dumb I clearly missed that, sorry.